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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#561 » by Rhettmatic » Fri May 7, 2010 9:09 pm

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Skeebs wrote:Amare is what bosh wishes he was. Strong, explosive and can score with the best of them.

I can guarantee you bosh will NEVER avg 28 ppg in his lifetime.


Neither will Amare.

Further more, Bosh has outscored Amare in 4 of his 7 seasons in the league... and that's WITHOUT an MVP caliber PG playing at his side.


Thats because bosh is a volume shooter, the ball goes through his hands every damn possession. Amare had multiple 20 ppg game scorers to work with his entire career and still put up amazing %s


It's hilarious that you're trying to make it seem as though having competent teammates is some kind of challenge Amare has had to overcome, while Bosh is lucky in that he's played with bad players.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#562 » by Skeebs » Fri May 7, 2010 9:11 pm

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It's hilarious that you're trying to make it seem as though having competent teammates is some kind of challenge Amare has had to overcome, while Bosh is lucky in that he's played with bad players.


Im not trying to make it seem that amare succeeded and posted those stats in spite of his teammates. I am saying that he posted great numbers on a great team while bosh posted ok numbers on a **** team.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#563 » by Ripp » Fri May 7, 2010 9:14 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:It's hilarious that you're trying to make it seem as though having competent teammates is some kind of challenge Amare has had to overcome, while Bosh is lucky in that he's played with bad players.


I wanna see an Amare youtube clip in which he says the following:

"I've gone through a lot of adversity in my life...raised in poverty, microfracture knee surgery which they said I'd never recover from, getting poked in the eye twice, and playing with Steve Nash. But through perseverance and dedication, I've overcome all of those challenges to become one of the best big men in the league!"
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#564 » by Skeebs » Fri May 7, 2010 9:18 pm

Ok cool so I want to see a youtube video of a chimp smoking cigarettes while walking upright like a human.

I'm not sure what you are getting at? Finding a video of a player saying a quote you just made up?
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#565 » by Courtside » Fri May 7, 2010 9:21 pm

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LarsV8 wrote:Why are you so intent on comparing Bosh and Amare ^ It doesnt really matter for the purposes of this discussion. Both are good players, both have thier strengths and weaknesses.


He's comparing Bosh to Amare because a comparison of Bargs to Amare would be just too hilarious to comprehend.

Yeah - and bringing Bargs into the mix as a FA that is available to Houston makes complete sense :roll:
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#566 » by whysoserious » Fri May 7, 2010 9:21 pm

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Rhettmatic wrote:
It's hilarious that you're trying to make it seem as though having competent teammates is some kind of challenge Amare has had to overcome, while Bosh is lucky in that he's played with bad players.


Im not trying to make it seem that amare succeeded and posted those stats in spite of his teammates. I am saying that he posted great numbers on a great team while bosh posted ok numbers on a **** team.



And like I said, switch Amare for Bosh over the past 5 seasons and Bosh puts up great numbers on good times while Amare puts up great numbers on sh*t teams.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#567 » by anj » Fri May 7, 2010 9:21 pm

Skeebs wrote:Ok cool so I want to see a youtube video of a chimp smoking cigarettes while walking upright like a human.

I'm not sure what you are getting at? Finding a video of a player saying a quote you just made up?


rushes to youtube, searches: "chimp walking smoking"
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#568 » by neurotik » Fri May 7, 2010 9:27 pm

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Switch Amare with Bosh over the last seven seasons and Bosh's career looks more successful and Amare faces all the problems Bosh has had here of being a lone star. Give Bosh Nash and Marion before and now Nash, J-Rich and he has a much more successful personal career and team career over the past 5 or 6 seasons.


You have to be good to be the second best player on a stacked team and leading that stacked team in fg% rebounds and ppg and blocks per game. Amare was putting up numbers that were nuts. Before his microfracture he was a freaking beast. Still is a good player, so fun to watch. Bosh is just a boring player.


What does this have to do with anything. Is Duncan a fun player to watch. I'm not comparing Bosh to Duncan aside from the fact that neither have an exciting game to watch, but they can get the job done.

Bosh has put up good numbers on a crappy team. So what. There is no doubt in my mind that he would put up good numbers if he played in Phoenix. I'm sure Amare can up good numbers on a crappy team, and I doubt his numbers would be as good as Bosh's if he were on the Raps.

As bad as the raps were this year, as little as Bosh had to work with (a lazy Hedo, a timid Bargnani, an injured and less effective Calderon, a rookie starter) he still had this team in 5th place before the allstar break, after the worst of our schedule was over. Had he not been injured in the last few games, the Raps would have made the playoffs.

And had he not injured his knee, we would have fought for and finished either 5th or 6th.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#569 » by Ripp » Fri May 7, 2010 9:55 pm

Regarding Alabi, yeah, he doesn't seem bad. His shared ethnicity with Hakeem can't hurt...maybe the Rockets can convince Hakeem to work full-time as a player-development coach for Alabi :)
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#570 » by Skeebs » Fri May 7, 2010 10:00 pm

Bosh and Amare score in two completely different ways. I'm not sure how you can say if you swap the two that one would succeed while the other would get worse.

Bosh is a jump shooter whos shot opens up options to drive and draw the foul. Amare just dunks everything in sight on pick and rolls and cuts to the basket.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#571 » by neurotik » Fri May 7, 2010 10:04 pm

Skeebs wrote:Bosh and Amare score in two completely different ways. I'm not sure how you can say if you swap the two that one would succeed while the other would get worse.

Bosh is a jump shooter whos shot opens up options to drive and draw the foul. Amare just dunks everything in sight on pick and rolls and cuts to the basket.


Bosh, like Amare, is very effective in the pick and roll (which Phoenix uses 80% of the time). The big difference I would see is that Bosh would simply go to the foul line more than Amare. The points would still be there.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#572 » by LarsV8 » Fri May 7, 2010 10:43 pm

Ripp wrote:Regarding Alabi, yeah, he doesn't seem bad. His shared ethnicity with Hakeem can't hurt...maybe the Rockets can convince Hakeem to work full-time as a player-development coach for Alabi :)


I dont think the Rox are in love with Alabi, its just Udoh, Whiteside and Orton are probably all gone by the time we pick, and as you know a back up center is a priority.

It doesnt matter though, Morey always picks a guy we never would of guessed and then ends up looking like a genius. You should of seen our boards after Landry/Brooks were picked instead of big baby. People were livid.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#573 » by Rhettmatic » Fri May 7, 2010 11:07 pm

Skeebs wrote:Bosh and Amare score in two completely different ways. I'm not sure how you can say if you swap the two that one would succeed while the other would get worse.

Bosh is a jump shooter whos shot opens up options to drive and draw the foul. Amare just dunks everything in sight on pick and rolls and cuts to the basket.


Bosh scores 54 per cent of his points on jumpshots.
Amare scores 51 per cent of his points on jumpshots.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09TOR13.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/09PHO11.HTM

It doesn't seem like you really know Amare that well.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#574 » by Courtside » Fri May 7, 2010 11:42 pm

Rhett, that's accurate for this season, but over their careers there his been a slightly larger disparity. Jump shots in previous seasons recorded on 82games (didn't count 05-06 since he only played 50 minutes)

06-07:
Amare: 45%
Chris: 59%

07-08:
Amare: 55%
Chris: 58%

08-09:
Amare: 55%
Chris: 64%

Skeebs has been all over the base with silly comments and is equally as biased against Chris as the flossers are for him. I wonder whose siht disturbing double account he is?

That said - the question about whether Houston would be better of with Amare is a good one when you look at the bigger picture. There's not a lot to differentiate the two and it really comes down to how you think they would fit, what they'll cost you (both salary + assets) and finally, how you project they'll hold up physically.

Amare has had a history of injury that exceeds that of Chris, but since his surgery in 06 has been pretty reliable. Chris has never missed as many games in a season as Amare has in his two worst, but it seems to be increasing every season and seems to happen with regularity after the All Star break. The brace is a concern as he seems to be losing quicks and lift, while Amare is like a pogo stick a lot of the time.

Amare could be had for less, both from an outright signing standpoint and from a trade asset standpoint - so the question is does Chris really give you that much more or fit that much better, considering the higher cost attached? Houston must really like what their talent evaluators are projecting with him in the line up. I do think their roster and playing style is a better fit for Chris than we are. Conversely, I think Amare is a better fit for the Raptors roster and playing style.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#575 » by Skeebs » Sat May 8, 2010 12:06 am

Rhettmatic wrote:
Skeebs wrote:Bosh and Amare score in two completely different ways. I'm not sure how you can say if you swap the two that one would succeed while the other would get worse.

Bosh is a jump shooter whos shot opens up options to drive and draw the foul. Amare just dunks everything in sight on pick and rolls and cuts to the basket.


Bosh scores 54 per cent of his points on jumpshots.
Amare scores 51 per cent of his points on jumpshots.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09TOR13.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0910/09PHO11.HTM

It doesn't seem like you really know Amare that well.


I dont think you've seen amare and chris bosh play if you think amare is a jump shooter like chris. CB took it more to the rack this year because it was a contract year. it was a career year for CB. Amare has been doing it his entire time in the nba he didnt need a contract year to take it to the rim consistently.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#576 » by Skeebs » Sat May 8, 2010 12:09 am

Courtside wrote:Skeebs has been all over the base with silly comments and is equally as biased against Chris as the flossers are for him. I wonder whose siht disturbing double account he is?



Silly comments? Double account? Dude I used to love CB his first 3 years in the league. Then he didnt do crap afterwards and was pissed we made this rupaul of bigman our franchise. He hasnt gotten any better since his 3rd year. Maybe even his second.

In fact he used to have a sweet jump stroke until he changed it for whatever reason.

Just because I dont like CB4 doesnt make me a hater, I'm just a realist. Amare is better than him and wont even command the max, and CB thinks hes entitled to it because he led this team to one 47 win season in 7 years.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#577 » by Reignman » Sat May 8, 2010 12:48 am

Is this a joke?

Both Amare/Bosh play the PnR except for the **** MAJOR fact that Amare plays with one of the greatest PnR point guards in NBA history.

GTFO here with this garbage.

You put Chris Bosh in a PnR sequence with Steve Nash and his game would look completely different.

Are people just arguing garbage for the sake of it?
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#578 » by RocLaFamilia » Sat May 8, 2010 12:55 am

Reignman wrote:Is this a joke?

Both Amare/Bosh play the PnR except for the **** MAJOR fact that Amare plays with one of the greatest PnR point guards in NBA history.

GTFO here with this garbage.

You put Chris Bosh in a PnR sequence with Steve Nash and his game would look completely different.

Are people just arguing garbage for the sake of it?


Yeah its the same point I make with Rondo, take the future HOF away from them and see how good they are then.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#579 » by aznkillabeezZz » Sat May 8, 2010 1:02 am

turkoglu plays better with a dominating center, like howard or maybe yao. But Toronto totally over paid him. i dont think hes going to be part of the deal. Bosh will come to Houston with the draft picks +Hill and expirings Battier, and Jeffries imo. And Battier should stay in Toronto. And why does toronto seem to overpay for all their finesse players? Even bargnani is paid alot, but at least he's young.
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Re: Houston readying full-court press for Bosh 

Post#580 » by Skeebs » Sat May 8, 2010 1:02 am

Bosh doesnt play the pick and roll, he plays the pick and pop. Or at least he used to, now its all iso all the time.

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