Tank World Order (7.0)

[720]

Which teams this year are contending, not pretending like pre-Kawhi Raptors supposedly were, with the guys they tanked to draft?

Warriors (Curry)
Suns? I guess they technically count though as we just saw Chris Paul has a lot to do with that.
...
Think that's it.

Edit: should amend this to say multi-year tank because we already did tank for Scottie which supposedly isn't enough tanking

Tank World Order cares about lottery picks not Hinkie level tanking. I know it might be too hard to understand this word play but I believe you can do it. Warriors also drafted Klay in the lottery, Heat drafted Wade, Dallas traded for Dirk who was in the lottery (Kobe for the Lakers), Kyrie for the Cavs, Duncan for the spurs, Jordan for the Bulls, Isiah for the Pistons, Hakeem for the Rockets, Bird for the Celtics, Magic for the Lakers..

That's like what? 90 percent of champions in the past 30-40 years?

We got Barnes. Maybe someone else in the future but we got Barnes so far through the lottery and even you concede he will play a big role in our future.

[VanWest82]

Which teams this year are contending, not pretending like pre-Kawhi Raptors supposedly were, with the guys they tanked to draft?

Warriors (Curry)
Suns? I guess they technically count though as we just saw Chris Paul has a lot to do with that.
...
Think that's it.

Edit: should amend this to say multi-year tank because we already did tank for Scottie which supposedly isn't enough tanking

Tank World Order cares about lottery picks not Hinkie level tanking. I know it might be too hard to understand this word play but I believe you can do it. Warriors also drafted Klay in the lottery, Heat drafted Wade, Dallas traded for Dirk who was in the lottery (Kobe for the Lakers), Kyrie for the Cavs, Duncan for the spurs, Jordan for the Bulls, Isiah for the Pistons, Hakeem for the Rockets, Bird for the Celtics, Magic for the Lakers..

That's like what? 90 percent of champions in the past 30-40 years?

We got Barnes. Maybe someone else in the future but we got Barnes so far through the lottery and even you concede he will play a big role in our future.

Then why is it called Tank World Order if it's not about tanking, just collecting lottery picks? Also, if it's really about lottery picks which includes the 14th pick (Giannis and Kawhi were both taken 15th btw) then why are most of your examples top 4 picks? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

I am all for cheering for losses when the season is lost and there is nothing left to play for. We did that and got Scottie. Good decision. This year the team still has something to play for, so why all the fuss about tanking and cheering for losses and against our good players before we know whether or not that makes sense? I'd argue that was part of Hinkie's mentality and is the main reason he'll never work in the league again.

[Pooh_Jeter]

I dont understand how after a year and a half of arguments there is a sizeable group of people who don't realize that TWO originated as a meme based on the NWO from a user named Hulk_Hogan. Using tank as a be all and end all term is easier than "Selectively losing to secure a lottery pick in order to add to the Raptors asset base."

Photoshopping random Raptors players on a literal tank is good for a laugh. There is no need to bust out the dictionary and consult each other in a extended statistical analysis on what tank means and if they are successful 100% of the time.

This lack of understanding has led to violent threats and comparisons to fascists. It's unfortunate that this still continues.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Some are coming ever closer to the abyss, and are almost ready to become true... enlightened treadmill world order members. Beware! It is a path for madmen only.

[VanWest82]

I dont understand how after a year and a half of arguments there is a sizeable group of people who don't realize that TWO originated as a meme based on the NWO from a user named Hulk_Hogan. Using tank as a be all and end all term is easier than "Selectively losing to secure a lottery pick in order to add to the Raptors asset base."

Photoshopping random Raptors players on a literal tank is good for a laugh. There is no need to bust out the dictionary and consult each other in a extended statistical analysis on what tank means and if they are successful 100% of the time.

This lack of understanding has led to violent threats and comparisons to fascists. It's unfortunate that this still continues.

It's not a lack of understanding of the name that has led to ongoing disagreement; rather, it's general frustration directed at one segment of the fanbase for openly deriding and cheering against the Raptors, especially the good players, when they are playing well and winning games in the early parts of the season, and then that segment of the fan base firing back.

It doesn't matter what the name is. As long as fans are on here campaigning against our good players and cheering for the team to lose at the outset of every season there will be conflict.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

[720]

Which teams this year are contending, not pretending like pre-Kawhi Raptors supposedly were, with the guys they tanked to draft?

Warriors (Curry)
Suns? I guess they technically count though as we just saw Chris Paul has a lot to do with that.
...
Think that's it.

Edit: should amend this to say multi-year tank because we already did tank for Scottie which supposedly isn't enough tanking

Tank World Order cares about lottery picks not Hinkie level tanking. I know it might be too hard to understand this word play but I believe you can do it. Warriors also drafted Klay in the lottery, Heat drafted Wade, Dallas traded for Dirk who was in the lottery (Kobe for the Lakers), Kyrie for the Cavs, Duncan for the spurs, Jordan for the Bulls, Isiah for the Pistons, Hakeem for the Rockets, Bird for the Celtics, Magic for the Lakers..

That's like what? 90 percent of champions in the past 30-40 years?

We got Barnes. Maybe someone else in the future but we got Barnes so far through the lottery and even you concede he will play a big role in our future.

Then why is it called Tank World Order if it's not about tanking, just collecting lottery picks? Also, if it's really about lottery picks which includes the 14th pick (Giannis and Kawhi were both taken 15th btw) then why are most of your examples top 4 picks? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

I am all for cheering for losses when the season is lost and there is nothing left to play for. We did that and got Scottie. Good decision. This year the team still has something to play for, so why all the fuss about tanking and cheering for losses and against our good players before we know whether or not that makes sense? I'd argue that was part of Hinkie's mentality and is the main reason he'll never work in the league again.

No they aren't, how are Dirk, Kobe, Curry, Klay, Wade, top 4 picks. I literally argued last year with a team mediocre member that I'd rather have the 7th pick than finish 8th in the standings and make the playoffs. Obviously the higher the better but give me the a solid pick and I bet Masai, Dan and Bobby can work their magic again.

It's always been a lottery picks, I've never strayed away from that. I also said I don't want a hinkie level tank, literally multiple times the season and this season.

[Yeezus_]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

Sometimes it's important to come in here and have some laughs. i.e. The awful take about Fred being a statpadder

[720]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

Sometimes it's important to come in here and have some laughs. i.e. The awful take about Fred being a statpadder

Or get triggered and run away without any retort like you did this afternoon.

[Yeezus_]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

Sometimes it's important to come in here and have some laughs. i.e. The awful take about Fred being a statpadder

Or get triggered and run away without any retort like you did this afternoon.

I wouldn't call it triggered, more so baffled by one of the worst takes I've heard. There's no need for me to respond to such an idiotic take honestly. I hope you learn from that take and become a better poster bro. Internal growth!

[720]

Sometimes it's important to come in here and have some laughs. i.e. The awful take about Fred being a statpadder

Or get triggered and run away without any retort like you did this afternoon.

I wouldn't call it triggered, more so baffled by one of the worst takes I've heard. There's no need for me to respond to such an idiotic take honestly. I hope you learn from that take and become a better poster bro. Internal growth!

Aren't you the same guy that scoffed at the notion that the team wasn't good last year and said we're making the playoffs? You should heed your own advice bro. lol

[VanWest82]

No they aren't, how are Dirk, Kobe, Curry, Klay, Wade, top 4 picks. I literally argued last year with a team mediocre member that I'd rather have the 7th pick than finish 8th in the standings and make the playoffs. Obviously the higher the better but give me the a solid pick and I bet Masai, Dan and Bobby can work their magic again.

It's always been a lottery picks, I've never strayed away from that. I also said I don't want a hinkie level tank, literally multiple times the season and this season.

There are years I'd rather have the 7th pick than finish 8th too, but not every year. Some years you're better finishing 8th and getting a taste for playoffs as part of an upward trajectory.

One could easily make that case this year given a drop to the 7th pick slot, outside of injuries, probably would entail our best players playing very poorly and losing value. The team would likely need to be broken up and sold at a discount for parts, and so the cumulative loss could be (much) worse than whatever we might gain from the draft pick. It's not cut and dry in any event.

If you're not attached to some pre-conceived notion of what the players could become or what the team could become and are prepared to let it play out a little, you might be surprised at what you get. And if it doesn't work, you can always tank. Deciding to be a lottery team up front just eliminates potential good outcomes needlessly.

[VanWest82]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

Are you asking me directly to never post in here? Seems a little extreme. I'm not exactly running around calling people names.

[720]

No they aren't, how are Dirk, Kobe, Curry, Klay, Wade, top 4 picks. I literally argued last year with a team mediocre member that I'd rather have the 7th pick than finish 8th in the standings and make the playoffs. Obviously the higher the better but give me the a solid pick and I bet Masai, Dan and Bobby can work their magic again.

It's always been a lottery picks, I've never strayed away from that. I also said I don't want a hinkie level tank, literally multiple times the season and this season.

There are years I'd rather have the 7th pick than finish 8th too, but not every year. Some years you're better finishing 8th and getting a taste for playoffs as part of an upward trajectory.

One could easily make that case this year given a drop to the 7th pick slot, outside of injuries, probably would entail our best players playing very poorly and losing value. The team would likely need to be broken up and sold at a discount for parts, and so the cumulative loss could be (much) worse than whatever we might gain from the draft pick. It's not cut and dry in any event.

If you're not attached to some pre-conceived notion of what the players could become or what the team could become and are prepared to let it play out a little, you might be surprised at what you get. And if it doesn't work, you can always tank. Deciding to be a lottery team up front just eliminates potential good outcomes needlessly.

Oh I believe the same thing, just not for this season. Either way it doesn't matter. We'll see where they finish this year and go from there. If they push for the playoffs after the deadline then it is what it is.

[Yeezus_]

Or get triggered and run away without any retort like you did this afternoon.

I wouldn't call it triggered, more so baffled by one of the worst takes I've heard. There's no need for me to respond to such an idiotic take honestly. I hope you learn from that take and become a better poster bro. Internal growth!

Aren't you the same guy that scoffed at the notion that the team wasn't good last year and said we're making the playoffs? I would heed your own advice bro. lol

LMAO imagine bro. I dont argue about how good the team is. It's a waste of time. If the team looks like they want to compete, I will cheer for wins. If the team looks like they want to tank, I'll just watch for player development and hope for a good pick. I dont pick sides.

Though I'll give you an A+ for trying to change this around on find something to discredit me with. Good effort. Just always remember what you said, "Fred Vanvleet is a statpadder"

I wont be responding back after this but listen to more basketball podcasts, watch more basketball, read basketball articles and you'll have better takes.

[DelAbbot]

Why get so emotional arguing with each other? Everyone wants our team to become a championship contender in the (near) future. Let our differences in opinion about this season be.

[720]

I wouldn't call it triggered, more so baffled by one of the worst takes I've heard. There's no need for me to respond to such an idiotic take honestly. I hope you learn from that take and become a better poster bro. Internal growth!

Aren't you the same guy that scoffed at the notion that the team wasn't good last year and said we're making the playoffs? I would heed your own advice bro. lol

LMAO imagine bro. I dont argue about how good the team is. It's a waste of time. If the team looks like they want to compete, I will cheer for wins. If the team looks like they want to tank, I'll just watch for player development and hope for a good pick. I dont pick sides.

Though I'll give you an A+ for trying to change this around on find something to discredit me with. Good effort. Just always remember what you said, "Fred Vanvleet is a statpadder"

I wont be responding back after this but listen to more basketball podcasts, watch more basketball, read basketball articles and you'll have better takes.

There is nothing to discredit, you don't have an opinion. You thought we were good last year and had egg on your face by the end and act like it didn't happen. I couldn't care less about discrediting you just pointing out facts. Take your own advice.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

Are you asking me directly to never post in here? Seems a little extreme. I'm not exactly running around calling people names.

Nope.

[KL78192020]

Fred is stat padding now? You cant be serious man.

So we're going to pretend like he wasn't incentivized to take 20 plus shots multiple times vs all these covid protocol/ injury plagued teams the past week and a half to up his counting and efficiency stats? From Mr.BetOnYourSelf, the man who wants to win all the awards? Stop being naïve.

Amazing logic man. I guess going by what you said, Scottie is statpadding too considering he said he wants to win ROY!!

Not even going to entertain this any longer. Literally an awful opinion if you think Fred is stat padding. You have real analysts who know hoops talk about how he changed his shot frequency on different areas of the court which is helping him get better shot attempts. But carry on man, it's usually the ones with the most to say that have the worst opinions anyways.

Right or wrong, lets say FVV is an all star, FVV will get a max contract next year based on his play, thats gona be 70 million or more tied up in Siakam/FVV. You also have GTJ who cbould be due for around 20 million a year. Over 90 million tied up in those three guys.

Whats the path to get a current top 5 player via trade before they lose their cap flexibility.

[Los_29]

There MIGHT be less conflict if you stayed out of the thread...

If I stay out of the thread then where else will I get my daily fix of horrible takes and insults?