Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[biblast]

S&T details??? Tell us already for God’s sakes!


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[Courtside]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Dragic is an old 35 and was a bench player the last two years. I just can't see him starting and staying healthy in an 82 game season. Maybe if we make the playoffs.

Agreed. Ultimately, I think this is how things are rolled out, at least from the beginning:

Fred VanVleet / Malachi Flynn / (Dragic/Barnes/Champagnie/Adams)
Gary Trent Jr. / Goran Dragic / David Johnson / (OG/Barnes/Champagnie/Wainright)
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe / (Pascal/Precious/Wainright)
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher / Dalano Banton (OG/Barnes/Yuta)
Khem Birch / Precious Achiuwa / Freddie Gillespie / (OG/Barnes/Boucher)

The guys in BLUE I am expecting to spend most of their time with the 905.
(in parentheses are depth players shifted from other positions)

C is weakest when comparing to league-wide average talent at the position, but our play style will offset that a great deal. We're in tough against the Jokic and Embiid and even Jonas/Nurkic level players, but our switchability, length and speed will prevent them from doing as much damage as they do to other teams.

[Brinbe]

Still nothing?

[aligator]

I don't think Dragic will ever play a game for the Raps. If no trade can be found, there will be a negotiated buyout. Dallas is not opposed at taking him at a lesser number.

[Smalltown]

Wainright

Pretty sure he's signed into Bembry's slot and the expectation is minutes. I don't think he'll see any time with the 905.

[alpngso]

i am waiting to order my Dragic jersey

[c3luong]

I don't think Dragic will ever play a game for the Raps. If no trade can be found, there will be a negotiated buyout. Dallas is not opposed at taking him at a lesser number.

And what would be the purpose of the buyout for the Raptors?

[Ganjamayne]

I don't think Dragic will ever play a game for the Raps. If no trade can be found, there will be a negotiated buyout. Dallas is not opposed at taking him at a lesser number.

They won't buy him out lol. Unless Dragic refuses to put on a Raptors jersey maybe.

[VanWest82]

Agreed. Ultimately, I think this is how things are rolled out, at least from the beginning:

Fred VanVleet / Malachi Flynn / (Dragic/Barnes/Champagnie/Adams)
Gary Trent Jr. / Goran Dragic / David Johnson / (OG/Barnes/Champagnie/Wainright)
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe / (Pascal/Precious/Wainright)
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher / Dalano Banton (OG/Barnes/Yuta)
Khem Birch / Precious Achiuwa / Freddie Gillespie / (OG/Barnes/Boucher)

The guys in BLUE I am expecting to spend most of their time with the 905.
(in parentheses are depth players shifted from other positions)

C is weakest when comparing to league-wide average talent at the position, but our play style will offset that a great deal. We're in tough against the Jokic and Embiid and even Jonas/Nurkic level players, but our switchability, length and speed will prevent them from doing as much damage as they do to other teams.

OG also showed he can legit defend those guys in the regular season and Fred is so good at doubling in the post and creating turnovers. If you're going to be weak somewhere it's not the worst spot. We do feel deeper than last year though a lot of that depends on our young guys.

[douggood]

other teams have started to officially announce signings and trades

[PoundTown]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Dragic is an old 35 and was a bench player the last two years. I just can't see him starting and staying healthy in an 82 game season. Maybe if we make the playoffs.

Agreed. Ultimately, I think this is how things are rolled out, at least from the beginning:

Fred VanVleet / Malachi Flynn / (Dragic/Barnes/Champagnie/Adams)
Gary Trent Jr. / Goran Dragic / David Johnson / (OG/Barnes/Champagnie/Wainright)
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe / (Pascal/Precious/Wainright)
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher / Dalano Banton (OG/Barnes/Yuta)
Khem Birch / Precious Achiuwa / Freddie Gillespie / (OG/Barnes/Boucher)

The guys in BLUE I am expecting to spend most of their time with the 905.
(in parentheses are depth players shifted from other positions)

C is weakest when comparing to league-wide average talent at the position, but our play style will offset that a great deal. We're in tough against the Jokic and Embiid and even Jonas/Nurkic level players, but our switchability, length and speed will prevent them from doing as much damage as they do to other teams.

Outside of Miami, might have the most switchable team in the league. A handful of teams may be able to punish us with a Jokic or an Embiid, but post offence is generally not a killer or most effective form of offence, and can only really be executed by elite post dudes that can also pass very effectively. Cleveland won a championship with Tristan as their main center, and defensivley speaking Birch is just as capable as Tristan.

Also, Precious may be the next Faried but with defence and seems to be focusing on the long range shot. Don't see him as future all star, but could definitely be a very effective 25 - 30 minute a game guy, preferrably off the bench as a 6th man sort of big in a couple years.

[c3luong]

Honestly as the roster stands above we're probably a lottery team.

[redeye514]

Do you want to do a sig bet that Gary Trent Jr will start more games than Dragic this season?

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

I'm just implying that it's absurd that you would pay a 23 year old 54 million dollars and then play him behind a 34 year old mediocre player on a fringe playoff team.

I guess we just differ on opinion. Throwing GTJ into a role he may not be ready for could be more detrimental than good. And just because he signed that contract, to me, doesn't mean he's an insta starter.. nor does it mean that he wont eventually be our starter. Ultimately, I'll trust Masai's evaluation of it all, but my guess is that they would be ok with GTJ being a 6th man for 1 year if thats what our roster construct dictates.

[Courtside]

I don't think Dragic will ever play a game for the Raps. If no trade can be found, there will be a negotiated buyout. Dallas is not opposed at taking him at a lesser number.

And what would be the purpose of the buyout for the Raptors?

Since we are operating as an above-the-cap team, none. I mean, it saves us money but we won't have capspace, so it's back to the exceptions we have now anyways, if we want them.

Dragic has value to this roster, so either he is traded in the offseason, or I can see him here all year if a no-brainer trade doesn't offer itself to us at the deadline.

This guy was the Heat's lesser version of Lowry for the last 7 years. He's still very capable, even if not a FT starter any more. You don't buy a guy like that out if there is a need for him on the roster... and there is. We helped Miami for Lowry's sake, but we have zero need to do Dallas any favors.

If they really want or need him, they will make a proper offer. If not, we're good.

[Apz]

But if they make the lowry trade official, can they trade dragic then? Doesnt he get that 60 days or whatever?

[c3luong]

Yeah, I think if we do it as a 2-team deal we would most likely be holding Dragic until the deadline, at minimum.

[douggood]

But if they make the lowry trade official, can they trade dragic then? Doesnt he get that 60 days or whatever?

dragic can be traded on his own right away, but if you are trading him with another player from raptors then wait 60 days (45 due to covid schedule shortage)

but if you can break the trade into 2 pieces you can still trade dragic in a multiple player trade.

its all offseason so it doesnt matter

they reason for raptors to wait to make the trade now as a 3 way it makes the potential tpe bigger depending on how we execute trade.

[HangTime]

But if they make the lowry trade official, can they trade dragic then? Doesnt he get that 60 days or whatever?

You can trade him as the only outgoing player.

[Courtside]

Dragic is an old 35 and was a bench player the last two years. I just can't see him starting and staying healthy in an 82 game season. Maybe if we make the playoffs.

Agreed. Ultimately, I think this is how things are rolled out, at least from the beginning:

Fred VanVleet / Malachi Flynn / (Dragic/Barnes/Champagnie/Adams)
Gary Trent Jr. / Goran Dragic / David Johnson / (OG/Barnes/Champagnie/Wainright)
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe / (Pascal/Precious/Wainright)
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher / Dalano Banton (OG/Barnes/Yuta)
Khem Birch / Precious Achiuwa / Freddie Gillespie / (OG/Barnes/Boucher)

The guys in BLUE I am expecting to spend most of their time with the 905.
(in parentheses are depth players shifted from other positions)

C is weakest when comparing to league-wide average talent at the position, but our play style will offset that a great deal. We're in tough against the Jokic and Embiid and even Jonas/Nurkic level players, but our switchability, length and speed will prevent them from doing as much damage as they do to other teams.

Outside of Miami, might have the most switchable team in the league. A handful of teams may be able to punish us with a Jokic or an Embiid, but post offence is generally not a killer or most effective form of offence, and can only really be executed by elite post dudes that can also pass very effectively. Cleveland won a championship with Tristan as their main center, and defensivley speaking Birch is just as capable as Tristan.

Also, Precious may be the next Faried but with defence and seems to be focusing on the long range shot. Don't see him as future all star, but could definitely be a very effective 25 - 30 minute a game guy, preferrably off the bench as a 6th man sort of big in a couple years.

Toronto and Miami are on the leading edge of the curve right now. Miami has more vet experience, but our guys are bigger and longer if we both put out the most switchy guys. Lowry and Butler are exceptional, but going against a phalanx of tall/long/fast defenders will be hard even for them. Look at the trouble our guys had against the tandem of Tatum and Brown... now imagine twice as many of the same type of long and defensively sound players? It will take some time to perfect, but there are a whole bunch of teams that we will absolutely steamroll if we can get good enough at this before other teams and scouting depts start figuring us out. Even when they do, they won't have the roster pieces to mount the right kind of response.

TOR-MIA games are gonna be really fun to watch.

[WuTang_CMB]

Moratorium lifts at 6

12

looks like 6

Read on Twitter

but some teams have started making moves official

https://www.nba.com/suns/suns-acquire-landry-shamet-brooklyn

The NBA free agency period will begin in early August, the league announced today, and will have a slightly longer moratorium window than last year’s free agency.

Per the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association, free agency will begin on Aug. 2 at 6 p.m. ET, which is when teams can begin negotiating with free agents. There will be a moratorium period from Aug. 3 until Aug. 6 at 12:01 p.m. ET, which is when teams can begin signing free agents.