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Post#521 » by seanbig » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:07 pm

Well maybe Korea
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Post#522 » by CantStopTheRock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:17 pm

seanbig wrote:Well maybe Korea



Yeah South Korea, i was going to write that but forgot

Apparently North Korea has zero cases according to their fearless leader
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Post#523 » by ballislife89 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:29 pm

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seanbig wrote:Well maybe Korea



Yeah South Korea, i was going to write that but forgot

Apparently North Korea has zero cases according to their fearless leader


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Post#524 » by Kevin Willis » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:29 pm

ballislife89 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
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He's talking about shutting borders down to China and holding them accountable for this **** disaster because they're the pieces of garbage that could've mitigated this simply by being honest and not practicing outdated social practices that cause MASS **** DEATH.


So just to be clear you clowns think Trudeau and apparently other world leaders didn't shut down flights from China because they were being politically correct and that is going to kill a bunch of Canadians? Are you that drunk on right wing **** that you actually believe that nonsense?


Only one politicizing this is you, those are facts my friend. Trudeau should've shut the flights and borders off to China a LONG time ago. Those communist POS have affected the world to crippling measures and debt, and all you can think of is "drunk on right wing ****". Give your head a shake and witness the death, and suffering and what mitigating measures could've been taken.


Stop the racism. Not sure why you reference communism and not sure why you called an entire nations POS. I have a feeling they did not want Chinese to die as much as they did. The fact they are communist actually helped them to shut down a country. That's not the attitude needed right now because it helps nobody.

US has 10x as many people as Canada but 20x the cases. The people of greater concern should be the Americans, we have been lucky so far and hopefully we will continue to be. A lot of leaders made mistakes, pandemics of this side don't come around very often and the world has changed since the last one. They didn't shut down things earlier because they didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. Now they do and are acting in kind. What really matters more than anything is what they do going forward.
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Post#525 » by Metallikid » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:58 pm

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It’s happening in parts of Europe right now and nobody is rioting. It should be happening here but this country is soft AF.


Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.


Where did you get the idea that any part of Europe is near their peak cases?


Please read what I said again.

Key word, "started"

Not at, not past, just started.
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Post#526 » by Indeed » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:06 pm

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Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
They primarily wear masks to protect patients, not themselves. I'm not sure how many more times I need to say that.

And they are trained in how to use the mask and some of them still don't wear them properly, I already posted about the study. You think the general public would do better? They are lining up in big groups for a damn video game, they can't even stay at home ffs

I am literally reiterating what the CDC, WHO, NHS, and medical studies suggest, yet you think you know better


And people are trained to wash their hands? Most people wash their hands wrong, and we should just skip washing hands? Saying it is to protect patients is contradicting yourself. If they are sick, they should not work. Clearly they are not sick, and they complain it because doctors know how important it is for them to reduce risk of getting the virus.

Sorry to say, many people don't trust CDC, WHO. Look at how late WHO declares this issue.


People wash their hands all the time and some still do it wrong. So why would a mask that people aren't used to magically start following all the precautions you need to take with them, because if you don't use it correctly it is more dangerous to have one on (if healthy), that isn't the same case as not washing your hands properly.

you contradict yourself, if people are not washing their hands properly, they should not be touching their face, which includes putting on, adjusting, and taking off a mask.

And how the hell am I contradicting myself by saying it is to protect the patients? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Sick patients should wear masks, HCW are around those sick people so they are at a high risk of passing something on, so they need to cover up to prevent them from giving it to someone else. It's about preventing passing it on, not preventing from getting.

You think those organizations are untrustworthy but you trust Asian ones? They wear more masks there so we should here? vaccination rates are much higher here than there, so what vaccinations are bad? Why do these masks not help at all with China's influenza rate? Chinese government was silencing doctors at the start of the outbreak, real trust worthy

There is a difference in WHO being unprepared vs down right lying to people. But really one was prepared


You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.
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Post#527 » by Metallikid » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:15 pm

ballislife89 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
ballislife89 wrote:
He's talking about shutting borders down to China and holding them accountable for this **** disaster because they're the pieces of garbage that could've mitigated this simply by being honest and not practicing outdated social practices that cause MASS **** DEATH.


So just to be clear you clowns think Trudeau and apparently other world leaders didn't shut down flights from China because they were being politically correct and that is going to kill a bunch of Canadians? Are you that drunk on right wing **** that you actually believe that nonsense?


Only one politicizing this is you, those are facts my friend. Trudeau should've shut the flights and borders off to China a LONG time ago. Those communist POS have affected the world to crippling measures and debt, and all you can think of is "drunk on right wing ****". Give your head a shake and witness the death, and suffering and what mitigating measures could've been taken.


If you want to blame something blame Neoliberalism. The world is so interconnected and travel so prevalent and the nature of this disease is long incubation, easy and asymptomatic transmission. Even if China hadn't lied it still would have spread all over the world - remember how they were saying it was circulating in Washington state in DECEMBER? I can guarantee you that the Western nations would still not have been able to implement the type of draconian measures you are asking for because nobody would accept it all at once like that. At least the federal messaging has been clear that this is serious and ffs Sophie Trudeau got it early on. The pictures of people still gathering in large groups, or going to religious services, or not having regulations in stores to enforce limits on products and distances between shoppers should be what's making you upset - they're the ones who are continuing to endanger people after social distancing has been clearly communicated to Canadians.

Like think about it for a second. You think people would allow Trudeau to invoke the War Powers act when there are Canadians all over the world and leaving them stuck? Or shutting down the largest non-militarized border in the world where literally tens of thousands of people, go back and forth everyday?

Remember, we closed air travel and the American border when we were below 1000 confirmed cases. There is a huge stimulus bill. It is likely there will be rent/mortgage, even utility deferments. The tax deadline will keep getting moved back. Student loan payments are suspended I believe. Evictions aren't being enforced so everyone can just squat if they have to.

If anything the thing that should have been done earlier was at Provincial and local levels in terms of actually shutting down all non-essential business, including all restaurants and **** like EB Games.
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Post#528 » by Metallikid » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:20 pm

Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
And people are trained to wash their hands? Most people wash their hands wrong, and we should just skip washing hands? Saying it is to protect patients is contradicting yourself. If they are sick, they should not work. Clearly they are not sick, and they complain it because doctors know how important it is for them to reduce risk of getting the virus.

Sorry to say, many people don't trust CDC, WHO. Look at how late WHO declares this issue.


People wash their hands all the time and some still do it wrong. So why would a mask that people aren't used to magically start following all the precautions you need to take with them, because if you don't use it correctly it is more dangerous to have one on (if healthy), that isn't the same case as not washing your hands properly.

you contradict yourself, if people are not washing their hands properly, they should not be touching their face, which includes putting on, adjusting, and taking off a mask.

And how the hell am I contradicting myself by saying it is to protect the patients? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Sick patients should wear masks, HCW are around those sick people so they are at a high risk of passing something on, so they need to cover up to prevent them from giving it to someone else. It's about preventing passing it on, not preventing from getting.

You think those organizations are untrustworthy but you trust Asian ones? They wear more masks there so we should here? vaccination rates are much higher here than there, so what vaccinations are bad? Why do these masks not help at all with China's influenza rate? Chinese government was silencing doctors at the start of the outbreak, real trust worthy

There is a difference in WHO being unprepared vs down right lying to people. But really one was prepared


You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.


It has nothing to do with stopping the incoming flights from China - because it had already spread. That merely stops further seeding of cases. Italy is dealing with the stronger strain of the disease that came from a Bavarian German who went to business meetings in Northern Italy I believe, and it spread from there. That's why Switzerland got it so bad. The German guy was asymptomatic at the meetings.
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Post#529 » by jrask » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:13 pm

I guess the LCBO is an essential business now
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Post#530 » by CantStopTheRock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:18 pm

Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
And people are trained to wash their hands? Most people wash their hands wrong, and we should just skip washing hands? Saying it is to protect patients is contradicting yourself. If they are sick, they should not work. Clearly they are not sick, and they complain it because doctors know how important it is for them to reduce risk of getting the virus.

Sorry to say, many people don't trust CDC, WHO. Look at how late WHO declares this issue.


People wash their hands all the time and some still do it wrong. So why would a mask that people aren't used to magically start following all the precautions you need to take with them, because if you don't use it correctly it is more dangerous to have one on (if healthy), that isn't the same case as not washing your hands properly.

you contradict yourself, if people are not washing their hands properly, they should not be touching their face, which includes putting on, adjusting, and taking off a mask.

And how the hell am I contradicting myself by saying it is to protect the patients? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Sick patients should wear masks, HCW are around those sick people so they are at a high risk of passing something on, so they need to cover up to prevent them from giving it to someone else. It's about preventing passing it on, not preventing from getting.

You think those organizations are untrustworthy but you trust Asian ones? They wear more masks there so we should here? vaccination rates are much higher here than there, so what vaccinations are bad? Why do these masks not help at all with China's influenza rate? Chinese government was silencing doctors at the start of the outbreak, real trust worthy

There is a difference in WHO being unprepared vs down right lying to people. But really one was prepared


You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.



No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?
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Post#531 » by Indeed » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:19 pm

Metallikid wrote:
Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
People wash their hands all the time and some still do it wrong. So why would a mask that people aren't used to magically start following all the precautions you need to take with them, because if you don't use it correctly it is more dangerous to have one on (if healthy), that isn't the same case as not washing your hands properly.

you contradict yourself, if people are not washing their hands properly, they should not be touching their face, which includes putting on, adjusting, and taking off a mask.

And how the hell am I contradicting myself by saying it is to protect the patients? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Sick patients should wear masks, HCW are around those sick people so they are at a high risk of passing something on, so they need to cover up to prevent them from giving it to someone else. It's about preventing passing it on, not preventing from getting.

You think those organizations are untrustworthy but you trust Asian ones? They wear more masks there so we should here? vaccination rates are much higher here than there, so what vaccinations are bad? Why do these masks not help at all with China's influenza rate? Chinese government was silencing doctors at the start of the outbreak, real trust worthy

There is a difference in WHO being unprepared vs down right lying to people. But really one was prepared


You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.


It has nothing to do with stopping the incoming flights from China - because it had already spread. That merely stops further seeding of cases. Italy is dealing with the stronger strain of the disease that came from a Bavarian German who went to business meetings in Northern Italy I believe, and it spread from there. That's why Switzerland got it so bad. The German guy was asymptomatic at the meetings.


The original argument here was not to wear mask, while some of us disagreed when some countries are controlling the issue. I agree not to panic buying, and should try to reserve masks for medical members, but I disagree with CDC claiming it is not useful in preventing the virus.
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Post#532 » by Indeed » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:22 pm

CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
People wash their hands all the time and some still do it wrong. So why would a mask that people aren't used to magically start following all the precautions you need to take with them, because if you don't use it correctly it is more dangerous to have one on (if healthy), that isn't the same case as not washing your hands properly.

you contradict yourself, if people are not washing their hands properly, they should not be touching their face, which includes putting on, adjusting, and taking off a mask.

And how the hell am I contradicting myself by saying it is to protect the patients? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Sick patients should wear masks, HCW are around those sick people so they are at a high risk of passing something on, so they need to cover up to prevent them from giving it to someone else. It's about preventing passing it on, not preventing from getting.

You think those organizations are untrustworthy but you trust Asian ones? They wear more masks there so we should here? vaccination rates are much higher here than there, so what vaccinations are bad? Why do these masks not help at all with China's influenza rate? Chinese government was silencing doctors at the start of the outbreak, real trust worthy

There is a difference in WHO being unprepared vs down right lying to people. But really one was prepared


You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.



No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?


No it is not, that is not worse than no mask, it is still better than no mask.
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Post#533 » by gp2015 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:30 pm

CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.



No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?


Washing your hands incorrectly is the same as not washing your hands at all? Are you serious?
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Post#534 » by CantStopTheRock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:47 pm

Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.



No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?


No it is not, that is not worse than no mask, it is still better than no mask.


Based on.... nothing....

If you are healthy, wearing it wrong and touching your face more than yes it is worse. Especially if you are going around with no eye protection. Literally you are doing one of the worst things you can do more - how in any way can you think that is better. Sure if you know how to use them, go ahead, but that was never the point I was making
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Post#535 » by CantStopTheRock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:52 pm

gp2015 wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
You failed to understand. If most people don't know how to use a mask and claim to be useless, what about most people don't wash their hands properly, should they not wash their hands? If they should wash their hands regardless of doing it right, why is there a problem of wearing a mask?

Can you explain why Italy is catching up to China? I believe they are the first stopping flights from China, and started social distancing.



No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?


Washing your hands incorrectly is the same as not washing your hands at all? Are you serious?


Huh? That is not what I wrote. Unless you are replying to Indeed

I meant there is no harm in washing your hands
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Post#536 » by Indeed » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:53 pm

CantStopTheRock wrote:
Indeed wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:

No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?


No it is not, that is not worse than no mask, it is still better than no mask.


Based on.... nothing....

If you are healthy, wearing it wrong and touching your face more than yes it is worse. Especially if you are going around with no eye protection. Literally you are doing one of the worst things you can do more - how in any way can you think that is better. Sure if you know how to use them, go ahead, but that was never the point I was making


Well, based on what it is worse than no mask?

Wearing it wrong may or may not, and it depends on the situation where and how you touch it. There is NO absolute saying it is worse than no mask, and what happen if you wash your hand after touching the mask? If you are touching your mask and licking your hands, then sure, it could be worse. Meanwhile, you have your immune system, once your mask filters part of it, it will reduce your chance of having it, how would you say it is worse than no mask?
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Post#537 » by Indeed » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:55 pm

CantStopTheRock wrote:
gp2015 wrote:
CantStopTheRock wrote:

No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?


Washing your hands incorrectly is the same as not washing your hands at all? Are you serious?


Huh? That is not what I wrote.

I meant there is no harm in washing your hands


I thought that is what you were saying, "if you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started".
And so many what if you touch your face. What if the person did not touch his face or wash his hand right after? What if the majority of people watch how to wash hands and how to wear a mask?
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Post#538 » by CantStopTheRock » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:06 pm

Indeed wrote:
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Washing your hands incorrectly is the same as not washing your hands at all? Are you serious?


Huh? That is not what I wrote.

I meant there is no harm in washing your hands


I thought that is what you were saying, "if you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started".
And so many what if you touch your face. What if the person did not touch his face or wash his hand right after? What if the majority of people watch how to wash hands and how to wear a mask?


I already posted a case study on HCW wearing a n95 mask vs a loose clinical mask with no difference between the masks in keeping a HCW from getting a virus, even though in a lab a n95 masks produces superior results.

So why is this the case? Because those masks are uncomfortable and even HCW that are trained still touch their face. So again - it is proven even people used to the masks and are trained to use masks still touch their face more. It is illogical to think the public who most have not worn masks would do better, they would do worse.

I agree with you that if everyone did what they were told and wore them correctly that it is good. If they did it would do nothing but help
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Post#539 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:09 pm

Westside Gunn wrote:i cant think of one country, at least developed, 1st world that handled this properly.

Trudeau,Johnson, trump , macron, merkel all handled this pretty poorly. you cant just single out Trudeau on this


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Post#540 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:12 pm

ballislife89 wrote:
Lord_Zedd wrote:Tedros isn't even a medically trained as a doctor, and he's the guy telling the world what to do.....

When all this is over, heads need to roll within the WHO.


WTF
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How isn't this widely being reported by the useless media??? THE HEAD OF THE **** WHO ISN'T AN MD?!?!?!?!???!?!

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL **** :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


He has a a PhD in public health and an MSc in infectious diseases and immunology (with years of working experience). I'd say he's qualified for the role. The problem is that the WHO itself is a political entity and mouthpiece for dominant UN members.

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