2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[hyper316]

Sixers have a short window with Embiid with knee pains. I see them go all in Lowry if they don't win this year

Maxey + Reed + 1FRP + Green

[Morris_Shatford]

While the Sixers may be amongst the teams who would benefit most from a Lowry acquisition this summer;
It becomes complicated for them to do so.

Green who was the most logical salary match for any inbound @ 15m is off the books this summer;
Leaving them with George Hills 9.5m-ish as their best potential matching contract which is light if Lowry is still hunting for a salary in the 25m range.

The time for the Sixers to have made a move for Lowry was at the deadline, I think it will be a challenge without some fancy footwork this summer.

[tecumseh18]

While the Sixers may be amongst the teams who would benefit most from a Lowry acquisition this summer;
It becomes complicated for them to do so.

Green who was the most logical salary match for any inbound @ 15m is off the books this summer;
Leaving them with George Hills 9.5m-ish as their best potential matching contract which is light if Lowry is still hunting for a salary in the 25m range.

The time for the Sixers to have made a move for Lowry was at the deadline, I think it will be a challenge without some fancy footwork this summer.

Agreed. And we're not sure what the hell Riley plans to do in Miami. And if the Raps want to be competitive, why trade Lowry within the conference?

I think the most likely scenario is that Raps sign Lowry to come back for ~20 mill, and trade him to a contender during the season. Unless of course the Lakers offer their #22 and Kuzma (@ his new $13 mill contract) + baggage. But if Clippers give us Zubac, Terance Mann AND the #25, that's pretty enticing too.

[Morris_Shatford]

Agreed. And we're not sure what the hell Riley plans to do in Miami. And if the Raps want to be competitive, why trade Lowry within the conference?

I think the most likely scenario is that Raps sign Lowry to come back for ~20 mill, and trade him to a contender during the season. Unless of course the Lakers offer their #22 and Kuzma (@ his new $13 mill contract) + baggage. But if Clippers give us Zubac, Terance Mann AND the #25, that's pretty enticing too.

The Heat assuming they plan to keep Nunn and Robinson have around 20m in cap space but like 7 or 8 empty roster spots;
I am not as concerned about them as I am the Mavs who can potentially walk away from their holds and have 25m w/ 11 guys still on their roster. You sacrifice keeping THJ but it may be worth it to them.

I tend to agree if the FA / Trade market doesn't yield anything better we may as well keep Lowry on a 1 + 1 where the second year is a partially guaranteed team option (assuming he is okay with that). Then if we are not improved next season he can be moved ahead of the deadline.

[tecumseh18]

The Heat assuming they plan to keep Nunn and Robinson have around 20m in cap space but like 7 or 8 empty roster spots;
I am not as concerned about them as I am the Mavs who can potentially walk away from their holds and have 25m w/ 11 guys still on their roster. You sacrifice keeping THJ but it may be worth it to them.

THJ shot really well in the Clippers series. Of course, he's not the "superstar" you need to pair with Luka to make for a legit contender. But to let him walk just doesn't seem reasonable, unless there's a clear "one step back, two steps forward" strategy. In which case, Lowry wouldn't fit into that timeline at all.

Man, it's tough navigating the "young superstar" waters in trying to build a contender. Did Atlanta do right it with Trae? They brought in Bogdan and Gallo. They're a good team, but that's obviously not enough. What's the plan to get to the next level? Signing and trading Collins for a mobile defensive forward who can really shoot? Who's giving those away?

Ideally, you draft a superstar and then strip the team down and tank for two more years. The OKC model should have worked, but they couldn't afford Harden. Sixers would have worked except for the Fultz fiasco. But I'd like to think Cade or Mobley plus Pascal, Fred and OG and good role players who can defend AND shoot the lights out (Harris? Trent? Flynn? Watson? Olynyk?) should be eventually good enough to contend. But maybe not.

Oh - I forgot to mention my favourite scenario. DeMar and Kyle to the Knicks. Their 50 mill in cap space should easily cover that plus another role player.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/mortenjensen/2021/06/14/hoop-dreams-how-iffe-lundberg-hopes-to-become-first-dane-in-nba/?sh=8ee03897bcee

BK got Mike James by just signing him from CSKA. What about his replacement? Gabriel "Iffe" Lundberg

[MessiahUjiri]

Background:

• Philly have expressed an interest in a Lowry Sign and Trade.
• Lakers need back court help, to help Lebron and AD.
• Raptors are looking for talent and pick accumulation.

Here's the deal:

Philly in: Kyle Lowry (~$20M via SnT)
Philly out: George Hill, Seth Curry, 2021 1st (28th)

Toronto in: George Hill, Kyle Kuzma, 2021 28th pick
Toronto out: Kyle Lowry, Deandre Bembry

Lakers in: Seth Curry, Deandre Bembry
Lakers out: Kyle Kuzma

Minor note: Philly needs to guarantee the ~$10M contract for George Hill to make this work


Why for Philly: Go for the championship with a true point guard. Lowry is better value than Curry + 28th
Why for Toronto: Get good talent for facilitating a trade.
Why for the Lakers: Curry and KCP become the lights out floor spaces for Lebron + AD


Fred / Trent / OG / Siakam / (MLE Center: Olynyk/Theis)
Flynn / Hill / Kuzma / Boucher / Birch
Add in 4 picks: 7th, 28th, 2 seconds.

[DangerZone13]

I really think that a trade would have to be "too good to refuse" for the Raptors to move FVV. Even if the team goes young, I would think Freddie is the primary holdover from the Championship season (OG wasn't much or a factor due to injury), and when Kyle eventually calls it a day, he's the locker room leader. We've already seen it with cooling down GTJ.

With Spicy's injury likely delaying a potential Boucher sale, S&T's with Lowry and/or Trent, or possibly our picks are our only real trade fodder.

[Ell Curry]

I really think that a trade would have to be "too good to refuse" for the Raptors to move FVV. Even if the team goes young, I would think Freddie is the primary holdover from the Championship season (OG wasn't much or a factor due to injury), and when Kyle eventually calls it a day, he's the locker room leader. We've already seen it with cooling down GTJ.

With Spicy's injury likely delaying a potential Boucher sale, S&T's with Lowry and/or Trent, or possibly our picks are our only real trade fodder.

That does go both ways, though. If you're a talented young team that's also a mess and doesn't have a proper leader or PG like the Pelicans, Wolves or some others, maybe overpaying for Van Vleet seems like a decent idea.

[agkagk]

I really think that a trade would have to be "too good to refuse" for the Raptors to move FVV. Even if the team goes young, I would think Freddie is the primary holdover from the Championship season (OG wasn't much or a factor due to injury), and when Kyle eventually calls it a day, he's the locker room leader. We've already seen it with cooling down GTJ.

With Spicy's injury likely delaying a potential Boucher sale, S&T's with Lowry and/or Trent, or possibly our picks are our only real trade fodder.

That does go both ways, though. If you're a talented young team that's also a mess and doesn't have a proper leader or PG like the Pelicans, Wolves or some others, maybe overpaying for Van Vleet seems like a decent idea.

Minnesota isn’t that smart

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Gerson’s first idea was to have KAT, DLo, and Wiggins all on max deals. He’s not up to it.

[tecumseh18]

Apropos of nothing, what would we trade for Giannis? If we stay at 7/8, the pick for sure, and 2023 unprotected and 2025 Top 4 protected, plus pick swaps. If we move up to 3 or 4 this year, I'd still do it. Top 2 - probably not. I'd rather keep Cade or Mobley.

We'll have at least 20 mill in cap space if we let Lowry walk and keep Boucher, so we don't need to completely match Gianni's supermax $39 mill salary. Fred's salary would be enough. But with Jrue, would the Bucks even want Fred? And do the Raps want to be without Fred AND Kyle?

If I were the Bucks, I'd ask for OG and Boucher along with the picks. And as a homer Raptors fan who overvalues his own players, I wouldn't give them OG. Nope. No way.

Pascal, sure. But his surgery may make that impossible this summer.

[biglottoballs]

Basic off-season that covers rebounding, pick and roll offense, and should equal playoffs next season.
Draft Sengun.
Trade Boucher for 15th (Giddey).
Trade 2nds for Ayo Dosunmo.
Sign Lonzo Ball (80M / 4 years), Kelly Olynyk MLE.
Re-sign GTJ.

The starting center position will be up for grabs at training camp. I can see Sengun easily out shining Gillespie and Birch. He's with his Olympic team in the summer and will be continuously developing until camp starts.

Boucher is a bit older and has high value. Giddey is a raw prospect that needs time in the Gleague to get to the physical level of the NBA. I could see him getting called up during his rookie season if the transition is as smooth as LaMelo had it.

Ayo Dosumo is going to be a steal. Big guards that get hit rolling bigs is lethal in today's league. It improves overall team offense. This is the biggest reason I have interest in Giddey, Ayo, and Sengun. They have immense playmaking potential off the short roll, pin downs, and transition.

I would sign Lonzo Ball for 4 seasons building up on an 80M contract. At the end of his contract I would decide between him or Giddey or do some kind of asset management. The hope would be that Giddey develops to overtake Ball, then Ball could be traded for another team need.

Kelly Olynyk was a part of the conference rival Heat squad and his stretch ability would help Siakam, Sengun, and OG in the post. He's a great passer as well and would help our offense.

For asset retention purposes I would keep GTJ as the sixth man scorer off the bench.

Nets
Bucks
76ers
Atlanta

Boston
Miami
Raptors

Bulls
Knicks
Wizards

The Raptors would be a 2nd tier team until Sengun, OG, Ball, Fred, or Trent Jr start playing at all star levels or super role players for Siakam. The best shot would be to obtain a top 5 NBA player or develop multiple top 20 players. The latter is definition possible. I would project Fred and OG as borderline all stars next season and hopefully Siakam get return to form.

[Morris_Shatford]

Apropos of nothing, what would we trade for Giannis? If we stay at 7/8, the pick for sure, and 2023 unprotected and 2025 Top 4 protected, plus pick swaps. If we move up to 3 or 4 this year, I'd still do it. Top 2 - probably not. I'd rather keep Cade or Mobley.

We'll have at least 20 mill in cap space if we let Lowry walk and keep Boucher, so we don't need to completely match Gianni's supermax $39 mill salary. Fred's salary would be enough. But with Jrue, would the Bucks even want Fred? And do the Raps want to be without Fred AND Kyle?

If I were the Bucks, I'd ask for OG and Boucher along with the picks. And as a homer Raptors fan who overvalues his own players, I wouldn't give them OG. Nope. No way.

Pascal, sure. But his surgery may make that impossible this summer.

I think the cost of admission is likely around max FRPs and max Pick Swaps along with salaries to match;

[Spida888]

Apropos of nothing, what would we trade for Giannis? If we stay at 7/8, the pick for sure, and 2023 unprotected and 2025 Top 4 protected, plus pick swaps. If we move up to 3 or 4 this year, I'd still do it. Top 2 - probably not. I'd rather keep Cade or Mobley.

We'll have at least 20 mill in cap space if we let Lowry walk and keep Boucher, so we don't need to completely match Gianni's supermax $39 mill salary. Fred's salary would be enough. But with Jrue, would the Bucks even want Fred? And do the Raps want to be without Fred AND Kyle?

If I were the Bucks, I'd ask for OG and Boucher along with the picks. And as a homer Raptors fan who overvalues his own players, I wouldn't give them OG. Nope. No way.

Pascal, sure. But his surgery may make that impossible this summer.

I think the cost of admission is likely around max FRPs and max Pick Swaps along with salaries to match;

Yeah it would take a lot, and I'm not sure it would be worth it honestly.

In these playoffs he hasn't proven to me that he's got the killer instinct nor skillset to be that best player on a championship level team.

Last night when he didn't go hard at a hobbled Harden and instead took a fadeaway jumper, I lost faith in this guy.

[Blood Orange]

Apparently Raps were interested in trading for Shroeder at the trade deadline because he turned down the Lakers extension, as they felt it would be unlikely that they retain him in FA. It appears that they're likely going to need a PG come next year and will be shopping for a new one this offseason. I see a potential S&T with Lowry going to Lala Land.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-dennis-schroder-los-angeles-lakers-free-agency

Lakers out: KCP + THT + Harrell + Gasol + 2021 FRP
Lakers in: Lowry (S&T)

Raptors in: KCP + THT + Harrell + Gasol + 2021 FRP
Raptors out: Lowry (S&T)

[OAKLEY_2]

LeBron: where ma team?

[douggood]

Apparently Raps were interested in trading for Shroeder at the trade deadline because he turned down the Lakers extension, as they felt it would be unlikely that they retain him in FA. It appears that they're likely going to need a PG come next year and will be shopping for a new one this offseason. I see a potential S&T with Lowry going to Lala Land.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-dennis-schroder-los-angeles-lakers-free-agency

Lakers out: KCP + THT + Harrell + Gasol + 2021 FRP
Lakers in: Lowry (S&T)

Raptors in: KCP + THT + Harrell + Gasol + 2021 FRP
Raptors out: Lowry (S&T)

THT is a rfa, so that will also have to be a s&t, harrell has a team option which he might not pick up.

that being said lakers are high on THT otherwise the trade would have been done at the deadline, lakers did not want to trade him and plan to resign him.

and can we stop including 2021 frp in s&t offers, the draft happens before free agency, i guess we can trade for the rookie lakers choose to draft.

[YogurtProducer]

I have a feeling it will be a Lowry for Porzingis sign and trade.

Seems like the kind of risk worth taking. 25, 3 years left on his deal, is a position of need, and is a high risk high reward type of guy. Seems like the kind of player who would prefer playing in our everyone eats kind of offence.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Pascal/Kristaps is a solid starting 5

[tecumseh18]

and can we stop including 2021 frp in s&t offers, the draft happens before free agency, i guess we can trade for the rookie lakers choose to draft.

Of course S&Ts informally agreed by the teams can fall apart - as we saw with Bogdonovic last fall. But at the deadline the teams were already talking about Lowry's salary next year, so the terms of the sign and trade could already have been agreed to.

And Raps wouldn't do it without a draft pick. If Lakers and Raptors can agree on a pick at #22, then Lakers can make the selection and trade the signing rights as part of the Lowry deal two weeks later.