Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[pingpongrac]

It doesn’t matter if Ingram is a better player than the Indy pick. That isn’t some gotcha.

The Indy pick is unquestionably an asset.

The minute Ingram signs his extension, he will be a liability. The only thing yet to be decided is how big.

Locking in to (another) inefficient one-way player is a big cost in its own right. This is why I’ve previously said I wouldn’t take him for free.

Have to continue hoping I’m wrong, which is not the best feeling.

The 2026 IND 1st was/is an asset...that just got us an all-star talent. In what world is Ingram an inefficient one-way player though and how can you be so sure that he will be a liability as soon as he signs an extension? He averaged 23 PPG on 58 TS% with a 2:1 AST/TO ratio across 5+ seasons with the Pelicans while he's still in his prime. This is such a low-risk, high-reward trade that there should be virtually no pushback whatsoever lol.

[RoteSchroder]

RJ, BI, IQ don't complement each other on offense

Who cares. Right now it’s just about asset accumulation and positioning ourselves for a better player thru trade down the road. With this new cap structure there will be a lot of turnover throughout the league. Just gotta put ourselves in a position to succeed.

I have questions about “asset accumulation”. Seemingly there was very little market for Ingram because of his salary expectations. So we’re going to pay this guy that no one really wanted and all of a sudden he’s going to be an “asset”?

A negative asset is still an asset

[DelAbbot]

Who cares. Right now it’s just about asset accumulation and positioning ourselves for a better player thru trade down the road. With this new cap structure there will be a lot of turnover throughout the league. Just gotta put ourselves in a position to succeed.

I have questions about “asset accumulation”. Seemingly there was very little market for Ingram because of his salary expectations. So we’re going to pay this guy that no one really wanted and all of a sudden he’s going to be an “asset”?

A negative asset is still an asset

Yeah signing Kelly O to that 2 year contract turned him into a negative asset that costs a SRP in this deal to unload. Not as bad as the Khem Birch negative asset which took 2 SRP (one being this year).

[NotMyKawhi]

BI is 24 6 and 6. Yall are crazy. #1 scorer on our team. If we need a bucket, he's getting it

[realball]

Brown/Olynyk were helping us win too much. Ingram is not going to help us win this season. It's going to be like IQ, he might put up points but will cause too much disruption to both our offense and defense to make an impact, especially if he's in and out of lineup because of injuries. This is secretly a tanking move.

At the same time, we go into next season with pretty stacked team offensively with Barnes, Barrett, Quickley, Poetl, and Ingram (with potentially a top 7ish pick, Ochai, Dick, and our five rookies from this season off the bench). This trade works for us from a long-term and short-term perspective.

[hyper316]

Liking the deal more, was put off at first by BI health

[Raps in 4]

It doesn’t matter if Ingram is a better player than the Indy pick. That isn’t some gotcha.

The Indy pick is unquestionably an asset.

The minute Ingram signs his extension, he will be a liability. The only thing yet to be decided is how big.

Locking in to (another) inefficient one-way player is a big cost in its own right. This is why I’ve previously said I wouldn’t take him for free.

Have to continue hoping I’m wrong, which is not the best feeling.

The 2026 IND 1st was/is an asset...that just got us an all-star talent. In what world is Ingram an inefficient one-way player though and how can you be so sure that he will be a liability as soon as he signs an extension? He averaged 23 PPG on 58 TS% with a 2:1 AST/TO ratio across 5+ seasons with the Pelicans while he's still in his prime. This is such a low-risk, high-reward trade that there should be virtually no pushback whatsoever lol.

Describing BI as an "All-Star talent" is a stretch. He's been an AS once, and hasn't been one in five years.

[Yallbecrazy]

Everyone that wanted Ace Bailey is now getting one of the better outcomes as a player for him in Ingram.

Ace Bailey would be better since he's on a cheaper rookie contract and younger.....but who knows maybe we end up with both.

Obviously players on rookie deals are more valuable.

I am saying if he ends up as good as Ingram, that's one of his better outcomes for him as a prospect.

He has upside in my opinion where he ends up better than Ingram 10-15% of the time and some of that 10-15% he ends up a lot better than Ingram. He also ends up worse than Ingram most of the time and even ends up not being a NBA calibre player a good chunk of the time too. He will also be significantly worse than Ingram over the next 2 years 99% of the time, so this trade ensures we do not draft Bailey as the style of player is redundant and also that we want to compete next season.

[Dalek]

Ingram is a second overall pick who can score 22 PPG in his sleep. Talent wise we did well.

Kind of interesting to reflect that NOP with Ingram plus Zion, McCollum, Herb Jones, Dejounte Murray and Trey Murphy never exploded into contention. Zion and Ingram's health were factors, but that is a lot of talent and shooting.

The guys surrounding Ingram now are much worse but we are hoping for a better outcome. Now Ingram operates with much less spacing and likely worse defenders (RJ and IQ). It will also be interesting to see Ingram who is a dribble heavy forward work in .5 system.

I hope they use the rest of the season well to see how this all works. Of course do the extension right away. Once we have him at 3 years $140 we at least can use him as a trade piece the following year.

If we keep him we just have to factor in him playing 60 games at most. We need to focus on depth like when we had Kawhi.

[hyper316]

One thing for sure, we ain't trying to tank next year

[manjusaka]

I don’t like Ingram’s health record. But for the price we paid, it’s a no brainer.

Apron is getting in teams, Doncic got traded because of it. Ingram does not have a position to command a salary that is too large.

[Mattatron]

So this basically means Masai didn't find any buyers for bb, kelly and the rest, so he became a buyer himself. Wtf is this trade ? Who's going to defend ? And why are we paying a unprotected frp while the Warriors only a trade protected frp for Jimmy Buckets. There must be another trade coming soon and it has to involve rj. Otherwise this doesn't make any sense.

[RapsFanInOhio]

If he plays this year (and they dont rest random starters the same days) it was a bad trade as it is exactly what happened the year of the purtle trade. If he doesnt play this year and is re-signed to a reasonable amount the trade is fine.

if he could be re-signed to a reasonable amount, why wouldn't Pelicans just resign BI at that amount...

Because he probably doesn’t want to re-sign there?

[pingpongrac]

It doesn’t matter if Ingram is a better player than the Indy pick. That isn’t some gotcha.

The Indy pick is unquestionably an asset.

The minute Ingram signs his extension, he will be a liability. The only thing yet to be decided is how big.

Locking in to (another) inefficient one-way player is a big cost in its own right. This is why I’ve previously said I wouldn’t take him for free.

Have to continue hoping I’m wrong, which is not the best feeling.

The 2026 IND 1st was/is an asset...that just got us an all-star talent. In what world is Ingram an inefficient one-way player though and how can you be so sure that he will be a liability as soon as he signs an extension? He averaged 23 PPG on 58 TS% with a 2:1 AST/TO ratio across 5+ seasons with the Pelicans while he's still in his prime. This is such a low-risk, high-reward trade that there should be virtually no pushback whatsoever lol.

Describing BI as an "All-Star talent" is a stretch. He's been an AS once, and hasn't been one in five years.

He is an all-star talent. If he was playing in the East over the same stretch, he’s likely a 3x all-star by now.

[SFour]

So this basically means Masai didn't find any buyers for bb, kelly and the rest, so he became a buyer himself. Wtf is this trade ? Who's going to defend ? And why are we paying a unprotected frp while the Warriors only a trade protected frp for Jimmy Buckets. There must be another trade coming soon and it has to involve rj. Otherwise this doesn't make any sense.

BB And Kelly were only getting you SRPs......we still have guys like Boucher and Davion so if you're really obsessed with SRPs it's still a possibility. And technically the Raptors/Pacers FRP is protected 1-4......it's going to end up around 20 so it doesn't even matter.

[Johnny Bball]

I have questions about “asset accumulation”. Seemingly there was very little market for Ingram because of his salary expectations. So we’re going to pay this guy that no one really wanted and all of a sudden he’s going to be an “asset”?

A negative asset is still an asset

Yeah signing Kelly O to that 2 year contract turned him into a negative asset that costs a SRP in this deal to unload. Not as bad as the Khem Birch negative asset which took 2 SRP (one being this year).

Now you're just making **** up to whine.

[Dalek]

This opened up a roster spot no?

I would think this would be to sign Orlando Robinson. Poeltl is hurt and no Kelly O means trouble protecting the rim. Orlando at least has moments.

[TheRaptor!]

Brown/Olynyk were helping us win too much. Ingram is not going to help us win this season. It's going to be like IQ, he might put up points but will cause too much disruption to both our offense and defense to make an impact, especially if he's in and out of lineup because of injuries. This is secretly a tanking move.

At the same time, we go into next season with pretty stacked team offensively with Barnes, Barrett, Quickley, Poetl, and Ingram (with potentially a top 7ish pick, Ochai, Dick, and our five rookies from this season off the bench). This trade works for us from a long-term and short-term perspective.

Masai needs to get extended 10 yrs, what a heist

[RapsFanInOhio]

I love this deal.

I’m really surprised everyone is concerned about the injury thing. I guess it’s a legitimate concern but we nailed the Kawhi season and we have deep enough wing depth with Walter and Dick that even if he misses time, it’s probably good for their development. Not really concerned about that as long as he’s healthy for the playoffs. I also think the cost ends up being better than expected - they likely had something agreed upon in principle before the deal was finalized. We’ve liked him forever and he’s openly talked about liking Toronto, which is pretty awesome.

I’ve mentioned this in other threads but this February schedule is pretty brutal. So brutal that it’s likely going to solidify our tank even if Ingram plays this weekend. He’s going to make us better, but he hasn’t played in a couple of months and it’s going to take some time before he meshes with the other starters. They’ll sit just about everyone in the starting lineup selectively the rest of the way to keep the tank rolling, and you’re looking at adding a top 10 pick to an already pretty talented team.

With how well they’ve drafted, giving up one of the firsts next year really isn’t a huge loss especially if there’s some top of the draft protection on it. That’s an added bonus.

This is a great trade. Now give me Cooper Flagg, I’m greedy.

[canada_dry]

I honestly hope that pick ends up being a top 5 pick in 2026 just so everyone saying "it's great value" will shut up.

This team isn't close to making any sort or noise, and we just gave up a 1st. I'd rather have used the pick to move up in the draff if Masai didn't want to keep it. Puke worthy trade IMO.

Translation: i want the worst possible outcome so i have more to complain and whine about to my hearts desire.