Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0

[mojo13]

Check your local CBC TV listings ( first game 6: 00 P.M. Tuesday Pacific time ).

If you like to stream check the CBC Gem app. ( Dan Shulman is the announcer ).

I’m seeing 4pm PT start time.

https://www.fiba.basketball/oqt/canada/2020/games

[TrueNorth31]

Damn I always get that backwards !

What are the viewing options in the States ?

[mojo13]

I always get that backwards !

What are your viewing options ?

ESPN+ does a great job in the US. All qualifier tournaments live and on demand. Even had the AmeriCup qualifier games.
Good quality - easy to use.

[TrueNorth31]

Teams are starting to show up for practice at Shields court.

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[TrueNorth31]

The 12 Dev Adam - 12 Tall Men - as the Turks go by , also at practice.

We need a Nickname for our lads - the Aussies go by the Boomers - what about Canada - The Tall Maples -Twelve Large Angry Lumberjacks ( ? ) Canada Basketball should have a contest .

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[Kenter16]

Any word of Canada’s practices? Curious to see who made the trip North.

How about the Redwoods? Works for Victoria specifically as most of the redwoods in Canada are located on the island. But, doesn’t really scream Canadian.

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An Anthony Bennett sighting! I’m all in for the redemption tour.

[mojo13]

Here is the 14.

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Final 12 submitted 24 hours before tip off.

Strange that no Klassen is there and mildly worrisome as we now have very, very little size. Unless you guys think a 19 year Sim Bhullar 2.0 can actually fill a meaningful role here. He might be on the final 12 with Klassen out.

My god the paint defense could get ugly.

Was Klassen even verified to be at camp? The French league was still going on when camp started but not when his team ended. Wonder what happened?

[aminiaturebuddha]

So who do we think the final two cuts will be from that list?

I would guess that Nembhard will be one. Maybe Doornekamp? Or do they keep him for his international experience?

I know he's had a pretty disappointing career all around (and a bad season), but I'm happy to see Lyles on the team. As far as I can remember, he hasn't played for Canada since playing on the junior team at the 2013 U-19 World Championship, where he and Tyler Ennis were forming a pretty formidable combo until Ennis got injured and the team stumbled, finishing 6th. Glad to see him back in the fold.

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So who do we think the final two cuts will be from that list?

I would guess that Nembhard will be one. Maybe Doornekamp? Or do they keep him for his international experience?

I know he's had a pretty disappointing career all around (and a bad season), but I'm happy to see Lyles on the team. As far as I can remember, he hasn't played for Canada since playing on the junior team at the 2013 U-19 World Championship, where he and Tyler Ennis were forming a pretty formidable combo until Ennis got injured and the team stumbled, finishing 6th. Glad to see him back in the fold.

I think one of Doornekamp, Edey, and Bennett doesn't make the final 12.
Hard to know about Bennett - what kind of shape is he in? Did he many games in in Puerto Rico?

And I think the guard out will be Mulder or Nembhard - I agree that it's probably Nembhard.

Re Lyles, yes, I believe it will be his first appearance for Canada since the U19s.

[Kenter16]

Doornekamp and Nembhard are the cuts for me. I don’t think this coaching staff is all that worried about international experience, or so it seems. Plus, Bennett has some experience as well. He was there in 2015 as well.
Nemhard played really well in the World Cup, but you’d be crazy to take him over Mulder. Mulder isn’t an all around talent but he is an elite shooter and good enough every where else to carve out a decent role in Golden State. Nembard was the 6th man at Gonzaga. Obviously was very key in there run, but without any other knowledge could you take a college 6th man over an NBA rotation player?

[Stromile12]

bring back Carl English

[mojo13]

Doornekamp and Nembhard are the cuts for me. I don’t think this coaching staff is all that worried about international experience, or so it seems. Plus, Bennett has some experience as well. He was there in 2015 as well.
Nemhard played really well in the World Cup, but you’d be crazy to take him over Mulder. Mulder isn’t an all around talent but he is an elite shooter and good enough every where else to carve out a decent role in Golden State. Nembard was the 6th man at Gonzaga. Obviously was very key in there run, but without any other knowledge could you take a college 6th man over an NBA rotation player?

Where is this meme of Nembhard being good in the World Cup coming from? I remember a very young player who was targeted defensively and could not shoot from the outside. The best I can say about him is he seemed to be able to get into the paint, make a decent pass from time to time and looked somewhat poised for his age.
Maybe he didn't look terrible but I didn't come away too impressed. I actually saw him as a defensive liability.
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https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/team/Canada#tab=overview,average_statistics

Bell Haynes (MVP candidate in the German BBL) has to be the much superior player to Nembhard ....let alone Mulder.

With that, I don't see any need for Nembhard with CoJo, NAW, TBH and even Barrett and Wiggins' playmaking.

And honestly - for those of you clamoring for Melvin Ejim. Aaron Doornekamp does much of the same and might even have a better professional resume (3 years in the EuroLeague). I'm not gonna say Doornekamp (past his prime) is better than Ejim - but he is fairly similar (defensive toughness, versatility, FIBA experience) and is less the drop off as many think.

I'd toss Edey out if I wasn't so worried about the size of the Euro bigs and the game tactic differences (and why Klassen actually had a role here).

And there is a BIG difference between guys who played a FIBA tournament one every year or two and guys who play FIBA day in and day out like Klassen, Doornekamp and TBH. Nurse I think knows this, and I'd be surprised of Doornekamp and TBH are not on the final 12. How many times in the past did he riff on the need for FIBA players like Pangos and Ejim on any team?

It is all moot anyway....what are we doing even obsessing over the 11th/12th men on this team? Who really cares? (talking to my self here)

Tell me me more on how you see Nurse using CoJo, NAW, Wiggins, Barrett and Dort together. How vulnerable are we defensively with a Powell, Lyles, Nicholson front line? Can Wiggins play the 4 in FIBA? Does Nurse run with CoJo and NAW at the same time? How do you deploy Dort defensively? Is he a liability on offense? Is Lyles going to be hot garbage or one of the best bigs in this tournament? Can we properly utilize a one dimensional Powell?

[Kenter16]

Doornekamp and Nembhard are the cuts for me. I don’t think this coaching staff is all that worried about international experience, or so it seems. Plus, Bennett has some experience as well. He was there in 2015 as well.
Nemhard played really well in the World Cup, but you’d be crazy to take him over Mulder. Mulder isn’t an all around talent but he is an elite shooter and good enough every where else to carve out a decent role in Golden State. Nembard was the 6th man at Gonzaga. Obviously was very key in there run, but without any other knowledge could you take a college 6th man over an NBA rotation player?

Where is this meme of Nembhard being good in the World Cup coming from? I remember a very young player who was targeted defensively and could not shoot from the outside. The best I can say about him is he seemed to be able to get into the paint, make a decent pass from time to time and looked somewhat poised for his age.
Maybe he didn't look terrible but I didn't come away too impressed. I actually saw him as a defensive liability.
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https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/team/Canada#tab=overview,average_statistics

Bell Haynes (MVP candidate in the German BBL) has to be the much superior player to Nembhard ....let alone Mulder.

With that, I don't see any need for Nembhard with CoJo, NAW, TBH and even Barrett and Wiggins' playmaking.

And honestly - for those of you clamoring for Melvin Ejim. Aaron Doornekamp does much of the same and might even have a better professional resume (3 years in the EuroLeague). I'm not gonna say Doornekamp (past his prime) is better than Ejim - but he is fairly similar (defensive toughness, versatility, FIBA experience) and is less the drop off as many think.

I'd toss Edey out if I wasn't so worried about the size of the Euro bigs and the game tactic differences (and why Klassen actually had a role here).

And there is a BIG difference between guys who played a FIBA tournament one every year or two and guys who play FIBA day in and day out like Klassen, Doornekamp and TBH. Nurse I think knows this, and I'd be surprised of Doornekamp and TBH are not on the final 12. How many times in the past did he riff on the need for FIBA players like Pangos and Ejim on any team?

It is all moot anyway....what are we doing even obsessing over the 11th/12th men on this team? Who really cares? (talking to my self here)

Tell me me more on how you see Nurse using CoJo, NAW, Wiggins, Barrett and Dort together. How vulnerable are we defensively with a Powell, Lyles, Nicholson front line? Can Wiggins play the 4 in FIBA? Does Nurse run with CoJo and NAW at the same time? How do you deploy Dort defensively? Is he a liability on offense? Is Lyles going to be hot garbage or one of the best bigs in this tournament? Can we properly utilize a one dimensional Powell?

You're right, so let me change my Nembhard take. He was really good leading up to the world cup in the exhibitions then his play trailed off in the actual world cup.
I would be the 11th and 12th guys don't see the court. It is such a short tournament and each game means everything. I see nurse running a 8 or 9 man rotation.

Guards - CoJo, NAW, Dort
Wings - Barrett, Wiggins, Mulder
Centre/Forward - Lyles, Nicholson and Powell

[Mattd97]

It is all moot anyway....what are we doing even obsessing over the 11th/12th men on this team? Who really cares? (talking to my self here)

Because this is canada basketball and we've watched as those same 12th men have subbed in for out star player on the most important possession of the cycle and cost us the olympics

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It is all moot anyway....what are we doing even obsessing over the 11th/12th men on this team? Who really cares? (talking to my self here)

Tell me me more on how you see Nurse using CoJo, NAW, Wiggins, Barrett and Dort together. How vulnerable are we defensively with a Powell, Lyles, Nicholson front line? Can Wiggins play the 4 in FIBA? Does Nurse run with CoJo and NAW at the same time? How do you deploy Dort defensively? Is he a liability on offense? Is Lyles going to be hot garbage or one of the best bigs in this tournament? Can we properly utilize a one dimensional Powell?

I agree that Mulder over Nembard is the right call for the 5th guard, and that it likely won't matter. But obsessing over the roster decisions is what we do. At least until the games start, when we will obsess over the coaching decisions.

Re the other questions, yes, I think we are vulnerable defensively with a frontline of Powell, Lyles, and Nicholson. As you pointed out above, this is FIBA, and Turkey, Greece and Czech have some very big inside players. What I don't know is whether Doornekamp or Edey would be better enough defensively to make it worth it to sacrifice the offensive dropoff of having them in a lot. Definitely need one on the roster for certain situations, but not sure that I want one playing a lot.

Re CoJo and NAW at the same time? I think we are more likely to go big two true bigs rather than Wiggins at the 4), which will limit opportunities to have Cojo and NAW in simultaneously.

E.g., starting lineup of CoJo, Barrett, Wiggins, and 2 bigs with the first guard/wing substitution being NAW or Dort for Barrett or Wiggins.

[Kenter16]

E.g., starting lineup of CoJo, Barrett, Wiggins, and 2 bigs with the first guard/wing substitution being NAW or Dort for Barrett or Wiggins.

Nurse is a guy who puts the best 5 guys on the court and figures the rest out accordingly. Having Cojo, NAW, Barrett, Wiggins and Powell on the court at one time may hinder us defensively, but those guys can create a ton of offense. Nurse will create a scheme defensively to keep the ball out of the block. Double teams, fronting their bigs, etc. I would also swap Dort with NAW. I think Dort needs to see the court a lot.

How long can teams afford to keep 2 lumbering bigs out on the court against us? I can't imagine long after we hit a few open jumpers or drive for some easy layups. If someone 6'10" 240 comes out to guard Wiggins or Barrett, they can just drive past them and when the other team collapses we can kick out for an open 3. Our athleticism is our strength. If we put out leave that on the bench so we can have Andrew Nicholson out there, we'll we lose that advantage. Maybe a bad example because Nicholson is fairly athletic, but you get my point.

Having said that, it is likely that they play a lot of 2 big sets as well. We just don't have a lot of depth there, so I don't think you will see it often. I would only play Nicholson, Lyles and Powell. If any of them get in foul trouble you will be forced to go small.
When Golden State played LA in the play in game Wiggins was the player who guarded Lebron the most. So he is very capable of guarding players that are 6'9" - 6'10".

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Doornekamp?

Dear, dear god

[TrueNorth31]

Final roster - maybe ( with CB you never know ) ?

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