Shams: Cleveland and Boston have agreement on deal to send Kyrie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas package to Cavs

[KrazyP]

Thomas' injury problems were known before this trade was consumated. To me, it sounds like the Cavs may have just made this deal to screw over the Celtics. They are now in a position to either rescind the deal and destroy the Celtics chemistry or force more assets out of Ainge which would gut their roster out of the assets they have been hoarding. Well done Cavs....well done.

[Duffman100]

Cleveland should still do the deal. Even if Thomas is at 50% he is still capable. The real value will come in the pick, crowder, and prospects. They don't want disgrunted players going back to their teams.

Yup agreed.

You get the top 5 Brooklyn pick and after this year, you can probably deal Crowder for a lottery pick in another draft. Starts your rebuild nicely post Lebron.

[Too Late Crew]

Cleveland should still do the deal. Even if Thomas is at 50% he is still capable. The real value will come in the pick, crowder, and prospects. They don't want disgrunted players going back to their teams.

Yup agreed.

You get the top 5 Brooklyn pick and after this year, you can probably deal Crowder for a lottery pick in another draft. Starts your rebuild nicely post Lebron.

Disagree. Irving for Crowder and the Nets pick would not be enough of a return. A 5 foot 9 scoring pg who's a poor defender and deoenandt on quickness at 50% health is wo th next to nothing. They would be much better off with little downside to take other offers that include at least one all star type player in the package.

[Raps in 4]

They would be much better off with little downside to take other offers that include at least one all star type player in the package.

There were no deals like that on the table though.

[Too Late Crew]

They would be much better off with little downside to take other offers that include at least one all star type player in the package.

There were no deals like that on the table though.

We don't know that for sure.
If there weren't the market rate or expection do what Iving should fetch is now set and teams would have a better idea of what they need to do to make a trade work.
As I said there is little downside (not 0 downside). Irving knows they are trying to trade him it's not a secret. If they have to go into the season with him and trade him latter so be it. Having Kyrie playing and trying to bump his trade value by playing well is still better than starting the season with Rose as your starting PG becuase IT can't play.

[OAKLEY_2]

If I am the Cavs I throw Zicic and iT back at Boston and ask for Rozier, Yabusele and another pick.

[Patman]

Thomas' injury problems were known before this trade was consumated. To me, it sounds like the Cavs may have just made this deal to screw over the Celtics. They are now in a position to either rescind the deal and destroy the Celtics chemistry or force more assets out of Ainge which would gut their roster out of the assets they have been hoarding. Well done Cavs....well done.

Sounds like this was all pre-meditated by the Cavs. Agree to the best deal the Celtics are willing to offer, and then squeeze blood out of a stone by threatening to rescind the trade once IT's physical came back. Their contention that "he might be out longer than expected" is VERY arbitrary. Unless there's been a setback in his rehab, then this is BS.

[OAKLEY_2]

Thomas' injury problems were known before this trade was consumated. To me, it sounds like the Cavs may have just made this deal to screw over the Celtics. They are now in a position to either rescind the deal and destroy the Celtics chemistry or force more assets out of Ainge which would gut their roster out of the assets they have been hoarding. Well done Cavs....well done.

Sounds like this was all pre-meditated by the Cavs. Agree to the best deal the Celtics are willing to offer, and then squeeze blood out of a stone by threatening to rescind the trade once IT's physical came back. Their contention that "he might be out longer than expected" is VERY arbitrary. Unless there's been a setback in his rehab, then this is BS.

Except it is all acceptable under the rules as most trades are pending physicals and we do not get the details of private medical information. Therefore hard to say this is B.S. as we only know what media puts out or what PR teams throw about via their favourite media.

[mademan]

Cleveland should still do the deal. Even if Thomas is at 50% he is still capable. The real value will come in the pick, crowder, and prospects. They don't want disgrunted players going back to their teams.

Yup agreed.

You get the top 5 Brooklyn pick and after this year, you can probably deal Crowder for a lottery pick in another draft. Starts your rebuild nicely post Lebron.

The amount of people to think Cleveland should punt this year to tart a rebuild is ridiculous. Make this trade, IT doesn't play and you've got a situation where you might not even make the finals.

[Patman]

Thomas' injury problems were known before this trade was consumated. To me, it sounds like the Cavs may have just made this deal to screw over the Celtics. They are now in a position to either rescind the deal and destroy the Celtics chemistry or force more assets out of Ainge which would gut their roster out of the assets they have been hoarding. Well done Cavs....well done.

Sounds like this was all pre-meditated by the Cavs. Agree to the best deal the Celtics are willing to offer, and then squeeze blood out of a stone by threatening to rescind the trade once IT's physical came back. Their contention that "he might be out longer than expected" is VERY arbitrary. Unless there's been a setback in his rehab, then this is BS.

Except it is all acceptable under the rules as most trades are pending physicals and we do not get the details of private medical information. Therefore hard to say this is B.S. as we only know what media puts out or what PR teams throw about via their favourite media.

I'm not saying the Cavs are going to fudge the results of IT's physical. I'm saying that whatever the doctor says, the Cavs can contend that they expected him back earlier. That's the BS part.

The doctor could tell the Cavs "good news, IT will be ready by the start of the regular season". The Cavs could then cry "Baloney! We thought he would be ready by the start of preseason!". It might be within the rules, but it's BS, nonetheless.

[Patman]

Cleveland should still do the deal. Even if Thomas is at 50% he is still capable. The real value will come in the pick, crowder, and prospects. They don't want disgrunted players going back to their teams.

Yup agreed.

You get the top 5 Brooklyn pick and after this year, you can probably deal Crowder for a lottery pick in another draft. Starts your rebuild nicely post Lebron.

The amount of people to think Cleveland should punt this year to tart a rebuild is ridiculous. Make this trade, IT doesn't play and you've got a situation where you might not even make the finals.

I agree. From the Cavs' perspective, why would you punt the season when you have LeBron freaking James? You're not going to trade the guy, so you might as well try to win while he's here. Of course, as a Raptor fan, I hope they bungle the entire situation.

I don't like what KD did by joining the Warriors, but I have to admit that he was the key to their title. If KD is hurt, the Cavs can beat them.

[XxIronChainzxX]

A damaged IT, makes this an even-ish trade.
Angie apologist's unite

Either the trade will be confirmed as is, voided, or Boston is going to have to add assets, either taking back IT or adding incremental value to compensate Cleveland for the elevated risk. If the trade is voided, it's going to be ugly for both teams. If it's confirmed as is, we will have to see if IT holds up, or whether Cleveland knowingly bought damaged goods (they did exchange medical files on the traded players, and it was widely publicized that IT needed hip surgery.)

The worst case scenario for Boston is that having gotten this far, Ainge feels compelled to add value, probably another first rounder, likely Boston's own. Alternatively, they could take back IT, perhaps find a third team to take him, and send some combination of Smart, Rozier, Brown, or Tatum to Cleveland. Cleveland might then find a third team to take those one of those added assets in exchange for an established PG.

I just don't get the logic from Cleveland's POV if IT is more or less done for the season. They're handing of Kyrie to a team that, all things considered, is going to be major competition for them. Lebron has beaten a bunch of teams by himself in the East, but he's getting older. So he gets less help. I guess you have to bank on KL being the #2 option, and maybe rework the offence, but even then you're making Boston a way better team.

[Saciid11]

This is looking great for the Raptors... Boston on top of giving up top 5 pick + Crowder + IT + Zizic will now be forced to give up another pick or their depth just for Kyrie ... I'm loving it. Great for the raps and this gives Lebron ammunition to go up against Warriors.

[Saciid11]

If I am the Cavs I throw Zicic and iT back at Boston and ask for Rozier, Yabusele and another pick.

It doesn't matter if IT is hurt they are defiantly getting another pick or Rozier or Smart... And hopefully IT will be ready by mid season to give Cavs more depth and fire power.

[Patman]

This is looking great for the Raptors... Boston on top of giving up top 5 pick + Crowder + IT + Zizic will now be forced to give up another pick or their depth just for Kyrie ... I'm loving it. Great for the raps and this gives Lebron ammunition to go up against Warriors.

Aren't we trying to beat the Cavs? I don't care about beating Boston unless we're also beating the Cavs.

I hope that IT is not 100% this year and we beat both the Cavs and the Celtics.

[Saciid11]

Thomas' injury problems were known before this trade was consumated. To me, it sounds like the Cavs may have just made this deal to screw over the Celtics. They are now in a position to either rescind the deal and destroy the Celtics chemistry or force more assets out of Ainge which would gut their roster out of the assets they have been hoarding. Well done Cavs....well done.

Cavs would be stupid to turn down this deal, what they should do is ask for another pick or Rozier or Smart... Cavs have the advantage and they should use that..

[Cyrus]

This is looking great for the Raptors... Boston on top of giving up top 5 pick + Crowder + IT + Zizic will now be forced to give up another pick or their depth just for Kyrie ... I'm loving it. Great for the raps and this gives Lebron ammunition to go up against Warriors.

Aren't we trying to beat the Cavs? I don't care about beating Boston unless we're also beating the Cavs.

I hope that IT is not 100% this year and we beat both the Cavs and the Celtics.

We aren't beating the Cavs even with IT out, and No Love. Unless LBJ is hurt, we aren't going to get past him. Do you not recall he almost carried Kyrie-less/Love-less Cavs to 6 hard fought matches against GSW, and he had more guys hurt than healthy (Shump out, Kyrie out, Varejeo out, Love out), it was just LBJ, TT, Delly, and can't remember who else.

[Saciid11]

This is looking great for the Raptors... Boston on top of giving up top 5 pick + Crowder + IT + Zizic will now be forced to give up another pick or their depth just for Kyrie ... I'm loving it. Great for the raps and this gives Lebron ammunition to go up against Warriors.

Aren't we trying to beat the Cavs? I don't care about beating Boston unless we're also beating the Cavs.

I hope that IT is not 100% this year and we beat both the Cavs and the Celtics.

We are not beating Cavs as long as they have Lebron.. But Boston we can beat them and the thing they have on us is their asset draft picks and young talent ... the more they f that up better for us .

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If I am the Cavs I throw Zicic and iT back at Boston and ask for Rozier, Yabusele and another pick.

It doesn't matter if IT is hurt they are defiantly getting another pick or Rozier or Smart... And hopefully IT will be ready by mid season to give Cavs more depth and fire power.

If they ask for Smart, Ainge hangs up the phone. Rozier.......Ainge still hangs up the phone. Whatever the Cavs found on IT had already been disclosed by the medical records exchanged before the trade went down. Ainge might give them a 2nd rounder out of pity, maybe a protected first round pick (top 25 protection?) if the Cavs press the issue. I'm actually quite shocked that Ainge is holding his ground on this, but it sounds like the front office is confident that they've disclosed everything to the Cavs.

The Cavs value that Nets pick. It's going to get done. Thomas Robinson is already in Boston trying out for the last roster spot.

The funny part about this whole thing is if that pick falls outside of the top 5. If it does, then it's another fleecing courtesy of my favorite Blue Jay, Danny Ainge.

[Patman]

This is looking great for the Raptors... Boston on top of giving up top 5 pick + Crowder + IT + Zizic will now be forced to give up another pick or their depth just for Kyrie ... I'm loving it. Great for the raps and this gives Lebron ammunition to go up against Warriors.

Aren't we trying to beat the Cavs? I don't care about beating Boston unless we're also beating the Cavs.

I hope that IT is not 100% this year and we beat both the Cavs and the Celtics.

We are not beating Cavs as long as they have Lebron.. But Boston we can beat them and the thing they have on us is their asset draft picks and young talent ... the more they f that up better for us .

If the deal becomes finalized, I hope IT is not 100%. We have a chance to beat the Cavs if their two best players are LeBron and Love.