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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#541 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:23 pm

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TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.


I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital


Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#542 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:28 pm

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TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.


I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital


Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?


I mean one of the picks we got from Indy, I'd think about, the lower one sure. I wouldn't look at that as some major steal for us tho. Would be a solid trade for both parties imo
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#543 » by Bruin » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:28 pm

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TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.


I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital


Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?

No clue what they’re talking about. I’d give anything and anyone outside BBQ to get Murphy on this team. would probably do IQ too honestly.

Murphy is a future star. He’s not available anyways so meaningless to discuss
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#544 » by Wise80 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:29 pm

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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


I like Jovic, I'd rather him over the 2027 1st. A Jakob Jovic C rotation is cool


I do to. I was surprised at how well he moved. Does Robinson still have term? If so, I'm not a fan.

I'm surprised at how in demand Brown is.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

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I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital


Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?


I mean one of the picks we got from Indy, I'd think about, the lower one sure. I wouldn't look at that as some major steal for us tho. Would be a solid trade for both parties imo


Wow man.

Do you watch Murphy or are you looking at numbers?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#546 » by dagger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:31 pm

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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


Somehow, Duncan Robinson has made it to the almost-untouchable list with his improved play this season. I have no idea who the Heat can offer except Kyle and a pick.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#547 » by MavCarter » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:32 pm

I know matt moore is a reporter and has a family to feed etc etc but how has this dude not been called out for making up BS and reporting it all the time?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#548 » by Boselecta » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:35 pm

I have a feeling a lot of these teams are “interested” because they believe the raptors will give up brown for the low.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#549 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:36 pm

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Wait, you wouldn't do Brown + FRP for Murphy?


I mean one of the picks we got from Indy, I'd think about, the lower one sure. I wouldn't look at that as some major steal for us tho. Would be a solid trade for both parties imo


Wow man.

Do you watch Murphy or are you looking at numbers?


I'm gonna guess you've watched him way more than I do, I understand he has some breakout potential. I don't think he's a bonafide star in the making tho. He's very up & down & approaching injury prone. I'm not against acquiring him, but just not as high on him as other as it appears.

In no way would I move IQ for him as mentioned by the guy under you
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#550 » by ash_k » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:37 pm

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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


I like Jovic, I'd rather him over the 2027 1st. A Jakob Jovic C rotation is cool


I do to. I was surprised at how well he moved. Does Robinson still have term? If so, I'm not a fan.

I'm surprised at how in demand Brown is
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Don't be, Denver does not win LOB without him.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#551 » by dagger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:38 pm

With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#552 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:41 pm

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I mean one of the picks we got from Indy, I'd think about, the lower one sure. I wouldn't look at that as some major steal for us tho. Would be a solid trade for both parties imo


Wow man.

Do you watch Murphy or are you looking at numbers?


I'm gonna guess you've watched him way more than I do, I understand he has some breakout potential. I don't think he's a bonafide star in the making tho. He's very up & down & approaching injury prone. I'm not against acquiring him, but just not as high on him as other as it appears.

In no way would I move IQ for him as mentioned by the guy under you


Fair enough, I suppose. I'm not sure if he's going to be a bonafide star but honestly, I don't think we need him to be. His numbers as a starter (small sample size) are quite remarkable...much like IQ, it would indicate to me that he does have some breakout potential.

I wouldn't move IQ for him; that's absurd. But I do think IF he's available - and that's a pretty big if - I wouldn't hesitate to offer two firsts for him. Who knows though? A lot of this depends on what the Pelicans are going to do about Ingram. If they fear he won't resign or sign an extension, I don't think they'll move Murphy.

If they're sure about their Zion + Ingram core, then I actually think moving Murphy does a lot more for their books than moving Jones.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#553 » by djsunyc » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:44 pm

dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


i think the optimal team is okc.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#554 » by Wise80 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:45 pm

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I like Jovic, I'd rather him over the 2027 1st. A Jakob Jovic C rotation is cool


I do to. I was surprised at how well he moved. Does Robinson still have term? If so, I'm not a fan.

I'm surprised at how in demand Brown is
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Don't be, Denver does not win LOB without him.


You can say that about a lot of players. I get the intrigue, but still. There a lot of guys out there who can excel playing with all time greats.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#555 » by dagger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:45 pm

The kind of trade that might make sense for Brown and max the return would be to get the Fournier or Lowry contracts and spin it to a third team like Memphis to help it lighten its tax problem. NYK or MIA would supply one incentive, Memphis another. Maybe Brandon Clarke's four year deal is easier to swallow because it is back money and flat-lined.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#556 » by MavCarter » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:46 pm

Im not going to get my hopes up about getting a good young prospect for brown but i'd take 2 first rounders and take back unwanted salary in a trade. One for brown and one for the salary
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#557 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:47 pm

dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worth prospect + pick that won;t be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


Yeah I agree. Alluded to this in my previous post.

Not sure where the Knicks' head is at but if they have their eyes on bigger fish, like Murray or Clarkson, this could probably go down to the wire. If I'm New York and I have the assets they do, I want those guys much more than I want Brown. I hope that at this stage, Masai would come to the same conclusion we have and realized that it's very likely that the best package you're getting from Brown is with the Knicks. If so, then Masai probably isn't the hold up - it is in NY's best interest to work with the Jazz and Hawks before circling back around to us.

Just don't want us to lose out on this opportunity to turn Brown into some assets that will help with our rebuild. But yeah - plenty of interest in Bruce Brown.. it's just a matter of what are we willing to take back. I agree that unless the return is coming with a lot of sweetener or the incoming player can be a part of our core, I would advise not taking on any future salary beyond next year at the absolute latest.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#558 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 pm

dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


To add - Lowry for Brown doesn't even work money wise on our side. We can't add to Brown so that really isn't possible. I think Gary + Schroder make more sense for Miami than Brown does. Would like Jovic a lot but dont see Miami parting with him.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#559 » by dagger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:48 pm

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dagger wrote:With all of these Brown Brown rumours except perhaps the Knicks with the Fournier contract, the teams most interested have the least to offer in terms of picks or prospects as well as short-term money. I mean what are the Lakers going to offer? Max Christie's contract would require a cap clogger like Hashimura, and they aren't going to send Austin Reaves. The Nuggets? The have a couple of young players, butto make the money work they would have to include Caldwell-Pope, which they won't. This repeats itself over and over as you scan the list of interested teams. Miami? They have a good expiring in Kyle, but aren't likely to include Jovic and certainly not Jaquez. I don't think this is going to be easy as some media think, since Masai has made it clear he wants prospects and flexibility more than picks, and the buyers lining up for Brown either have the expiring but not necessarily the right incentive, or they have the incentive player but not the short-term contracts needed to balance a deal.

For the Raptors to take on significant money that goes past next season, I'd say Masai will want more than one carrot, likely a really worthy prospect + pick that won't be near the end of the first round. Not easy to see where that will come from, since NYK wants to hang on to its first round picks to make a much bigger swing if the opportunity presents itself.


i think the optimal team is okc.


People keep suggesting OKC and the Bertans contact, but everything I've been reading is that OKC wants to take a bigger swing this summer with the Bertans contract. I don;t seem them interested in Brown, but I've wondered if Schroeder works there because he's a veteran PG with solid playoff experience and he was good in his time in OKC. He could also play a few minutes with Shai and not just back him up.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#560 » by djsunyc » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:49 pm

i still believe there's no big rush. a team may want to pick up brown's option for next year but that would hit them hard in luxury if it's a really good high cap team.

so from the bigger teams, brown will still have value in the summer and next deadline b/c he's expiring.

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