Shams: Lillard to Milwaukee in three team deal

[Dalek]

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Whatever the truth, we know it would have been tough for Lillard to succeed in Toronto. He makes the team a lot better but maybe not championship level. He would have to earn a title. Going to the Bucks is a bit like ring chasing. It is on him for doing that.

The tweet points to the FO consulting with Lillard to see what he thought and that just sounds ridiculous. If Toronto has to do that for every major trade now we know why nothing ever happens. It really makes us seem so insecure.

[Tha Cynic]

Those Bucks picks and swaps are going to be interesting. The Bucks will have an extremely old Giannis if he re-ups and Dame will be retired by then. No one signs in Milwaukee either. Blazers are getting a star or two with those picks.

[goinrogue]

I completely understand why people are so mad about this. If it makes you feel any better, I think Dame went to Milwaukee because Portland asked him where he wanted to be traded - Toronto or Milwaukee.


Also in case siakam/ Atalanta rumours start up again, BDE is a troll. He does this for fun. Its a running joke .

[Madvillainy2004]

Dodged a bullet on some ill-fated win-now attempt that's far worse than last-year's win now opportunity (Durant) and this place melts down

Never change RealGM.

It's moreso the lack of direction if we traded Pascal/OG for assests and I'd be totally happy with a rebuild. (Also not stupidly trade for Yak). But now we have a worst team with a low ceiling and could very well give a 7-12 pick to San Antonio all while being in no man's land. Oh Pascal and OG are FA's as well. With OG being a major flight risk.

I think direction is defined by deal opportunity, and that it's fine not to compromise if a deal doesn't move the needle significantly enough.

This FO was once content to trade Lowry when they were about to abuse the Knicks (again) and then they were happy to go the other direction and trade for Kawhi.

Maybe I'm biased from a work experience that places a premium on being able to pivot to market conditions quickly, but I'm COMPLETELY unbothered by "lack of direction". I think it's a fan-driven narrative, and that smart businesses (even sports businesses) are agile and will take advantage where they can.

I actually think a tell-tale sign of bad management is being married to a specific ideology, while accepting sub-optimal outcomes along the way as long as you remain committed to it.

I don't think you need a tried true direction. But you need to have a plan and I think there's a serious lack of foresight rn. They have 2 starters and 3 of the top 6 players being pending FA all looking for raises. And OG being a pretty big flight risk at that. They also don't have a pick. It's hard to vet behind a team that when they wants to win isn't all that good. But also doesn't have all that great a future either.

There's a real possibility the Raptors give up a 7-12th pick to the Spurs. And also lose OG, Trent and/or Pascal for nothing. I think that's where most of the negativity stems from.

[sidsid]

Keep saying that you cannot judge trades (and non-trades) in a vacuum.

Just this offseason, the impact of trading for Jak and not trading Fred - two role players who don't move the playoff needle - at the deadline for a 1st each has monumental consequences depending on where you are in the road.

- tanking and possibly being in the same or better position than Portland was in (3rd pick). An asset we were in discussion trading our multiple all-NBA best player for. An asset we could leverage in the same way.

- the filler pick boxing out the Bucks from acquiring Dame while providing more assets to acquire him ourselves (our own 2024, and the Bucks 2029 as a possibility).

The trades themselves weren't huge, but the runoff impact involves actual stars as opposed to role players. These things matter.

[suntzuballin]

Ppl saying blazers wanted ayton over og and dick why couldn't blazers trade nurkic for ayton without suns or with raptors instead of bucks which suns just got Grayson from bucks is Grayson Allen better then what boucher ?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

What a terrible trade all around. Bucks reek of desperation, Portland just keeps treadmilling, and Phoenix gives up on Ayton for a bunch of scrubs.

Have to hand it to the Bucks though, they put their money where their mouth is. But they're so old now, doesn't feel like they will have the legs to overcome the Celtics.

imagine saying this and them being a top championship contender...

of course you want to win a championship with a move like this. Giannis is not old. Jrue Holiday is just as old as Dame so its a wash.

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[realball]

What a terrible trade all around. Bucks reek of desperation, Portland just keeps treadmilling, and Phoenix gives up on Ayton for a bunch of scrubs.

Have to hand it to the Bucks though, they put their money where their mouth is. But they're so old now, doesn't feel like they will have the legs to overcome the Celtics.

Bucks reek of desperation by becoming top 2 title favorites for next 2-3 years lol

Bring that level of "desperation" to TO please!!!

They are certainly one of the favorites, definitely not THE favorite. They're just too old. Feels like this is going to bite them down the line, like the KG/Pierce trade bit the Nets.

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That's dumb. Should have done it anyway. Does he want to live in Miami more than he wants to play in the NBA and earn $200 million?

[Fairview4Life]

What a terrible trade all around. Bucks reek of desperation, Portland just keeps treadmilling, and Phoenix gives up on Ayton for a bunch of scrubs.

Have to hand it to the Bucks though, they put their money where their mouth is. But they're so old now, doesn't feel like they will have the legs to overcome the Celtics.

Bucks reek of desperation by becoming top 2 title favorites for next 2-3 years lol

Bring that level of "desperation" to TO please!!!

They are certainly one of the favorites, definitely not THE favorite. They're just too old. Feels like this is going to bite them down the line, like the KG/Pierce trade bit the Nets.

KG and Pierce on the Nets were not Giannis and Dame on the Bucks this season. Both guys are in their primes right now. If it does bite them down the line, I'm sure they will be able to console themselves by looking up at the banners in the rafters.

[Tom_Foolery]

So glad I didn't waste my time in those Lillard trade threads.

You guys don't get it. Top players want to be on contenders. Time for some off you to realize we are no longer contenders.

[pingpongrac]

Y'all are delusional if you truly think us not trading FVV for Allen and a future 2nd last deadline is the reason why Milwaukee got Dame. Grayson Allen wasn't the sticking point of this deal lol.

[TheGeneral99]

If Middleton can stay healthy then him, Dame, Giannis, Lopez, Crowder, Portis, Beasley, Connaughtan...that's a tough team to beat in the playoffs.

Bucks have been amazing but they lack a true closer in a playoff setting and this is why they keep getting knocked out early.

[bballsparkin]

If Middleton can stay healthy then him, Dame, Giannis, Lopez, Crowder, Portis, Beasley, Connaughtan...that's a tough team to beat in the playoffs.

Bucks have been amazing but they lack a true closer in a playoff setting and this is why they keep getting knocked out early.

It all comes down to health with the Bucks. A Nuggets vs Bucks finals would be fun. The two best bigs go head to head. Each with their own offensive star sidekicks.

[realball]

Bucks reek of desperation by becoming top 2 title favorites for next 2-3 years lol

Bring that level of "desperation" to TO please!!!

They are certainly one of the favorites, definitely not THE favorite. They're just too old. Feels like this is going to bite them down the line, like the KG/Pierce trade bit the Nets.

KG and Pierce on the Nets were not Giannis and Dame on the Bucks this season. Both guys are in their primes right now. If it does bite them down the line, I'm sure they will be able to console themselves by looking up at the banners in the rafters.

I don't think they are a lock for a championship. Too old. And the failed runs are going to sting when they give away lottery picks five years down the line.

[YogurtProducer]

Masai is a wimp I’m done with him he needs to grow a pair.

What a disaster of an off season.

Funny that, I feel like it’s been perfectly fine.

I can understand being disappointed in not getting Dame (and also, can understand guys like yourself who had no interest in Dame).

What I don't understand how not trading for Dame is such a rage worthy thing to get upset over.

[MiamiSPX]

They are certainly one of the favorites, definitely not THE favorite. They're just too old. Feels like this is going to bite them down the line, like the KG/Pierce trade bit the Nets.

KG and Pierce on the Nets were not Giannis and Dame on the Bucks this season. Both guys are in their primes right now. If it does bite them down the line, I'm sure they will be able to console themselves by looking up at the banners in the rafters.

I don't think they are a lock for a championship. Too old. And the failed runs are going to sting when they give away lottery picks five years down the line.

When you have a 2-time MVP who is easily one of the top 3 players on earth, you go for it. Especially when said player puts you on notice.

[ForeverTFC]

What a terrible trade all around. Bucks reek of desperation, Portland just keeps treadmilling, and Phoenix gives up on Ayton for a bunch of scrubs.

Have to hand it to the Bucks though, they put their money where their mouth is. But they're so old now, doesn't feel like they will have the legs to overcome the Celtics.

They traded a 31 year old Jrue Holiday so their average age went up by less than 1 once you factor in Grayson and the other guy. Jrue already said he was going to retire once his current contract ran out. Getting Lillard for a guy who all but told you will be gone in 2 years is pretty good business. They have a window to win 1 more and they're going for it. This was great business for them.

[WaltFrazier]

At least we're not the 76ers.

I was thinking how much better a situation Griffin landed in than former boss Nick