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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#541 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:41 pm

mtcan wrote:
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mtcan wrote:In that case...ok Boomer.


Exactly. I'm not the one getting all worked up over a difference of opinion and resorting to name-calling or threatening censorship. I'm open to all forms of discussion, just not with malice.

I'm not getting worked up. This is fun. But I'm not getting into a pissing contest with gramps. Not worth my time.


There you go again. You are obviously getting worked up, just relax. This is just a message board, go out and get some fresh air.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#542 » by mtcan » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:42 pm

13th Man wrote:
mtcan wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Exactly. I'm not the one getting all worked up over a difference of opinion and resorting to name-calling or threatening censorship. I'm open to all forms of discussion, just not with malice.

I'm not getting worked up. This is fun. But I'm not getting into a pissing contest with gramps. Not worth my time.


There you go again. You are obviously getting worked up, just relax. This is just a message board, go out and get some fresh air.

No...like I said...I'm good. I'm here to troll seniors like you.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#543 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:45 pm

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
and yet, you choose to form your opinion based upon a subset of the full data and facts to support your opinion and attempt to pass off your opinion and it's conclusion as truth. As I already stated, it's not scientific and if you are doing it intentionally, it's disingenuous.


Do you even know what an opinion is? There is clear double standard here. When I express an opinion, you make it out to be a published thesis but you guys can express your opinion without recourse?

Sounds fair.


Totally fair. I've stated my opinion multiple times. Here it is again.

YOUR opinion on mask wearing is solely based upon a subset of facts, therefore YOUR opinion with regards to 'masks doing more harm than good' is a garbage hot take.


How about I quote what I initially said to put things into perspective a little better. The mainstream media does this all the time, they take parts of a statement without quoting the rest which makes a huge difference to its meaning.


"Social distancing yes. Masks, no for the most part. Not the masks that most people wear which are medical grade or cloth. The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

After reading this, I believe that unless they are N95 grade, masks do more harm than good. I've always suspected this to be true and all of the studies from the link just confirms it."
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#544 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:46 pm

I am open-minded enough to concede that medical grade masks are effective as well if used by all parties and used properly but what I see mostly from the general public are people wearing cloth masks in which they're most likely using them over and over before washing.

This is why we have these types of discussion. I would appreciate this over name-calling and threats of censorship whenever someone has a differing opinion than yours.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#545 » by Lukeem » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:48 pm

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Conservatives threatening us with a good time once again LOL

(that's a FB tag group)

Most decent people wish FB was left-leaning. It's quite literally a platform of white supremacy. I got a three-day ban for a post with nothing but these three words: "Typical white privilege".

People have started spelling white as wyt and wheat so they don't get picked up.


Again, that is your opinion and you're entitled to it no matter how wrong it is. FB has blatantly deleted posts from conservatives, even moreso than the other way. They've been exposed on video as doing such.


I would love to see someone try to quantify that. Your statement is based on nothing.


Even if it was quantifiable it would be interesting to see what percentage of deleted conservative content falls under hate speech or other extremist holocaust denying type of material. Not just the amount that is deleted but the actual content matters as well.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#546 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:54 pm

13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Do you even know what an opinion is? There is clear double standard here. When I express an opinion, you make it out to be a published thesis but you guys can express your opinion without recourse?

Sounds fair.


Totally fair. I've stated my opinion multiple times. Here it is again.

YOUR opinion on mask wearing is solely based upon a subset of facts, therefore YOUR opinion with regards to 'masks doing more harm than good' is a garbage hot take.


How about I quote what I initially said to put things into perspective a little better. The mainstream media does this all the time, they take parts of a statement without quoting the rest which makes a huge difference to its meaning.


"Social distancing yes. Masks, no for the most part. Not the masks that most people wear which are medical grade or cloth. The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

After reading this, I believe that unless they are N95 grade, masks do more harm than good. I've always suspected this to be true and all of the studies from the link just confirms it."


yup, 'non-n95 masks do more harm than good' is still a garbage hot take of an opinion regardless of how many times you state it.

I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post.

It shows a complete disdain for open and genuine discussion and it shows your opinion to be one that is uniformed.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#547 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:00 pm

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
Totally fair. I've stated my opinion multiple times. Here it is again.

YOUR opinion on mask wearing is solely based upon a subset of facts, therefore YOUR opinion with regards to 'masks doing more harm than good' is a garbage hot take.


How about I quote what I initially said to put things into perspective a little better. The mainstream media does this all the time, they take parts of a statement without quoting the rest which makes a huge difference to its meaning.


"Social distancing yes. Masks, no for the most part. Not the masks that most people wear which are medical grade or cloth. The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

After reading this, I believe that unless they are N95 grade, masks do more harm than good. I've always suspected this to be true and all of the studies from the link just confirms it."


yup, 'non-n95 masks do more harm than good' is still a garbage hot take of an opinion regardless of how many times you state it.

I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post.

It shows a complete disdain for open and genuine discussion and it shows your opinion to be one that is uniformed.


Where are those reviews? I am interested in the ones citing the effectiveness of cloth masks while at the same time acknowledging any negative ramifications of wearing masks as well. Just because you say they exist doesn't mean I have to take it as truth.

There is no disdain on my part bro, seems like it's mostly from the other side. I'm not the one resorting to childish name-calling or malicious ridicule. Just stating an opinion based on the facts that I have come across.

Anyhow, I'm tuning out for the day, have some real work to catch up on.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#548 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:17 pm

13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
How about I quote what I initially said to put things into perspective a little better. The mainstream media does this all the time, they take parts of a statement without quoting the rest which makes a huge difference to its meaning.


"Social distancing yes. Masks, no for the most part. Not the masks that most people wear which are medical grade or cloth. The only masks that are really effective against covid and influenza are N95 masks.

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

After reading this, I believe that unless they are N95 grade, masks do more harm than good. I've always suspected this to be true and all of the studies from the link just confirms it."


yup, 'non-n95 masks do more harm than good' is still a garbage hot take of an opinion regardless of how many times you state it.

I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post.

It shows a complete disdain for open and genuine discussion and it shows your opinion to be one that is uniformed.


Where are those reviews? I am interested in the ones citing the effectiveness of cloth masks while at the same time acknowledging any negative ramifications of wearing masks as well. Just because you say they exist doesn't mean I have to take it as truth.


Well, by your obvious question, those reviews aren't in the link to the 'facts' you provided. You can refuse to acknowledge they exist, but you do have the ability to fact check me on it if you choose.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#549 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:30 pm

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
yup, 'non-n95 masks do more harm than good' is still a garbage hot take of an opinion regardless of how many times you state it.

I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post.

It shows a complete disdain for open and genuine discussion and it shows your opinion to be one that is uniformed.


Where are those reviews? I am interested in the ones citing the effectiveness of cloth masks while at the same time acknowledging any negative ramifications of wearing masks as well. Just because you say they exist doesn't mean I have to take it as truth.


Well, by your obvious question, those reviews aren't in the link to the 'facts' you provided. You can refuse to acknowledge they exist, but you do have the ability to fact check me on it if you choose.


I'm sorry but I think that there is disconnect in communication.

You stated, "I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post."

I am merely asking for you to point me to these peer-reviewed evidence that you've mentioned many times over. How is this a refusal to acknowledge that they exist?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#550 » by icoholic » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:34 pm

13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Where are those reviews? I am interested in the ones citing the effectiveness of cloth masks while at the same time acknowledging any negative ramifications of wearing masks as well. Just because you say they exist doesn't mean I have to take it as truth.


Well, by your obvious question, those reviews aren't in the link to the 'facts' you provided. You can refuse to acknowledge they exist, but you do have the ability to fact check me on it if you choose.


I'm sorry but I think that there is disconnect in communication.

You stated, "I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post."

I am merely asking for you to point me to these peer-reviewed evidence that you've mentioned many times over. How is this a refusal to acknowledge that they exist?


The Dunning-Kruger is strong with you. Just stop.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#551 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:36 pm

icoholic wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
Well, by your obvious question, those reviews aren't in the link to the 'facts' you provided. You can refuse to acknowledge they exist, but you do have the ability to fact check me on it if you choose.


I'm sorry but I think that there is disconnect in communication.

You stated, "I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post."

I am merely asking for you to point me to these peer-reviewed evidence that you've mentioned many times over. How is this a refusal to acknowledge that they exist?


The Dunning-Kruger is strong with you. Just stop.


Stop what? Asking if I can look at facts?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#552 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:52 pm

13th Man wrote:
icoholic wrote:
13th Man wrote:
I'm sorry but I think that there is disconnect in communication.

You stated, "I've mentioned multiple times now that there is a ton of peer-reviewed evidence with regards to cloth masks decreasing airborne droplets which directly results in lower probabilities of infection of others, yet you have yet to even acknowledge any of that data or facts in any post."

I am merely asking for you to point me to these peer-reviewed evidence that you've mentioned many times over. How is this a refusal to acknowledge that they exist?


The Dunning-Kruger is strong with you. Just stop.


Stop what? Asking if I can look at facts?


nobody is currently stopping you from looking at facts. Furthermore, nobody is telling you what to believe. You can believe my statement or not and if you want to rebut my claim, you have google scholar to fact check me.

btw, I'm not going to provide facts out of spite based upon your statement:

Just because you say they exist doesn't mean I have to take it as truth.


It's just the poorest of the poor of logical fallacies. ie: if I state cotton tailed rabbits inhabit Australia, what level of proof would I need to provide for you to 'take is as truth'?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#553 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:59 pm

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
icoholic wrote:
The Dunning-Kruger is strong with you. Just stop.


Stop what? Asking if I can look at facts?


nobody is currently stopping you from looking at facts. Furthermore, nobody is telling you what to believe. You can believe my statement or not and if you want to rebut my claim, you have google scholar to fact check me.


Just trying to have a straight-forward discussion, nothing disingenuous.

I posted an article, you guys called it bunk and referred to more credible sources of information. I asked if I could see it, a pretty logical and reasonable request imo. If you don't want to provide it, no skin off my back. I'll just stick with the facts that I have.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#554 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:04 pm

13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Stop what? Asking if I can look at facts?


nobody is currently stopping you from looking at facts. Furthermore, nobody is telling you what to believe. You can believe my statement or not and if you want to rebut my claim, you have google scholar to fact check me.


Just trying to have a straight-forward discussion, nothing disingenuous.

I posted an article, you guys called it bunk and referred to more credible sources of information. I asked if I could see it, a pretty logical and reasonable request imo. If you don't want to provide it, no skin off my back. I'll just stick with the facts that I have.


I gave you a source, https://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

type in whatever you want to try and find to rebut my statement and read away.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#555 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:08 pm

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
nobody is currently stopping you from looking at facts. Furthermore, nobody is telling you what to believe. You can believe my statement or not and if you want to rebut my claim, you have google scholar to fact check me.


Just trying to have a straight-forward discussion, nothing disingenuous.

I posted an article, you guys called it bunk and referred to more credible sources of information. I asked if I could see it, a pretty logical and reasonable request imo. If you don't want to provide it, no skin off my back. I'll just stick with the facts that I have.


I gave you a source, https://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

type in whatever you want to try and find to rebut my statement and read away.


Wow ok. So much for having tons of peer-reviewed evidence. Just refer to Google.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#556 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:12 pm

13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Just trying to have a straight-forward discussion, nothing disingenuous.

I posted an article, you guys called it bunk and referred to more credible sources of information. I asked if I could see it, a pretty logical and reasonable request imo. If you don't want to provide it, no skin off my back. I'll just stick with the facts that I have.


I gave you a source, https://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

type in whatever you want to try and find to rebut my statement and read away.


Wow ok. So much for having tons of peer-reviewed evidence. Just refer to Google.


If you aren't aware of how Google Scholar works, and choose to cite a blogger for all your 'facts', my point is made.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#557 » by ItsDanger » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:20 pm

I typed cloth masks bioaerosols in your link. 3rd result had this conclusion:

"Common fabric materials and cloth masks showed a wide variation in penetration values for polydisperse (40–90%) as well as monodisperse aerosol particles in the 20–1000 nm range (40–97%) at 5.5 cm s−1 face velocity. The penetration levels obtained for fabric materials against both polydisperse and monodisperse aerosols were much higher than the value for the control N95 respirator filter media but were in the range found for some surgical masks in previous studies. Penetrations of monodisperse aerosol particles slightly increased at 16.5 cm s−1 face velocity, while polydisperse aerosols showed no significant effect except one fabric mask with an increase. The penetration values obtained for common fabric materials indicate that only marginal respiratory protection can be expected for submicron particles taking into consideration face seal leakage."

So, not dissimilar to surgical masks. No one argues that they do not reduce probability. The real question is: are they effective in longer durations, smaller areas, higher viral loads, etc? i.e. are they good enough? I guess it depends on your environment. For healthcare workers? NO.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#558 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:25 pm

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Local_NG_Idiot wrote:
I gave you a source, https://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

type in whatever you want to try and find to rebut my statement and read away.


Wow ok. So much for having tons of peer-reviewed evidence. Just refer to Google.


If you aren't aware of how Google Scholar works, and choose to cite a blogger for all your 'facts', my point is made.


Because there are hundreds or thousands of articles of all different nature. At least I provided an article with direct and relevant studies to the discussion. You've provided little but condescendence.

Came across this article via a quick search using your tool:

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1422.short

Here is a blurb from it:

But are they effective?
Very little good quality research exists on the use of cloth masks, especially in non-medical settings. One randomised controlled clinical trial of cloth masks, published in BMJ Open in 2015, compared their effectiveness with that of medical masks worn by hospital healthcare workers.2 The study, involving the industry partner 3M (which makes medical masks), reported that healthcare workers “should not use cloth masks as protection against respiratory infection. Cloth masks resulted in significantly higher rates of infection than medical masks, and also performed worse than the control arm.”

In an updated comment on the study (30 March),3 the authors said, “There have been a number of laboratory studies looking at the effectiveness of different types of cloth materials, single versus multiple layers and about the role that filters can play. However, none have been tested in a clinical trial for efficacy.”

They also advised healthcare workers who choose to wear cloth masks to “have at least two and cycle them, so that each one can be washed and dried after daily use. Sanitizer spray or UV disinfection boxes can be used to clean them during breaks in a single day. These are pragmatic, rather than evidence-based suggestions, given the situation.”

A preprint of a rapid systematic review has assessed the current evidence on respiratory illnesses and the use of face masks (mainly surgical paper masks) in community settings.4 The paper, yet to be peer reviewed, included 31 studies, of which 12 were randomised controlled trials. The researchers reported that “wearing facemasks can be very slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks.” However, they said that many of the studies “suffered from poor compliance and controls.”

They concluded, “The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against covid-19. However, there is enough evidence to support the use of facemasks for short periods of time by particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.”

Commenting on these findings, Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading, said, “There is only very limited evidence of the benefits of wearing face masks by the general public, no evidence that wearing them in crowded places helps at all, and no evidence at all yet related to covid-19 . . . The authors also acknowledge that mass face mask wearing by the public would likely cause shortages among people who genuinely need protective equipment—healthcare workers on the front line in our hospitals.”

But Ian Jones, professor of virology at the University of Reading, said, “If an aerosol droplet hits the weave of the mask fabric rather than the hole it is clearly arrested. And lessening the aerosol dose chips away at the R0 [reproduction number] and helps to slow the epidemic . . . They are not a cure but they address the longer flatter epidemic curve everyone is trying to achieve.”
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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(746 new cases Oct 13th) 

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Re: OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread ***(797 new cases Oct 8th) 

Post#560 » by Local_NG_Idiot » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:02 pm

ItsDanger wrote:I typed cloth masks bioaerosols in your link. 3rd result had this conclusion:

"Common fabric materials and cloth masks showed a wide variation in penetration values for polydisperse (40–90%) as well as monodisperse aerosol particles in the 20–1000 nm range (40–97%) at 5.5 cm s−1 face velocity. The penetration levels obtained for fabric materials against both polydisperse and monodisperse aerosols were much higher than the value for the control N95 respirator filter media but were in the range found for some surgical masks in previous studies. Penetrations of monodisperse aerosol particles slightly increased at 16.5 cm s−1 face velocity, while polydisperse aerosols showed no significant effect except one fabric mask with an increase. The penetration values obtained for common fabric materials indicate that only marginal respiratory protection can be expected for submicron particles taking into consideration face seal leakage."

So, not dissimilar to surgical masks. No one argues that they do not reduce probability.



13th Man wrote:But Ian Jones, professor of virology at the University of Reading, said, “If an aerosol droplet hits the weave of the mask fabric rather than the hole it is clearly arrested. And lessening the aerosol dose chips away at the R0 [reproduction number] and helps to slow the epidemic . . . They are not a cure but they address the longer flatter epidemic curve everyone is trying to achieve.”



Glad to see both of you site studies where the facts lead to the conclusion that cloth masks do 'more good than harm' and should be worn in public to lower the probability of infection and therefore help in flattening the curve.

You know, the very opposite of what 13th Man had made claims to.

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