[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[WuTang_CMB]

Dyson has such a mature game to him. I see Brandon Roy 2.0. His shot mechanics aren't broken by any means so there's no reason he can't become a knockdown shooter.

Scottie and Dyson has a nice ring to it.

Let’s say Dyson does replicate what Giddey did in his 1st year. Would you trade OG for that player?

Yes. That upside is too great. Dyson would be doing that plus having very good defense. That's a fkin player and only 19. OG is an elite 3+D guy, he has a ceiling.

[Clutch0z24]

I am having a weird feeling that Rudy Gobert is going to be traded for OG....Idk why but i just feel thats the move Masai wants...I think Masai is thinking about the defense a frontcourt of Barnes/Siakam/Gobert will look like...

I personally do not want Gobert and if we did make a deal with OG i would much rather grab a top pick in this draft along with bench depth but i just have a feeling Gobert is Masais target this offseason.

100% with you on this, the thought of trading OG + $20M more (so another starter) to match Rudy's salary makes me sick to my stomach.

It's hard to make a Gobert trade work though. You'd have to include Siakam or 2 of VV+GTJ+OG just to make salary work - and the Raptors aren't trading that much for Gobert.

Couldn't we do some Cap gymnastics though? We would get rid of the Thad 14 Mill, Boucher 7 Mill, And lets say the deal was OG 17 mill + Birch 6Mill for Gobert 38 Mill ....Adding all the Salary we would be losing in the deal would be 44.7 Mill if them 4 come off our books and we add Goberts 38 Mill And lets say Nickeil Alexander Walker 3Mill Or is that an illegal move to make?

[OakleyDokely]

100% with you on this, the thought of trading OG + $20M more (so another starter) to match Rudy's salary makes me sick to my stomach.

It's hard to make a Gobert trade work though. You'd have to include Siakam or 2 of VV+GTJ+OG just to make salary work - and the Raptors aren't trading that much for Gobert.

Couldn't we do some Cap gymnastics though? We would get rid of the Thad 14 Mill, Boucher 7 Mill, And lets say the deal was OG 17 mill + Birch 6Mill for Gobert 38 Mill ....Adding all the Salary we would be losing in the deal would be 44.7 Mill if them 4 come off our books and we add Goberts 38 Mill And lets say Nickeil Alexander Walker 3Mill Or is that an illegal move to make?

The Raps would need to match Gobert's salary in order for it to work, Thad/Boucher don't come into play, unless they're somehow involved in a sign and trade and that gets complicated.

[bongmarley]

100% with you on this, the thought of trading OG + $20M more (so another starter) to match Rudy's salary makes me sick to my stomach.

It's hard to make a Gobert trade work though. You'd have to include Siakam or 2 of VV+GTJ+OG just to make salary work - and the Raptors aren't trading that much for Gobert.

Couldn't we do some Cap gymnastics though? We would get rid of the Thad 14 Mill, Boucher 7 Mill, And lets say the deal was OG 17 mill + Birch 6Mill for Gobert 38 Mill ....Adding all the Salary we would be losing in the deal would be 44.7 Mill if them 4 come off our books and we add Goberts 38 Mill And lets say Nickeil Alexander Walker 3Mill Or is that an illegal move to make?

The Raps would need to send out almost 38 mil to Utah for that trade. So in your scenario Thad and Boucher would need to be in the trade as well, you just cant not sign them and then use the money you would have signed them with. That 21 mil in your scenerio would be lost if we just didnt sign them.

[EH15]

100% with you on this, the thought of trading OG + $20M more (so another starter) to match Rudy's salary makes me sick to my stomach.

It's hard to make a Gobert trade work though. You'd have to include Siakam or 2 of VV+GTJ+OG just to make salary work - and the Raptors aren't trading that much for Gobert.

Couldn't we do some Cap gymnastics though? We would get rid of the Thad 14 Mill, Boucher 7 Mill, And lets say the deal was OG 17 mill + Birch 6Mill for Gobert 38 Mill ....Adding all the Salary we would be losing in the deal would be 44.7 Mill if them 4 come off our books and we add Goberts 38 Mill And lets say Nickeil Alexander Walker 3Mill Or is that an illegal move to make?

No, they are expiring contracts that can't be traded or a free agent come July. You need 2 of 3 (FVV/OG/Trent).

You can get creative and do FVV+Birch+Flynn+Svi. It works, but how realistic is it? Not realistic at all.

[Gavin_TDThree]

I dont understand this infatuation with dyson daniels. He works best with the ball in his hands. How is that a good fit with scottie and siakam?

Having multiple facilitators is never a bad thing. Dyson is also pretty solid at working off ball, cutting to the rim, chasing down offensive rebounds for put backs. His shooting stroke is developing as well. Plus if he can break down the defense off the dribble it'll open up opportunities for Scottie and Siakam.

[YogurtProducer]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

lol lol lol that's really funny to me. But sure pal, i'll use the correct term from here on out and try not to traumatize you again. lol appreciate the correction.

The funniest thing is he’s entirely wrong and that’s not the original meaning. It literally originated as skinning cats lol

[YogurtProducer]

OG you don't trade man. This guy is a unicorn. He doesn't have that obnoxious demeanor, but he wins us games.

No one is untouchable maybe except for Scottie, but if you get a kings ransom you need to consider the trade.

Do you know what the word unicorn means?

I'm not being fickle like most of you changing your stance on a player over who is the flavor of the month.

You that legit two way players like OG don't grow on trees? You might have guys that have amazing offense or defense, but playing the two way game OG can in the shadow of Kawhi is next level. He also has the body and athleticism to impact the game in the way the league is played now.

I'll give you an example, OG's value in the league is sort of like Jimmy Butler back with the Bulls. He is viewed as a good two way player, but not a go to guy. Look at Jimmy B now. Trading OG at the age he is act, is one of those things that you regret as a franchise 2-3 years later. Wiggins is sort of also going down that path slowly. Look at Demar. Some guys don't blossom as fast, but have an extended ceiling where you give time they keep on improving. That's who OG is.

Trent, sure let him go. Apart from get some steals, he actually isn't a great defender. Guys like him you can easily replace. What OG can become don't just give up.

Also, OG has one of those quiet demeanors. I'm sure if he was loud obnoxious like a Joel, right away people would think he is a better player. We saw what OG could do when he has the ball and can be a focal part of the offense. Its Nurse's job to figure out how to extract the most out of the guy. But don't question the talent.

Be one of the least efficient scorers in the league? Cause that’s what he is when he tried to created

[Madhouse]

Scottie and Dyson has a nice ring to it.

Let’s say Dyson does replicate what Giddey did in his 1st year. Would you trade OG for that player?

Yes. That upside is too great. Dyson would be doing that plus having very good defense. That's a fkin player and only 19. OG is an elite 3+D guy, he has a ceiling.

I mean Giddy was like a top 6 rookie in a stacked class. That would be Dyson as a top 3-4 rookie in a weaker class. That would be amazing for a 7th pick.

[Bruin]

Dyson has such a mature game to him. I see Brandon Roy 2.0. His shot mechanics aren't broken by any means so there's no reason he can't become a knockdown shooter.

Scottie and Dyson has a nice ring to it.

[mademan]

I dont understand this infatuation with dyson daniels. He works best with the ball in his hands. How is that a good fit with scottie and siakam?

i mean we clearly need a guard in the halfcourt. It's not like we can just get C+S guys around Scottie/Pascal...we need a dynamic guard who can create

[Godaddycurse]

I dont understand this infatuation with dyson daniels. He works best with the ball in his hands. How is that a good fit with scottie and siakam?

i mean we clearly need a guard in the halfcourt. It's not like we can just get C+S guys around Scottie/Pascal...we need a dynamic guard who can create

I thought people are betting on Scottie improving on ball and becoming a better facilitator/creator? How is he going to do that if we add another player who likes the ball in his hands? Replacing OG who is our most effective guy off ball seems crazy to me

[mademan]

I dont understand this infatuation with dyson daniels. He works best with the ball in his hands. How is that a good fit with scottie and siakam?

i mean we clearly need a guard in the halfcourt. It's not like we can just get C+S guys around Scottie/Pascal...we need a dynamic guard who can create

I thought people are betting on Scottie improving on ball and becoming a better facilitator/creator? How is he going to do that if we add another player who likes the ball in his hands? Replacing OG who is our most effective guy off ball seems crazy to me

Unless Scottie becomes a superstar wing, we're gonna need another guy. And even if he does, he needs a running mate for the future. I cant imagine that people watch the Raps and cant see the need for guard play. Thats a much bigger need than C, imo.

Ive made my opinion of OG known, and i dont think he's anywhere near as good as this board thinks he is. If we could get a high upside guard in the draft that Masai thinks is a very good prospect, i'd take it.

[Madhouse]

i mean we clearly need a guard in the halfcourt. It's not like we can just get C+S guys around Scottie/Pascal...we need a dynamic guard who can create

I thought people are betting on Scottie improving on ball and becoming a better facilitator/creator? How is he going to do that if we add another player who likes the ball in his hands? Replacing OG who is our most effective guy off ball seems crazy to me

Unless Scottie becomes a superstar wing, we're gonna need another guy. And even if he does, he needs a running mate for the future. I cant imagine that people watch the Raps and cant see the need for guard play. Thats a much bigger need than C, imo.

Ive made my opinion of OG known, and i dont think he's anywhere near as good as this board thinks he is. If we could get a high upside guard in the draft that Masai thinks is a very good prospect, i'd take it.

We need way better scorers, who can hoop and put the ball in the basket, take someone off the dribble, mid range, 3, finish at the rim. OG is a good role player whose role is bigger than it would be on a contender. If we can get a guy who shows that promise, we would have to trade OG. Right now this is a mediocre offensive roster from a talent standpoint and it could be worse than that if we regress in hustle and offensive rebounding.

[Godaddycurse]

I thought people are betting on Scottie improving on ball and becoming a better facilitator/creator? How is he going to do that if we add another player who likes the ball in his hands? Replacing OG who is our most effective guy off ball seems crazy to me

Unless Scottie becomes a superstar wing, we're gonna need another guy. And even if he does, he needs a running mate for the future. I cant imagine that people watch the Raps and cant see the need for guard play. Thats a much bigger need than C, imo.

Ive made my opinion of OG known, and i dont think he's anywhere near as good as this board thinks he is. If we could get a high upside guard in the draft that Masai thinks is a very good prospect, i'd take it.

We need way better scorers, who can hoop and put the ball in the basket, take someone off the dribble, mid range, 3, finish at the rim. OG is a good role player whose role is bigger than it would be on a contender. If we can get a guy who shows that promise, we would have to trade OG. Right now this is a mediocre offensive roster from a talent standpoint and it could be worse than that if we regress in hustle and offensive rebounding.

The problem i have with this line of thinking is that we are really trading the wrong players if we think our roster is maxed out and need an injection of new blood to get said better scorers. Whoever we get will still play 3rd fiddle to FVV/Siakam, except he will be a worse fit with them than OG is. OG should be kept because he excels at his roles as an off ball 3+D who can attack closeouts. That pairs much better with a player you described than FVV or Siakam.

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[John Murdoch]

his asking price is nearly dbl Grants ?

[WaltFrazier]

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What a weasel Fake Fischer is. **** him

Of course teams don't immediately hang up on an inquiry, it's a meaningless point he makes there

[Madhouse]

If Dyson Daniels is available at 7, I think OG is moved to Portland.

If he is the guy Masai has evaluated as a future star and he could not get SGA or Giannis, he is going to pull the trigger.

#4 would be preferred but I don't think SAC is biting. But both of those teams are interested in the player and are willing to trade their picks. This is a combination of a possible trade. Just depends on if Toronto loves a prospect with possible superstar potential.

[TheBoi10]

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This comment is pretty ridiculous from Fischer. No GM is going to slam the phone down when an opposing team calls. It's their job to listen, to improve the team. But that's much different than saying the Raps are making OG available and actively looking to deal him which he's trying to peddle.

Fishcer said OG wanted out and being upset at his offensive role, not even about the team wanted to actively trade him. The fact he's trying to weasel out by saying see he's available is bizarre and suspicious.