Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[nabbs]

I've thought about this quite a bit but doesn't anyone else think Donovan Mitchell is a Norm clone?? Exact same physical measurements and they have a similar playing style. Donovan is basically a more offensively polished Norm with flashes of solid court vision.

[CoachJReturns]

What if we were to tank and build a new core in 5-6 years that still has a 2nd/3rd round ceiling attached to it? Would that have been a successful rebuild? After doing some research i've come to the conclusion that there's so much luck involved in building a championship team it's actually crazy.

IMO we just need to draft well wherever we draft and do a better job at developing and letting these young guys play. We already saw delon,norm,jakob,pascal(to an extent) produce in their limited roles. I know, "blah blah blah i don't want role players". More than half of the players that get picked in the lottery are going to end up becoming role players too *shrugs*

Luck is always a factor. There have been teams that did everything right only to somehow lose a hall of fame caliber prospect.
Len Bias, Penny Hardaway, Greg Oden. Luck will always be a part of becoming a great team. Draft well and hope for the best, though frankly I'm still on the fence about Masai's drafting which I think is good but not special. Worse is Casey who won't play the young guys when the veterans fail to even show up in playoff games. There's no excuse for not giving Norm more burn. Even if he plays the same position as our lifer DeMar, you play him and up his value around the league. He's perhaps the best available asset on the team.

Yep Norm should start next season. He's undersized but it's not really as big a problem as it's made out to be. Plus our team looked best with him starting. Pascal I like but until his shot gets better he's kinda stuck as a PF Biyombo. Still can't put the ball on the floor and score and his not good from 3 yet. I've actually liked what I've seen from Bruno so far. Might crack a rotation some day as a backup PF. His Defense looks NBA ready and he shot 40% on NBA 3s in the DL. If he can fix his confidence we should be good to go.

Pascal's shot looked much better in D League, but we'll have to see if it carries over. Bruno is just frustrating. lol. Poeltl is young and needs time to get stronger as most young centers do, however he may have the best natural feel for the game of anyone on the team. I fully expect him to be an NBA starting center here or somewhere else in the future.
I don't expect Norm to start(though I'd like to see it), but I'd at least hope to see him play more minutes with Kyle and DeMar. As others have said numerous times, he's not a shot creator at this stage and is better off the ball with our guards handling the ball.
It's a solid group of prospects to have on a competitive team. I don't expect anyone to break out, but that's always what you hope for because it's the best way to become a great team instead of a good one.

I'm setting myself up for one of the shooting bigs in this year's draft, but quietly hoping for Diallo. He may be a bust, but I think every few years you can afford to take a gamble with a late pick.

[LonZoBallin]

If BK had a decent GM and built from within their team right now:

Lillard, Fultz, Jayln Brown, Favors and Kanter

[RaptorsLife]

If BK had a decent GM and built from within their team right now:

Lillard, Fultz, Jayln Brown, Favors and Kanter

I that's not enough team to beat us let alone the Cavs. Frontcourt would get finished

[Tortiglioni]

Giles
OG
Anigobou
Alkins
2k Ferg
Derrick White

[CoachJReturns]

If BK had a decent GM and built from within their team right now:

Lillard, Fultz, Jayln Brown, Favors and Kanter

I that's not enough team to beat us let alone the Cavs. Frontcourt would get finished

They'd be fun though and would have good assets for trades. That's worlds away from where they are now.

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[RaptorsLife]

If BK had a decent GM and built from within their team right now:

Lillard, Fultz, Jayln Brown, Favors and Kanter

I that's not enough team to beat us let alone the Cavs. Frontcourt would get finished

They'd be fun though and would have good assets for trades. That's worlds away from where they are now.

They wouldn't be the Cavs. So they would be treddmilling.

Lebron would destroy the paint against kanter

[HeadtopChunes]

Luck is always a factor. There have been teams that did everything right only to somehow lose a hall of fame caliber prospect.
Len Bias, Penny Hardaway, Greg Oden. Luck will always be a part of becoming a great team. Draft well and hope for the best, though frankly I'm still on the fence about Masai's drafting which I think is good but not special. Worse is Casey who won't play the young guys when the veterans fail to even show up in playoff games. There's no excuse for not giving Norm more burn. Even if he plays the same position as our lifer DeMar, you play him and up his value around the league. He's perhaps the best available asset on the team.

Yep Norm should start next season. He's undersized but it's not really as big a problem as it's made out to be. Plus our team looked best with him starting. Pascal I like but until his shot gets better he's kinda stuck as a PF Biyombo. Still can't put the ball on the floor and score and his not good from 3 yet. I've actually liked what I've seen from Bruno so far. Might crack a rotation some day as a backup PF. His Defense looks NBA ready and he shot 40% on NBA 3s in the DL. If he can fix his confidence we should be good to go.

Pascal's shot looked much better in D League, but we'll have to see if it carries over. Bruno is just frustrating. lol. Poeltl is young and needs time to get stronger as most young centers do, however he may have the best natural feel for the game of anyone on the team. I fully expect him to be an NBA starting center here or somewhere else in the future.
I don't expect Norm to start(though I'd like to see it), but I'd at least hope to see him play more minutes with Kyle and DeMar. As others have said numerous times, he's not a shot creator at this stage and is better off the ball with our guards handling the ball.
It's a solid group of prospects to have on a competitive team. I don't expect anyone to break out, but that's always what you hope for because it's the best way to become a great team instead of a good one.

I'm setting myself up for one of the shooting bigs in this year's draft, but quietly hoping for Diallo. He may be a bust, but I think every few years you can afford to take a gamble with a late pick.

Our head scout said we're going BPA. But if that means we take a project I'm not sure. Besides that Im on the same boat as you. We can afford to gamble this year with Diallo or Giles. Diallo absolutely has no 3pt shot but that's never stopped us before. Maryland JJ would be nice too but he may just be another Bruno.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I've thought about this quite a bit but doesn't anyone else think Donovan Mitchell is a Norm clone?? Exact same physical measurements and they have a similar playing style. Donovan is basically a more offensively polished Norm with flashes of solid court vision.

He's out of our range though. He and Norm at the wing would be nice in the modern NBA, but it's a pipe dream. If he's there at 23 he's a huge steal.

[HeadtopChunes]

I've thought about this quite a bit but doesn't anyone else think Donovan Mitchell is a Norm clone?? Exact same physical measurements and they have a similar playing style. Donovan is basically a more offensively polished Norm with flashes of solid court vision.

He's out of our range though. He and Norm at the wing would be nice in the modern NBA, but it's a pipe dream. If he's there at 23 he's a huge steal.

If he falls I'd take him instantly. Delon is good but not good enough to turn down talent at PG. Even if lowry comes back we'll need a replacement eventually.

[LonZoBallin]

I that's not enough team to beat us let alone the Cavs. Frontcourt would get finished

They'd be fun though and would have good assets for trades. That's worlds away from where they are now.

They wouldn't be the Cavs. So they would be treddmilling.

Lebron would destroy the paint against kanter

No one is going to be beating the Cavs but the Warriors or spurs. This is what you don't understand, when the Cavs decline? That BK would be just entering it's prime.

I know you can never look to the future, but with your plan? We will be blowing it up right when the Cavs decline. So during the time when other teams have a chance in the EASt? We'll be rebuilding because you wanted to hold on to hope so you can get knocked out in the playoffs every year.

[RaptorsLife]

They'd be fun though and would have good assets for trades. That's worlds away from where they are now.

They wouldn't be the Cavs. So they would be treddmilling.

Lebron would destroy the paint against kanter

No one is going to be beating the Cavs but the Warriors or spurs. This is what you don't understand, when the Cavs decline? That BK would be just entering it's prime.

I know you can never look to the future, but with your plan? We will be blowing it up right when the Cavs decline. So during the time when other teams have a chance in the EASt? We'll be rebuilding because you wanted to hold on to hope so you can get knocked out in the playoffs every year.

There is only 2 spots in the finals

Celtics
Bucks
Lakers
Sixers
Sun's
Kings
nuggets
Timberwokves
Pelicans
Utah
Orlando
The 2nd and 3rd celing will happend to alot teams some might not even make get that far

That's not even factoring any super teams that are created that actually win championship or kawhi leonard

There is 0 guarutee we even return to 2nd or 3rd round team.

Remember when bobxsts and magic, kings tanked there the same trash they are now

[LonZoBallin]

They wouldn't be the Cavs. So they would be treddmilling.

Lebron would destroy the paint against kanter

No one is going to be beating the Cavs but the Warriors or spurs. This is what you don't understand, when the Cavs decline? That BK would be just entering it's prime.

I know you can never look to the future, but with your plan? We will be blowing it up right when the Cavs decline. So during the time when other teams have a chance in the EASt? We'll be rebuilding because you wanted to hold on to hope so you can get knocked out in the playoffs every year.

There is only 2 spots in the finals

Celtics
Bucks
Lakers
Sixers
Sun's
Kings
nuggets
Timberwokves
Pelicans
Utah
Orlando
The 2nd and 3rd celing will happend to alot teams some might not even make get that far

That's not even factoring any super teams that are created that actually win championship or kawhi leonard

There is 0 guarutee we even return to 2nd or 3rd round team.

Remember when bobxsts and magic, kings tanked there the same trash they are now

I understand you play for 2nd...most people with a loser mentality do.

[RaptorsLife]

No one is going to be beating the Cavs but the Warriors or spurs. This is what you don't understand, when the Cavs decline? That BK would be just entering it's prime.

I know you can never look to the future, but with your plan? We will be blowing it up right when the Cavs decline. So during the time when other teams have a chance in the EASt? We'll be rebuilding because you wanted to hold on to hope so you can get knocked out in the playoffs every year.

There is only 2 spots in the finals

Celtics
Bucks
Lakers
Sixers
Sun's
Kings
nuggets
Timberwokves
Pelicans
Utah
Orlando
The 2nd and 3rd celing will happend to alot teams some might not even make get that far

That's not even factoring any super teams that are created that actually win championship or kawhi leonard

There is 0 guarutee we even return to 2nd or 3rd round team.

Remember when bobxsts and magic, kings tanked there the same trash they are now

I understand you play for 2nd...most people with a loser mentality do.

Yeah I have a loser mentality because I don't want to play for 29th or 30 like you....

[BoyzNTheHood]

Still not sure how Jonah Bolden is ranked so low...

[LonZoBallin]

There is only 2 spots in the finals

Celtics
Bucks
Lakers
Sixers
Sun's
Kings
nuggets
Timberwokves
Pelicans
Utah
Orlando
The 2nd and 3rd celing will happend to alot teams some might not even make get that far

That's not even factoring any super teams that are created that actually win championship or kawhi leonard

There is 0 guarutee we even return to 2nd or 3rd round team.

Remember when bobxsts and magic, kings tanked there the same trash they are now

I understand you play for 2nd...most people with a loser mentality do.

Yeah I have a loser mentality because I don't want to play for 29th or 30 like you....

You want to play for 2nd.

I want to win championships ...that's the difference betwen us. You're okay with settling for 2nd, I'm not.

[RaptorsLife]

I understand you play for 2nd...most people with a loser mentality do.

Yeah I have a loser mentality because I don't want to play for 29th or 30 like you....

You want to play for 2nd.

I want to win championships ...that's the difference betwen us. You're okay with settling for 2nd, I'm not.

No your playing for 29th-30th.

There is no championship with tanking.... not one team has done it

[OAKLEY_2]

Still not sure how Jonah Bolden is ranked so low...

Leaf-Diallo-Ferguson-Hartenstein =

No reaches please.

[HeadtopChunes]

Still not sure how Jonah Bolden is ranked so low...

Leaf-Diallo-Ferguson-Hartenstein =

No reaches please.

We really need to get a 2nd round pick