Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

[KrazyP]

McCaw is the ultimate invisible man. Its like he's not really helping or hurting us for the most part. The only time I notice him is when he gets subbed in and I start thinking about all the other players nurse should be playing instead. Nurse just knows if he puts McCaw out there, hes not gonna mess anything up, even if he doesn't really do anything special. Guy is the ultimate bot, hes just there to move the ball and be a neutral defender.

By playing 4 on 5 on offense when he’s out there, he’s hurting us.

We aren't really though, teams still guard him. He just isn't an aggressive player. Its not like he passes on open looks or takes bad shots. He's basically just the designated 5th option every time he's on the court, that's fine because we have a lot of other guys that are better offensive players to take the shots. If good teams decide not to play him on D, and he doesn't make them pay, that is when he won't be playing anymore. Our offense as a whole has had no issue as of late with McCaw playing. I'd rather see TD, Boucher and Matt Thomas get his minutes, but the fact is McCaw hasn't done to bad in the roll he's been given.

Good post.

Why does Nurse play him?

- He 's a decent defender
- high ball IQ
- On offense he makes cuts and has a decent enough shot where opposing defenses cant simply just sag off him
- He can handle the ball without turning it over
- decent passer...makes quick decisions with the ball

He's basically a guy you can throw out there that will be net neutral.... a guy who will have no impact on the game in a positive or negative way. He's like investing in a GIC that pays 2% to just keep pace with the rate of inflation.

I can see the logic in playing a guy like this if its for the purpose of reducing the load/minutes on Lowry/Vanvleet but thats not he case here. Lowry and VanVleet are still play 35 mpg. McCaw is taking minutes away from Terence Davis which makes no sense at all. . Even with the rookie mistakes factored in, Davis is a positive impact player....both the eye test and all advanced stats show this.

Terence Davis = rotation player
Patrick McCaw = 12th man

For some reason some the wires in Nurse's brain got crossed and he flipped the roles for these 2 players around.

[Johnny Bball]

Logically speaking and joking aside...what do you guys think Nurse actually likes fron Mccaw?

It has to be something. Is it his low turnover rate? Does Nurse feel safer thinking the Ball is in his hands when one of Lowry/FVV is on the bench?

I'll try one last time...but I really don't have much care for it after this.

He doesn't need the ball and barely gets even a touch on offense in the half-court and it's a non-issue for him. He's not played point since everyone was healthy. He rarely turns the ball over though, you're right. Passes well. With the bench they tend to load up down low and PNR at the top anyway. At least when Boucher is out there. Can't say I'm a fan of that, but it keeps 3 defenders down low. I mean... people really need to watch how often he even gets the ball... its maybe 5 time a game in the half-court. He spreads the floor enough that he's not left all alone.

He plays good defense regardless of what anyone here tells you, especially help and zone. He denies his man the ball and and denies drives well, excepting elite players.

But mostly (and I think people really just willfully ignore this)....He's 6-7 and he's longer, and RHJ is injured so he's first off the bench for OG because OG guards the best player so he tires quickest. OG comes back on for Siakam and plays PF and PM stays at SF. TD is a far better offensive player but makes more mistakes on defense (help and zone). Nurse makes defense a priority. We score well anyway.

That's what I see. But what does it matter. These are things most people don't care about The guy is a lightning rod.

And I also think there is something to keeping TD2 reasonably affordable for this summer/fall, and still useful for a long season as a rookie, but I might be a bit offside with that.

Edit; I love the GIC metaphor in the post above.

[Alfred]

Its not like he passes on open looks

Yes, he literally does.

[Oakvillehoops]

He doesn’t even bring energy.. I’ve never seen a player who should be so desperate to just to stay in the NBA jog around the court as lethargically as him

[Grew]

Its not like he passes on open looks

Yes, he literally does.

I don't have many moments when I'm thinking "Pat shoulda put that one up" when I'm watching the games. His release is kinda slow, so sometimes he pump fakes and drives on a shot someone like Matt Thomas or Norm would jack, but when that happens it seems to be within the flow of the offense, then we generally get a better shot somewhere else in the possession.

[spicy4MVP]

Watch on YouTube

I found this video to be a very useful breakdown of McCaw's role on the team and how he impacts the team.
If you wish to share or add some information relevant to the thread's title, feel free. I would love to know your opinion on his role and impact... is it positive? negative? neutral? are we overfreaking out or are we digging ourselves a deeper hole for the play offs?

[Basketball_Jones]

Yogi Stewart 2.0

[Boogie!]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Im glad you have a better handle on this situation then Nurse does. Maybe you should coach the ASG?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

There's a weird thing that happens on this board where people will find ways to defend players when they're unproductive but also still find ways to **** on players when they're putting up great numbers. It usually involves defense and iq on both ends of the argument. Either, "it's okay that he's putting up a goose egg because he provides defense and has good iq" or "yeah he scored 20 points but he's a horrible defender with bad iq." always makes it sound like defense and iq matters more than anything else when talking about contribution to the team.

In the case of mccaw he reminds me a lot of Luis Scola or Michael curry from the Kevin o'neal days. Of course he's not completely useless, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find things he does well, but at the end of the day there's more talented guys on the team that shokls be taking his minutes for the sake of the teams potential and their own personal development but for some reason because the coach likes a specific part of his game he's getting minutes. At the end of the day if you're seriously trying to win games, mccaw doesn't Need to be playing.

Im glad you have a better handle on this situation then Nurse does. Maybe you should coach the ASG?

I think i had a better handle of playing bargs than some raptor coaches, but no one has asked me to coach the allstar game, nor do i think i could be an nba coach.... thanks for your post.

[Ackshun]

Using 82games.com, a few things baffle me;

1) out of 20 lineup combinations, only 3 line ups with TD have a negative +/- rating. This is in contrast to McCaw's 9, with the others coming in very close to the zero mark. Awful.

2) with TD on the court, we are +13.3 ppg. McCaw, a -5.8 per 48.

3) stats on this website prove Gasol is possible our MVP. It also stats Ibaka is a minus on the court for us.

[LoveMyRaps]

When you get 22 minutes of playing time against one of the worst teams in the league and still put up 0 points and don't even get a single steal or block... it means you're not supposed to be playing in the NBA, at least not for a team that's contending for a title.

Simply put, McCaw is one of the worst players in the league.

[Johnny Bball]

Lol at the 180 degree turn and the title.

[WeThe2019Champs]

He's just a placeholder for now eating up minutes. Hopefully TD & Norm will see more minutes in April. Let our starting/talented players play.

[dalton749]

You win basketball games by scoring more points that the other team. McCaw doesn’t help do that, or help rebound and give his team more chances, or create chances for others, or stop the other team from getting points particularly better than other guys on the roster.

You don’t need stats to tell you he’s awful, they just help to confirm it. Him playing is truly
Mind boggling.

[KingSebastian]

McCaw is keeping legs fresh. I doubt he gets any significant minutes come playoffs

Gasol
Siakam
Ibaka
OG
Norm
Fred
Lowry
TD


That's 8....and TD won't play more than 8-10



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[EH15]

We know he will entirely be rendered useless in a conference finals or semi-finals. So the silver lining now is he's taking minutes away from another player who we might need later, lessening the opportunity for an injury. Unfortunately, those guys include a duo of Davis and OG.

But having him on the weakside just makes Siakam's right block post-ups so much harder. I think it's partly why Siakam's struggling so much finishing back towards the middle. He's being met with 2 and 3 defenders after he makes his move. He doesn't crash the board, he doesn't pick up full court to slow the possession down, doesn't shoot when he gets the ball and immediately reverses the ball, resulting in a broken possession. He can't screen after the ball reversal cause that puts two guys on the ball handler and us in a bad spot. So he spaces out and rinse and repeat.

[Ksessel15]

I can leave the analytics to others. But I’ve watched every game this year and he has only had a few good games for us. The sample size is big enough now. He doesn’t do anything well.

-he is rarely ready to shoot
-he doesn’t break down defences
-he is too thin and gets bullied by bigger players or pick and roll action
-he can’t break a press
-he doesn’t rebound well

I honestly don’t know what he does well tbh. I have no idea why NN keeps playing him over TD.

[mdenny]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.

[Ksessel15]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball and are essentially playing a version of roulette when they watch. Ie shot goes in : I feel good/shot doesn't go in : I feel bad

Basketball is pretty complicated stuff. You might be a moron and noone cares about your fantasy league or your proline cards.

Zee Raptors have the third best record in the NBA AFTER losing two starters. One of whom was the Chip MVP.

Bow down before the one you serve. You insufferable ****. We are witnessing some historic coaching and team play. There is no precedent for this year's Raptor's team. EVER. EVERRRRRRRRRR.

We are writing a completely new storyline that has no historic precedent. EVER.

Anyone that wants to tarnish that because of their office NBA pool can go **** themselves. Seriously. You aren't real fans.

I have no idea what you’re talking about