Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

The atrocity that was the Landry Fields signing was enough for me - I don't know what the heck Colangelo was thinking there giving him 19 mil. And I've been a believer in Colangelo, but there was no justification for that move. None whatsoever.

[Pusha-T]

[You might wanna invest in a bulldozer, shoveling all that sht must get mighty tiring by hand.

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

So you are saying we should just embrace BC's losing formula?? Do you have proof it will be worse without him. Because quite frankly I don't see the same value you do.

If we are that hopeless lets just pay a student minimum wage. For the millions he makes to put a product on the court. He has not earned his keep. I cannot say whether then next guy can do better or worse. Odds are they cant do much worse.

I don't think that's fair. The next guy can always do worse.

He's tried different things to better the team.

araujo for humphries ..brought in potentials like TJ ford, Jarret Jack ...delfino for second round pics...brought in JO, who was a big name at the time...brought in marion...hedo was also a big name, after his playoff run ..found guys like amir, weems who turned out to be decent .....

If you think a student could pull off some of these moves , then i don't even know what to say.

[Raps in 4]

I would take a middle of the road approach. I do think that he needs to be fired, or more realistically just allowed to walk at the end of his contract this year. The board can block any deals that it feels are quick fix sell the youth to save his job type deals, so I am not worried about that.

The truth is that the next step cannot be taken with him at the helm.

That said I think that he will have left a decent part of a foundation for the next GM to take that step. Yes he has made mistakes that have been discussed ad noseaum in this thread. Yet he does leave Valacunias, DD, Lowry, and (though many will disagree) Ross as very good foundation pieces. He also has Bargnani, Davis and Johnson as good solid role or trading pieces.

He has been horrendous at contract sighing but has been decent/ good at drafting and decent at low level trading.

We have a terrible foundation, one of the worst in the league.

Lowry = all-star (but if we rebuild, you have to question whether he will re-sign)
Val = top prospect
Derozan = overpaid role player
Ross = low-ceiling prospect

[Rapsfan07]

I would take a middle of the road approach. I do think that he needs to be fired, or more realistically just allowed to walk at the end of his contract this year. The board can block any deals that it feels are quick fix sell the youth to save his job type deals, so I am not worried about that.

The truth is that the next step cannot be taken with him at the helm.

That said I think that he will have left a decent part of a foundation for the next GM to take that step. Yes he has made mistakes that have been discussed ad noseaum in this thread. Yet he does leave Valacunias, DD, Lowry, and (though many will disagree) Ross as very good foundation pieces. He also has Bargnani, Davis and Johnson as good solid role or trading pieces.

He has been horrendous at contract sighing but has been decent/ good at drafting and decent at low level trading.

I wouldn't mind firing him now and letting Stefanski oversee things as interim until we can get a guy suitable for the job. But BC's tenure has been a disaster here. At some point, you just gotta cut ties and find something else. BC's incompetence is so rare that I'm fairly sure that the next guy will at least be slightly better. At the very least.

But you're right. This organization needs to clean house from the top all the way to the bottom. BC can't be allowed to sign another deal or have his option picked up. Time to move on from this joker.

[Raps in 4]

He's tried different things to better the team.

araujo for humphries ..brought in potentials like TJ ford, Jarret Jack ...delfino for second round pics...brought in JO, who was a big name at the time...brought in marion...hedo was also a big name, after his playoff run ..found guys like amir, weems who turned out to be decent .....

If you think a student could pull off some of these moves , then i don't even know what to say.

Most of those moves you listed were lateral (trading a scrub for a scrub is an everyday transaction and shouldn't be the saving grace of a GM). The bigger moves, like trading for JO and signing Turk were moronic from the start and anyone could see that.

[Rapsfan07]

I would take a middle of the road approach. I do think that he needs to be fired, or more realistically just allowed to walk at the end of his contract this year. The board can block any deals that it feels are quick fix sell the youth to save his job type deals, so I am not worried about that.

The truth is that the next step cannot be taken with him at the helm.

That said I think that he will have left a decent part of a foundation for the next GM to take that step. Yes he has made mistakes that have been discussed ad noseaum in this thread. Yet he does leave Valacunias, DD, Lowry, and (though many will disagree) Ross as very good foundation pieces. He also has Bargnani, Davis and Johnson as good solid role or trading pieces.

He has been horrendous at contract sighing but has been decent/ good at drafting and decent at low level trading.

We have a terrible foundation, one of the worst in the league.

Lowry = all-star (but if we rebuild, you have to question whether he will re-sign)
Val = top prospect
Derozan = overpaid role player
Ross = low-ceiling prospect

+1

If we blow this up, it can't be half assed. EVERYBODY has to go who's name is not Val, Ross or Ed simply because of their age. Everyone will need to dealt for picks and expiring deals.

[Pusha-T]

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

We've been in the league for 16 years, how long does this process take?

It's coming along, players are starting to warm up to playing here..it could be another year or another 20 , i dont know.

[JN]

Yeah, anyone who doesn't see the underlying philosophical issues with our corporate ownership needs to wake up. Rogers, Bell, Tanenbaum, MLSE, whatever. They're all part of the problem. This is solely a business venture for them. Here's the #1 reason why BC hasn't been canned yet, and may very well not be canned in the future:

Table confirms BC is responsible for raisin CAD dollar. Order of Canada for BC!!!

[Pusha-T]

He's tried different things to better the team.

araujo for humphries ..brought in potentials like TJ ford, Jarret Jack ...delfino for second round pics...brought in JO, who was a big name at the time...brought in marion...hedo was also a big name, after his playoff run ..found guys like amir, weems who turned out to be decent .....

If you think a student could pull off some of these moves , then i don't even know what to say.

Most of those moves you listed were lateral (trading a scrub for a scrub is an everyday transaction and shouldn't be the saving grace of a GM). The bigger moves, like trading for JO and signing Turk were moronic from the start and anyone could see that.

I would love to pull up some threads from the Jermaine signing and see the reactions at the time ... As far as i remember people were pretty freakin happy .....its easy to place blame after the fact.

[West Rouge]

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

We've been in the league for 16 years, how long does this process take?

It's coming along, players are starting to warm up to playing here..it could be another year or another 20 , i dont know.

Its nice to see some fans keep hope alive. But c'mon man lay off the kool-aid & get into rehab with the rest of us

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

BC is always trying to be a trend-setter. I think he actually believes that a rebuild is an unnecessary step to building a contender, that one can be built without the years of suckage & high draft picks. That's all well and good if you can get star free agents to come here. Problem is, we're the Toronto Raptors, a team that has had so much difficulty in attracting prime free agents in the past. So, now, you're pretty much left with making shrewd trades. It's a delicate line to walk for a GM in the NBA.

[NBJ13]

BC is way passed 3 strikes and he's still at bat... it's rediculous

[Raps in 4]

He's tried different things to better the team.

araujo for humphries ..brought in potentials like TJ ford, Jarret Jack ...delfino for second round pics...brought in JO, who was a big name at the time...brought in marion...hedo was also a big name, after his playoff run ..found guys like amir, weems who turned out to be decent .....

If you think a student could pull off some of these moves , then i don't even know what to say.

Most of those moves you listed were lateral (trading a scrub for a scrub is an everyday transaction and shouldn't be the saving grace of a GM). The bigger moves, like trading for JO and signing Turk were moronic from the start and anyone could see that.

I would love to pull up some threads from the Jermaine signing and see the reactions at the time ... As far as i remember people were pretty freakin happy .....its easy to place blame after the fact.

People weren't too concerned about the JO deal because it was early in BC's tenure, and the price paid wasn't too steep (basically an oft-injured Ford + the 17th pick). Regardless, JO was on a steep decline at the time the trade went down, and it was pretty clear he wouldn't have a huge impact on the team (at the end of the day, it was just another lateral move). The Hedo deal was met with a lot more vocal opposition from a number of posters (myself included). It was obvious that he was a system player that wouldn't work out in Toronto.

[draft]

If you can't sign players, then you go the OKC route through the draft. BC did a half assed rebuild for 2 years.
Look at Cleveland once they lost Lebron. They had less talent than us but they rebuilt properly. They blew it up and tanked. Now 2 years later they have added 3 lottery picks to their team, they have cap flexibility and they have a bunch of 1st round picks in upcoming drafts.

[Raps in 4]

If you can't sign players, then you go the OKC route through the draft. BC did a half assed rebuild for 2 years.
Look at Cleveland once they lost Lebron. They had less talent than us but they rebuilt properly. They blew it up and tanked. Now 2 years later they have added 3 lottery picks to their team, they have cap flexibility and they have a bunch of 1st round picks in upcoming drafts.

THIS

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

If you can't sign players, then you go the OKC route through the draft. BC did a half assed rebuild for 2 years.
Look at Cleveland once they lost Lebron. They had less talent than us but they rebuilt properly. They blew it up and tanked. Now 2 years later they have added 3 lottery picks to their team, they have cap flexibility and they have a bunch of 1st round picks in upcoming drafts.

I don't think he ever wanted to rebuild. He hates that term. I mean, didn't Richard Peddie of all people have to convince him to take it easy & pull his fingers off the trigger last season?

[Scase]

im probably the only one that likes BC ...he doesn't have a perfect track record, but he's got guts to shake things up and i like that.

It's easy to look great when you get lucky with a kobe, durant, duncan, shaq, lebron, etc or you're a city like LA or Miami that all players wanna play for...

People forget we are the only team in a DIFFERENT COUNTRY ...it's going to take some years before we are just another team in the leauge, were not there yet imo

You might wanna invest in a bulldozer, shoveling all that sht must get mighty tiring by hand.

We'll talk when/if BC is fired and your next saviour is hired and then destorys this team even more

what you're expecting is a magician , not a GM ....hire Chris Angel ...maybe hell pull u lebron out of his as.s

Yeah why dump that girlfriend that's constantly cheating on you when the next one could be ugly AND cheat on you right?

Wow......He has done absolutely NOTHING to better the franchise. Since his hiring our winning record is barely .400, we've made the playoffs once and got bounced pathetically quick. Every draft prospect (Jury is out on Val) has been an absolute failure. Trading for Lowry was done too early as we aren't in the position to maximize his talent/age/contract at this point.

No one is expecting a magician, what we are expecting is not to have a terrible GM. When you're at the bottom you can only go up. The chances of getting a better GM at this point greatly outweigh the chances of getting one that could make this franchise WORSE.

[BD12]

Here is the Jermaine O'Neal thread

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=817879&start=225

Majority were cautiously optimistic for the most part because of his wonky knee

[Rejected]

I picked yes because the Bargnani Era must end now and BC is clearly not willing to make that move. I really believe this is an addition by subtraction move. I see the teams face when Bargs blows a defensive assignment, misses a rebound, does not go for a loose ball or run back on defence, mean while he gets to chuck as many shots as he wants with no results in the W column. I would hate playing with a guy like this. If he was off the bench he would be serviceable, but 40 minutes a night of that and I would feel like it was an uphill battle everynight playing with that guy. End this and end BC if that's what it takes.

[Primetime23]

...and if Bryan was losing money for MLSE but he had a better winning percentage he most likely would've been axed already. Our ownership shares alot of the blame here. The bottom line for them is cash, not wins. (ie: The Maple Laughs, but a much smaller level).

I dont buy this, attendance has been falling the past couple years and there has been no playoff revenue the last 4 years either. Any GM would have been able to make the similar revenue with the team imo, BC's name being attached to the franchise isn't a license to print money.

On Feb 28th 2006 Bryan became the Raptors President & GM. The value of the club that year was $315 million. The following season the value sky rocketed up to $373 million, followed by $400 million in 2008. Following were years of $386 million in 2009 and $399 million in 20010. I can only speculate how the recession played a role in the latter two years I listed and I do not have a specific dollar figure that properly takes that into consideration.

lol weak correlation imo, canadian dollar surged and american economy tanked under his tenure i dont think BC being general manager has pushed the clubs value up 80 million dollars thats just silly.