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Re: Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley 

Post#521 » by Los_29 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 9:27 am

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Section_306 wrote:Knicks unloaded two contracts they didn't want to pay going forward and here we are lol


The funny part is they ended up paying OG like 45 million a year. lol.
And reached ECF. OG on this Raps team at that price was not worth it (neither is RJ and possibly IQ) but on the Knicks with multiple all-star level players, OG made much more sense, even if it meant overpaying him

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OG doesn’t deserve that kind of money. Knicks are fortunate they had Brunson and Bridges on great value contracts. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless of how well they did. OG also struggled in the playoffs. Efficiency was way down.
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Post#522 » by ArthurVandelay » Thu Aug 21, 2025 9:32 am

Playing catch up. Haven’t watched the video yet. But from the click bait, glad to see the Raptors are looking to buy. Just hope that doesn’t include selling the farm on picks.

Also, hopefully looking to buy means more than a Derrick white calibre player. Team still needs top end talent, not elite role players.
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The funny part is they ended up paying OG like 45 million a year. lol.
And reached ECF. OG on this Raps team at that price was not worth it (neither is RJ and possibly IQ) but on the Knicks with multiple all-star level players, OG made much more sense, even if it meant overpaying him

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OG doesn’t deserve that kind of money. Knicks are fortunate they had Brunson and Bridges on great value contracts. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless of how well they did. OG also struggled in the playoffs. Efficiency was way down.


And yet, he helped them take out the Celtics, this is what they paid him for. Even with a healthy Tatum, they had Boston on the ropes. The money didn't hurt them all that had because both Brunson and Bridges took discounts, they planned everything out pretty well, that's what good front offices do. And they are the likely favorites to reach the finals coming into the next season. Context matters when it comes to contracts, for the Knicks, OG was worth it
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Post#524 » by JB7 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 1:21 pm

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dTox wrote:And reached ECF. OG on this Raps team at that price was not worth it (neither is RJ and possibly IQ) but on the Knicks with multiple all-star level players, OG made much more sense, even if it meant overpaying him

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OG doesn’t deserve that kind of money. Knicks are fortunate they had Brunson and Bridges on great value contracts. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless of how well they did. OG also struggled in the playoffs. Efficiency was way down.


And yet, he helped them take out the Celtics, this is what they paid him for. Even with a healthy Tatum, they had Boston on the ropes. The money didn't hurt them all that had because both Brunson and Bridges took discounts, they planned everything out pretty well, that's what good front offices do. And they are the likely favorites to reach the finals coming into the next season. Context matters when it comes to contracts, for the Knicks, OG was worth it


I wouldn't call the Knicks situation a very well managed situation. They are $30M into the tax this season, with only 12 players signed. They are considered a top 2 team in the East, only because of Tatum and Hali's injuries.

And next season they are already $5M into the tax, with a roster currently of 9 players. And that is with them using their connections to get Brunson and Bridges to take discounts for now. I'm sure Brunson is getting paid a lot more once he opts out 3 seasons from now.

And they don't have much available to trade to try and improve this team now. All they can do is trade one FRP at a time, when they become available.
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Re: Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley 

Post#525 » by bluerap23 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 1:32 pm

Outside of Giannis, is there really someone (that may realistically want a trade) worth pursuing? Boston isn't trading White or Brown, that would have happened by now. They are going to rebuild around Tatum, Brown and White. I'm still dreaming of Scottie, Yak ++ For Giannis and Turner but I don't see Giannis wanting to consider Toronto any more.
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Post#526 » by JB7 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 1:40 pm

bluerap23 wrote:Outside of Giannis, is there really someone (that may realistically want a trade) worth pursuing? Boston isn't trading White or Brown, that would have happened by now. They are going to rebuild around Tatum, Brown and White. I'm still dreaming of Scottie, Yak ++ For Giannis and Turner but I don't see Giannis wanting to consider Toronto any more.


Yea, the Giannis dream died the moment they fired Masai. Giannis is probably looking directly at the Lakers now.

Another star player maybe worth pursuing is Markkanen. Might he be a better fit next to Scottie? If Cleveland feels they need to move Garland, can a 3 team trade potentially happen with BI going to Cavs, Garland to Utah and Markkanen to the Raps.
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Post#527 » by dTox » Thu Aug 21, 2025 1:54 pm

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OG doesn’t deserve that kind of money. Knicks are fortunate they had Brunson and Bridges on great value contracts. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless of how well they did. OG also struggled in the playoffs. Efficiency was way down.


And yet, he helped them take out the Celtics, this is what they paid him for. Even with a healthy Tatum, they had Boston on the ropes. The money didn't hurt them all that had because both Brunson and Bridges took discounts, they planned everything out pretty well, that's what good front offices do. And they are the likely favorites to reach the finals coming into the next season. Context matters when it comes to contracts, for the Knicks, OG was worth it


I wouldn't call the Knicks situation a very well managed situation. They are $30M into the tax this season, with only 12 players signed. They are considered a top 2 team in the East, only because of Tatum and Hali's injuries.

And next season they are already $5M into the tax, with a roster currently of 9 players. And that is with them using their connections to get Brunson and Bridges to take discounts for now. I'm sure Brunson is getting paid a lot more once he opts out 3 seasons from now.

And they don't have much available to trade to try and improve this team now. All they can do is trade one FRP at a time, when they become available.


They were going to beat Boston even with a healthy Tatum, so I wouldn't lock Boston in as the better team coming into the season, also doubt Boston was going to retain one of Holiday or KP because they were in the repeater tax category, under the second apron. Since when did a team rely on more than 12 players in the playoffs? At most we saw were 10 man rotations, so that doesn't necessarily mean it's all that bad they have 12 players signed. Brunson opting out 3 seasons from now, falls in line with OG's contract ending, so it works out because no one is about to pay a 32 year old OG that much money again. They have shored up their bench vs last year, their current bench looks like this: Where they have the likes of Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell Robinson (who missed almost the entire season last year), Miles McBride, Guerschon Yabusele (one of the best signings of the offseason), PJ Tucker, and Delon Wright, this is a vastly superior team just because of their improved depth compared to last year (where they had Landry freaking Shamet playing crucial playoff minutes). There's always going to be injuries in the NBA, doxing the Knicks' because of Boston/Pacers being injured is no diff than doxing the Raptor's championship because GSW was missing KD/Klay, it's unfair, and shouldn't be held against them, winning it all has some factors of luck built into it. Being only $30 mill over the tax for a team with a top end talent of: Brunson, KAT, OG, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, and Yabusele, is actually pretty good.
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Post#528 » by JB7 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:10 pm

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And yet, he helped them take out the Celtics, this is what they paid him for. Even with a healthy Tatum, they had Boston on the ropes. The money didn't hurt them all that had because both Brunson and Bridges took discounts, they planned everything out pretty well, that's what good front offices do. And they are the likely favorites to reach the finals coming into the next season. Context matters when it comes to contracts, for the Knicks, OG was worth it


I wouldn't call the Knicks situation a very well managed situation. They are $30M into the tax this season, with only 12 players signed. They are considered a top 2 team in the East, only because of Tatum and Hali's injuries.

And next season they are already $5M into the tax, with a roster currently of 9 players. And that is with them using their connections to get Brunson and Bridges to take discounts for now. I'm sure Brunson is getting paid a lot more once he opts out 3 seasons from now.

And they don't have much available to trade to try and improve this team now. All they can do is trade one FRP at a time, when they become available.


They were going to beat Boston even with a healthy Tatum, so I wouldn't lock Boston in as the better team coming into the season, also doubt Boston was going to retain one of Holiday or KP because they were in the repeater tax category, under the second apron. Since when did a team rely on more than 12 players in the playoffs? At most we saw were 10 man rotations, so that doesn't necessarily mean it's all that bad they have 12 players signed. Brunson opting out 3 seasons from now, falls in line with OG's contract ending, so it works out because no one is about to pay a 32 year old OG that much money again. They have shored up their bench vs last year, their current bench looks like this: Where they have the likes of Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell Robinson (who missed almost the entire season last year), Miles McBride, Guerschon Yabusele (one of the best signings of the offseason), PJ Tucker, and Delon Wright, this is a vastly superior team just because of their improved depth compared to last year (where they had Landry freaking Shamet playing crucial playoff minutes). There's always going to be injuries in the NBA, doxing the Knicks' because of Boston/Pacers being injured is no diff than doxing the Raptor's championship because GSW was missing KD/Klay, it's unfair, and shouldn't be held against them, winning it all has some factors of luck built into it. Being only $30 mill over the tax for a team with a top end talent of: Brunson, KAT, OG, Bridges, Hart, Robinson, and Yabusele, is actually pretty good.


They have done alright. Their moment though is now. Especially with the injuries to Tatum and Hali. I'm not holding it against them. Just saying that without those injuries, there are two other teams in the mix for the top positions.

Also, it is Towns deal that is expiring when Brunson can opt out. OG has a player option the same year as Brunson.

I just don't think they have done an amazing job. They lucked into Brunson, and his growth shocked the league. The rest of the moves have been meh.

The signings this offseason are a byproduct of playing in New York, which probably helped in acquiring those players for cheap.
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Post#529 » by mihaic » Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:10 pm

dTox wrote:
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Section_306 wrote:Knicks unloaded two contracts they didn't want to pay going forward and here we are lol


The funny part is they ended up paying OG like 45 million a year. lol.
And reached ECF. OG on this Raps team at that price was not worth it (neither is RJ and possibly IQ) but on the Knicks with multiple all-star level players, OG made much more sense, even if it meant overpaying him

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They didn't reach ECF due to OG, it was Brunson who reached ECF. My wild guess is they reach ECF with Ochai instead of OG.
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Post#530 » by mihaic » Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:20 pm

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bluerap23 wrote:Outside of Giannis, is there really someone (that may realistically want a trade) worth pursuing? Boston isn't trading White or Brown, that would have happened by now. They are going to rebuild around Tatum, Brown and White. I'm still dreaming of Scottie, Yak ++ For Giannis and Turner but I don't see Giannis wanting to consider Toronto any more.


Yea, the Giannis dream died the moment they fired Masai. Giannis is probably looking directly at the Lakers now.

Another star player maybe worth pursuing is Markkanen. Might he be a better fit next to Scottie? If Cleveland feels they need to move Garland, can a 3 team trade potentially happen with BI going to Cavs, Garland to Utah and Markkanen to the Raps.

Doesn't Markkanen play PF like Scottie? How would that work?

BTW I did not watch Utah garbage team lately. Is Markkanen doing so good that people would trade Scottie for him?
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Post#531 » by dTox » Thu Aug 21, 2025 2:38 pm

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The funny part is they ended up paying OG like 45 million a year. lol.
And reached ECF. OG on this Raps team at that price was not worth it (neither is RJ and possibly IQ) but on the Knicks with multiple all-star level players, OG made much more sense, even if it meant overpaying him

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They didn't reach ECF due to OG, it was Brunson who reached ECF. My wild guess is they reach ECF with Ochai instead of OG.


Who shut down Tatum and Jaylen Brown? OG wasn't brought in for his scoring. And no, they would not have reached ECF with Ochai instead of OG, that is such a ridiculous statement that I am not sure how to even follow up on that lol
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Post#532 » by Raptorfan2012 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 3:03 pm

There seems to be more of a connection between RJ and Masai than maybe Bobby. I wonder if Bobby will just flip RJ for salary savings now that he is the boss.
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Post#533 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Aug 21, 2025 4:03 pm

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OG doesn’t deserve that kind of money. Knicks are fortunate they had Brunson and Bridges on great value contracts. A bad contract is a bad contract regardless of how well they did. OG also struggled in the playoffs. Efficiency was way down.


And yet, he helped them take out the Celtics, this is what they paid him for. Even with a healthy Tatum, they had Boston on the ropes. The money didn't hurt them all that had because both Brunson and Bridges took discounts, they planned everything out pretty well, that's what good front offices do. And they are the likely favorites to reach the finals coming into the next season. Context matters when it comes to contracts, for the Knicks, OG was worth it


I wouldn't call the Knicks situation a very well managed situation. They are $30M into the tax this season, with only 12 players signed. They are considered a top 2 team in the East, only because of Tatum and Hali's injuries.

And next season they are already $5M into the tax, with a roster currently of 9 players. And that is with them using their connections to get Brunson and Bridges to take discounts for now. I'm sure Brunson is getting paid a lot more once he opts out 3 seasons from now.

And they don't have much available to trade to try and improve this team now. All they can do is trade one FRP at a time, when they become available.

Yeah the Knicks are not as good as people want to make them out to be. Good team. Not a great one.

Teams led by small guards typically fail, and Brunson is the smallest of guards.

Not to mention, they have like 7 playable guys and have zero ability to handle any injuries. Which is not good when you have OG, Robinson, KAT.

They also got $158M tied up in Brunson/OG/Hart/KAT for next year. They gotta re-sign Bridges and Robinson somehow and it wouldn't shock me if Bridges is asking for OG money. Can they tie justify tieing $200M up in their SL?
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Post#534 » by ForeverTFC » Thu Aug 21, 2025 4:46 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:There seems to be more of a connection between RJ and Masai than maybe Bobby. I wonder if Bobby will just flip RJ for salary savings now that he is the boss.


What connection? Masai never brought up RJ when discussing the future of the team. He was always a salary filler.
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Post#535 » by oldncreaky » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:09 pm

mihaic wrote:
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bluerap23 wrote:Outside of Giannis, is there really someone (that may realistically want a trade) worth pursuing? Boston isn't trading White or Brown, that would have happened by now. They are going to rebuild around Tatum, Brown and White. I'm still dreaming of Scottie, Yak ++ For Giannis and Turner but I don't see Giannis wanting to consider Toronto any more.


Yea, the Giannis dream died the moment they fired Masai. Giannis is probably looking directly at the Lakers now.

Another star player maybe worth pursuing is Markkanen. Might he be a better fit next to Scottie? If Cleveland feels they need to move Garland, can a 3 team trade potentially happen with BI going to Cavs, Garland to Utah and Markkanen to the Raps.

Doesn't Markkanen play PF like Scottie? How would that work?

BTW I did not watch Utah garbage team lately. Is Markkanen doing so good that people would trade Scottie for him?


Markkhanen last season in Utah: 47 games on a tanking team, 19/6/1 on mediocre efficiency.

As everyone knows who watched the Raptors last year, it is hard to draw conclusions either good or bad from a tanking squad -- but 19/6/1 is kinda damning.

Utah fans keep trying to talk Detroit fans into trading for Markkhanen, but I'm not biting. I don't think he's anywhere close to the tier of Garland or Scottie; I think he's more like a (younger) Tobias Harris tier of player.
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Post#536 » by ConSarnit » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:14 pm

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Raptorfan2012 wrote:There seems to be more of a connection between RJ and Masai than maybe Bobby. I wonder if Bobby will just flip RJ for salary savings now that he is the boss.


What connection? Masai never brought up RJ when discussing the future of the team. He was always a salary filler.


If RJ was actually considered salary filler then taking him on was really bad business. Who willingly takes on 2.5 years of salary filler? 2.5 years of filler just to get IQ?
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Post#537 » by ConSarnit » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:20 pm

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Yea, the Giannis dream died the moment they fired Masai. Giannis is probably looking directly at the Lakers now.

Another star player maybe worth pursuing is Markkanen. Might he be a better fit next to Scottie? If Cleveland feels they need to move Garland, can a 3 team trade potentially happen with BI going to Cavs, Garland to Utah and Markkanen to the Raps.

Doesn't Markkanen play PF like Scottie? How would that work?

BTW I did not watch Utah garbage team lately. Is Markkanen doing so good that people would trade Scottie for him?


Markkhanen last season in Utah: 47 games on a tanking team, 19/6/1 on mediocre efficiency.

As everyone knows who watched the Raptors last year, it is hard to draw conclusions either good or bad from a tanking squad -- but 19/6/1 is kinda damning.

Utah fans keep trying to talk Detroit fans into trading for Markkhanen, but I'm not biting. I don't think he's anywhere close to the tier of Garland or Scottie; I think he's more like a (younger) Tobias Harris tier of player.


I just don’t see that big of a gap (if any) between Markkanen and Ingram. Maybe when Lauri was making $20m but now he’s on a max deal. He also has injury issues.

Lauri might be a slight upgrade to Ingram but he also costs more. He’s not a needle mover on this team if we are just swapping out Ingram for him.
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Post#538 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:22 pm

:D :banghead: RJ as a Raptor / yet he's the burden here?
Here's a breakdown of his stats as a Raptor:
Points per Game: 21.3
Rebounds per Game: 6.3
Assists per Game: 4.9
Steals per Game: 0.8 (for the 2024-25 season)
Minutes per Game: 32.2 (for the 2024-25 season)
Games Played: 90
Field Goal Percentage: 46.8%
Three-Point Percentage: 35.0
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Post#539 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:35 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Fisher been on the Raps n@# the whole summer


He's pretty credible but he's been repeating the same thing over and over again all summer.

We get it. IQ and RJ are on the block.
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Post#540 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Aug 21, 2025 5:36 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote::D :banghead: RJ as a Raptor / yet he's the burden here?
Here's a breakdown of his stats as a Raptor:
Points per Game: 21.3
Rebounds per Game: 6.3
Assists per Game: 4.9
Steals per Game: 0.8 (for the 2024-25 season)
Minutes per Game: 32.2 (for the 2024-25 season)
Games Played: 90
Field Goal Percentage: 46.8%
Three-Point Percentage: 35.0


With his usage bound to drop this season, and him slated to be the 3rd/4th option, I think he'll be a lot more effective and efficient.

I actually think he has the potential to be a very good defender. He's shown flashes of it in the past.
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