2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Spida888]

I’d trade anyone not named Scottie or OG to bring Hali here. (Pascal)

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That would be a dream, but Kings aren't giving up Haliburton for Pascal. I would still do Pascal for Mitchell + 2 unprotected/lightly protected FRPs + filler.

[RonaldArtest]

Yeah given contract situation and potential, I could see the Kings moving Fox before they move Hali. Agreed with the poster above, Siakam to SAC in a deal around Mitchell/Bagley/filler and FRP’s is a good trade for both sides.

[brownbobcat]

Random idea:

BOS gets: Siakam + Svi
TOR gets: Smart, Williams, Hernangomez + filler

Boston gets more offense, more shooting for their own version of a big 3-lite. They're in need of a shakeup after under-achieving with the same core year after year.

Toronto hits the reset button somewhat with younger role players under contract for the next 3-4 years. They'll have shored up the situation at the 5 and can re-focus on finding more offense over the next 2 years.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Random idea:

BOS gets: Siakam + Svi
TOR gets: Smart, Williams, Hernangomez + filler

Boston gets more offense, more shooting for their own version of a big 3-lite. They're in need of a shakeup after under-achieving with the same core year after year.

Toronto hits the reset button somewhat with younger role players under contract for the next 3-4 years. They'll have shored up the situation at the 5 and can re-focus on finding more offense over the next 2 years.

Boston is a really tough trade partner for us. Same division which is tough.

If we are going to hit the reset and move Siakim, I think we will look for a true reset package.

Remember the Carmelo trade to the Knicks?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carmelo-anthony-to-the-new-york-knicks-grading-the-trade/

Denver Nuggets get: Timofey Mozgov, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Raymond Felton from the Knicks plus New York's first round pick in 2014 and Golden State's second round picks in 2012 and 2013 and $3 million from the Knicks.

Chandler had just turned 23 and looked good
Gallinari was the 6th overall pick, just turned 22, and was coming off a strong 2nd year.

If we move Pascal, I'd expect MU to be looking for a similar package (probably a little less based on how Carmelo was viewed at the time)

I don't think a 3&D PG and a hustle 5 would do it.

[brownbobcat]

Denver Nuggets get: Timofey Mozgov, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Raymond Felton from the Knicks plus New York's first round pick in 2014 and Golden State's second round picks in 2012 and 2013 and $3 million from the Knicks.

Chandler had just turned 23 and looked good
Gallinari was the 6th overall pick, just turned 22, and was coming off a strong 2nd year.

If we move Pascal, I'd expect MU to be looking for a similar package (probably a little less based on how Carmelo was viewed at the time)

I don't think a 3&D PG and a hustle 5 would do it.

I understand that view, but nobody sees Siakam as a #1, probably not even a #2. So I wouldn't realistically expect a lotto pick - think about the return on the Rudy Gay trade instead.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Denver Nuggets get: Timofey Mozgov, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Raymond Felton from the Knicks plus New York's first round pick in 2014 and Golden State's second round picks in 2012 and 2013 and $3 million from the Knicks.

Chandler had just turned 23 and looked good
Gallinari was the 6th overall pick, just turned 22, and was coming off a strong 2nd year.

If we move Pascal, I'd expect MU to be looking for a similar package (probably a little less based on how Carmelo was viewed at the time)

I don't think a 3&D PG and a hustle 5 would do it.

I understand that view, but nobody sees Siakam as a #1, probably not even a #2. So I wouldn't realistically expect a lotto pick - think about the return on the Rudy Gay trade instead.

That's a very fair point. Our hope would be that whatever team is interested in him sees him as pre-bubble Siakam and not the recent version.

As to what that looks like, hard to say.

I'm still open to the Siakam for Simmons 1 for 1

[Bowdystuda]

Siakam+Flynn+Watanabe for Mitchell+Bagley+Barnes

Who says no here?

I guess the better question is why? I don't think our team, after that trade would be good enough to compete for a chip, and Barnes is a free agent after next year, so why do it? I also hold very little value to Bagley as of now.

Also, I definitely dont like Mitchell as the "main piece" in any Siakam trade. I just dont see where he would fit with Fred and Banton on the team. If I am the Raps and you are sending Siakam to the Kings, you either have to get Haliburton + 1st 2024 (top 10 protected) or Mitchell, 2022 1st (top 3 protected) and 2024 1st (top 10 protected).
It really depends on what is more Valuable to the Kings? Haliburton + 2024 1st (top 10 protected) or Mitchell, 2022 1st (top 3 protected) and 2024 1st (top 10 protected).

And in that Mitchell deal, I see him as the 2nd best asset that we get potentially and I still dont see the fit with Fred on the team but that Sacramento's 1st could be valuable. Even if Sacramento got Siakam, to add to Fox, Hali, Barnes and Holmes, they would have no bench and could be an injury away from being a top 5 pick for us. BUT... Sacramento could also kill it with Siakam, get in the play in or better and that pick is a mid round 1st?! That is why the Mitchell deal scares me. I am Haliburton or bust I think.

[brownbobcat]

Denver Nuggets get: Timofey Mozgov, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Raymond Felton from the Knicks plus New York's first round pick in 2014 and Golden State's second round picks in 2012 and 2013 and $3 million from the Knicks.

Chandler had just turned 23 and looked good
Gallinari was the 6th overall pick, just turned 22, and was coming off a strong 2nd year.

If we move Pascal, I'd expect MU to be looking for a similar package (probably a little less based on how Carmelo was viewed at the time)

I don't think a 3&D PG and a hustle 5 would do it.

I understand that view, but nobody sees Siakam as a #1, probably not even a #2. So I wouldn't realistically expect a lotto pick - think about the return on the Rudy Gay trade instead.

That's a very fair point. Our hope would be that whatever team is interested in him sees him as pre-bubble Siakam and not the recent version.

As to what that looks like, hard to say.

I'm still open to the Siakam for Simmons 1 for 1

The tough thing is that there aren't a lot of natural trade partners here. Possibly Chicago, Portland?

[Psubs]

Random idea:

BOS gets: Siakam + Svi
TOR gets: Smart, Williams, Hernangomez + filler

Boston gets more offense, more shooting for their own version of a big 3-lite. They're in need of a shakeup after under-achieving with the same core year after year.

Toronto hits the reset button somewhat with younger role players under contract for the next 3-4 years. They'll have shored up the situation at the 5 and can re-focus on finding more offense over the next 2 years.

Toronto doesn't have enough PT to dilute the roster. They need to make trades to consolidate.

[brownbobcat]

Random idea:

BOS gets: Siakam + Svi
TOR gets: Smart, Williams, Hernangomez + filler

Boston gets more offense, more shooting for their own version of a big 3-lite. They're in need of a shakeup after under-achieving with the same core year after year.

Toronto hits the reset button somewhat with younger role players under contract for the next 3-4 years. They'll have shored up the situation at the 5 and can re-focus on finding more offense over the next 2 years.

Toronto doesn't have enough PT to dilute the roster. They need to make trades to consolidate.

They don't have enough talent to consolidate at the upper end, probably not the mid-tier either.

They won't get back anyone better than Siakam.

[Psubs]

Random idea:

BOS gets: Siakam + Svi
TOR gets: Smart, Williams, Hernangomez + filler

Boston gets more offense, more shooting for their own version of a big 3-lite. They're in need of a shakeup after under-achieving with the same core year after year.

Toronto hits the reset button somewhat with younger role players under contract for the next 3-4 years. They'll have shored up the situation at the 5 and can re-focus on finding more offense over the next 2 years.

Toronto doesn't have enough PT to dilute the roster. They need to make trades to consolidate.

They don't have enough talent to consolidate at the upper end, probably not the mid-tier either.

They won't get back anyone better than Siakam.

Raptors have all of their 1st picks available to trade. Also young cheap rookie contract players.

JV, Delon Wright, CJ Miles can't get a Marc Gasol? Terrence Ross and 1st pick can't get a Serge Ibaka? Derozan, Poeltl and 1st pick can't get a Kawhi Leonard?

[brownbobcat]

Raptors have all of their 1st picks available to trade. Also young cheap rookie contract players.

JV, Delon Wright, CJ Miles can't get a Marc Gasol? Terrence Ross and 1st pick can't get a Serge Ibaka? Derozan, Poeltl and 1st pick can't get a Kawhi Leonard?

You just listed 7 first-round picks there, 4 of which were in the lottery. The Raptors don't have anywhere near that collection of assets right now. Assuming you don't mean to move Scottie, they have exactly 1 cheap rookie contract player worth discussing and we all know the dangers of rebuilding teams trading away picks for players.

Their current phase of team-building isn't like 2018/19, they're at a similar crossroads as 2013.

Siakam is NOT the problem - we need more guys at his level. I'd settle for 2-3 more solid bench players, but the issue is how to acquire them. They only get 2 picks per year, not all of them pan out and even those that do take time to mature. How long can they afford to keep Siakam if they're a sub .500 team? That's the million dollar question. If they want to compete with this core, they'll need to start winning a few low-key trades and pickups sooner rather than later.

[Rapsfan07]

Denver Nuggets get: Timofey Mozgov, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari and Raymond Felton from the Knicks plus New York's first round pick in 2014 and Golden State's second round picks in 2012 and 2013 and $3 million from the Knicks.

Chandler had just turned 23 and looked good
Gallinari was the 6th overall pick, just turned 22, and was coming off a strong 2nd year.

If we move Pascal, I'd expect MU to be looking for a similar package (probably a little less based on how Carmelo was viewed at the time)

I don't think a 3&D PG and a hustle 5 would do it.

I understand that view, but nobody sees Siakam as a #1, probably not even a #2. So I wouldn't realistically expect a lotto pick - think about the return on the Rudy Gay trade instead.

Yeah, the Carmelo package isn't a good comparison. Melo was a top 10 or so player in the league at that time, a bonafide first option scorer and one of the best scorers to ever play the game (in his prime).

Siakam is undoubtedly a tier below that. Still, he is a PF who can handle the ball, 3 level scorer and can defend, rebound and make plays. Even with his recent struggles, I can't think of 5 PFs Id pick over him in the league right now.

So yeah, not going to give him away for a hustle 5 and a 3&D PG.

I’d trade anyone not named Scottie or OG to bring Hali here. (Pascal)

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That would be a dream, but Kings aren't giving up Haliburton for Pascal. I would still do Pascal for Mitchell + 2 unprotected/lightly protected FRPs + filler.

Nah. We're not in a rush to give up Pascal. We don't HAVE to move him. We should be listening to reasonable offers but its not like he's requested a trade or is a malcontent that is disrupting team chemistry.

As I said above, I would make argument that Pascal is a top 5-7 PF in the league (I only have Zion, Davis, Giannis, Sabonis and Durant over him) and the top guys aren't getting traded.

Now I'm not sure what we have to do to have Haliburton part of the deal but yeah.

[Jtoneller1]

So crazy it might work??

TOR: Siakam, Boucher, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley

Mobley is the archetype of the center position in our system. Would Cleveland do that to dump Love's contract while potentially picking up another high pick?

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[Bruin]

So crazy it might work??

TOR: Siakam, Boucher, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley

Mobley is the archetype of the center position in our system. Would Cleveland do that to dump Love's contract while potentially picking up another high pick?

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Cavs definitely would hang up

[Psubs]

So crazy it might work??

TOR: Siakam, Boucher, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley

Mobley is the archetype of the center position in our system. Would Cleveland do that to dump Love's contract while potentially picking up another high pick?

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Cavs definitely would hang up

Sexton is out for the year. Would the Cavs do....

TOR: Siakam, Trent, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley and Sexton

[LBJKB24MJ23]

So crazy it might work??

TOR: Siakam, Boucher, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley

Mobley is the archetype of the center position in our system. Would Cleveland do that to dump Love's contract while potentially picking up another high pick?

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Cavs definitely would hang up

Sexton is out for the year. Would the Cavs do....

TOR: Siakam, Trent, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley and Sexton

Mobley is off the table.

[bboyskinnylegs]

So crazy it might work??

TOR: Siakam, Boucher, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley

Mobley is the archetype of the center position in our system. Would Cleveland do that to dump Love's contract while potentially picking up another high pick?

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I felt like this was the kind of deal we should have tried to push for before the draft. Definitely no chance Cleveland accepts this now.

[Psubs]

Cavs definitely would hang up

Sexton is out for the year. Would the Cavs do....

TOR: Siakam, Trent, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley and Sexton

Mobley is off the table.

What about FOUR 1st picks?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Sexton is out for the year. Would the Cavs do....

TOR: Siakam, Trent, 2022 FRP
CLE: Love, Mobley and Sexton

Mobley is off the table.

What about FOUR 1st picks?

4 picks and 3 swaps lol


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