Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[Asif16]

If the plan really isnt to Keep Dragic...I wonder if its because they want to keep the spot open for someone else.

Josh Hart maybe? WOuld we have money left for Hart if we buy out Dragic?

[douggood]

If the plan really isnt to Keep Dragic...I wonder if its because they want to keep the spot open for someone else.

Josh Hart maybe? WOuld we have money left for Hart if we buy out Dragic?

nothing unless dragic gives up all his salary, or we trade him to a team like okc/magic who have large TPE to take his salary and thus giving us tpe.

but john hollinger says the the trade with miami is giving us a TPE and depending on a 3 team trade that tpe will get bigger; thats why i think the raptors will explore all avenues before finalizing the heat trade.

[dkb9696]

If the plan really isnt to Keep Dragic...I wonder if its because they want to keep the spot open for someone else.

Josh Hart maybe? WOuld we have money left for Hart if we buy out Dragic?

The Raptors have always been rumored to like Hart. I think the Pelicans are high on him as well though. Can we trade Dragic for him in a sign and trade?

[douggood]

Marc Stien

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/whats-left-for-the-lakers

The Raptors might ultimately trade Goran Dragić after completing their sign-and-trade deal with Miami that will send Kyle Lowry to the Heat, but they have resisted external interest in Dragić thus far, league sources say. Dallas, I’m told, is among the teams that has tried to acquire him via trade and remains interested in acquiring Dragić after missing out on Lowry. Toronto appears to have other plans for now — which certainly don’t include buying him out. In the wake of Dragić’s emotional Miami exit, Dallas is obviously an appealing destination since it would team him with his fellow Slovenian Luka Dončić.

[Asif16]

Marc Stien

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/whats-left-for-the-lakers

The Raptors might ultimately trade Goran Dragić after completing their sign-and-trade deal with Miami that will send Kyle Lowry to the Heat, but they have resisted external interest in Dragić thus far, league sources say. Dallas, I’m told, is among the teams that has tried to acquire him via trade and remains interested in acquiring Dragić after missing out on Lowry. Toronto appears to have other plans for now — which certainly don’t include buying him out. In the wake of Dragić’s emotional Miami exit, Dallas is obviously an appealing destination since it would team him with his fellow Slovenian Luka Dončić.

What the hell does this mean? What are the Raptors up to lmao

[traps#10]

Marc Stien

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/whats-left-for-the-lakers

The Raptors might ultimately trade Goran Dragić after completing their sign-and-trade deal with Miami that will send Kyle Lowry to the Heat, but they have resisted external interest in Dragić thus far, league sources say. Dallas, I’m told, is among the teams that has tried to acquire him via trade and remains interested in acquiring Dragić after missing out on Lowry. Toronto appears to have other plans for now — which certainly don’t include buying him out. In the wake of Dragić’s emotional Miami exit, Dallas is obviously an appealing destination since it would team him with his fellow Slovenian Luka Dončić.

What the hell does this mean? What are the Raptors up to lmao

A whole lot of nothing from that piece

[Asif16]

Marc Stien

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/whats-left-for-the-lakers

What the hell does this mean? What are the Raptors up to lmao

A whole lot of nothing from that piece

I mean The raptors having other plans and not wanting to buy out Dragic...I think that's pretty significant for now

[Tacoma]

Why? I never said is what likely (especially since we're shopping him this moment), just that it aint the end of the world if we keep Dragic.

Having said that, I like to gamble, so I'm willing to play along with some conditions. Specifically, IF we keep Dragic and assuming Dragic doesn't pull an Alonzo on us + is a committed teammate who is willing / wanting to play in the actual games, then yeah, I'll make a bet along the lines of 'In games where both GTJ and Dragic and healthy + playing, that Dragic starts more than GTJ.'.

If Dragic gets traded mid season, then thats where we cap it and work the %'s.

I'm just implying that it's absurd that you would pay a 23 year old 54 million dollars and then play him behind a 34 year old mediocre player on a fringe playoff team.

I guess we just differ on opinion. Throwing GTJ into a role he may not be ready for could be more detrimental than good. And just because he signed that contract, to me, doesn't mean he's an insta starter.. nor does it mean that he wont eventually be our starter. Ultimately, I'll trust Masai's evaluation of it all, but my guess is that they would be ok with GTJ being a 6th man for 1 year if thats what our roster construct dictates.

GTJ is ready. He was already a starter in his last season with POR and last year in TOR. We are not contending next season, so we should be in player development mode and thus GTJ should continue to be a starter next season. If Dragic is still with us next season, the only reason you'd start him is to showcase him for the purpose of trading him away.

[Dalek]

What about the one where we lost Kawhi and Danny Green and replaced them with Stanley Johnson and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

Then last year losing Ibaka, Marc Gasol and RHJ, replacing them with Aron Baynes, Deandre Bembry and Alex Len.

You'd think by now that fans would realize that this FO does very little in the FA market, and when they did (the Carroll/CoJo year), it was a mistake.

They usually retain their guys, people freak out about the overpay and leverage. It doesn't end up mattering at all. And then they'll find some low end rotation players.

Good god that is an awful two years, but this year's signings include some guy who tried out for the Bills and another who is a white supremacist. At least we got Trent Jr. and Birch which have a good connection to the fanbase.

[dhackett1565]

Thanks. I am looking forward when everything is made official. I am not holding my breath regarding Dragic being traded though. Do you know of there Is there any truth that the Heat need to improve the trade package if Dragic is not traded in a 3 team deal?

I don't know if there's any truth to that. It's a possible explanation why details haven't leaked on the trade - that is, the details weren't finalized so there was nothing to leak. However, it is also possible that the teams are just good at not leaking when they don't want to.

Should we assume you’re prepping an updated “Salary Breakdown” for the team once all the pieces are clarified?

LOL I just wrote it this morning, now just need to see the deal so I can plug in actual facts instead of assumptions.

[dkb9696]

Then last year losing Ibaka, Marc Gasol and RHJ, replacing them with Aron Baynes, Deandre Bembry and Alex Len.

You'd think by now that fans would realize that this FO does very little in the FA market, and when they did (the Carroll/CoJo year), it was a mistake.

They usually retain their guys, people freak out about the overpay and leverage. It doesn't end up mattering at all. And then they'll find some low end rotation players.

Good god that is an awful two years, but this year's signings include some guy who tried out for the Bills and another who is a white supremacist. At least we got Trent Jr. and Birch which have a good connection to the fanbase.

They are both just camp invites/partial guarantee deals though correct? Neither may ever suit up for the team is what I am asking.

[tms]

If this deal falls apart and Lowry has to come back again, it'd be epic. Hats off to the basketball gods if they can pull that one off fr

[aligator]

Can't see that happening but it may be that we will hear no finalized Miami deal until more clarity on Dragic situation.

[Blood Orange]

Is this deal ever going to get done? Whats the hold up seriously?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Is this deal ever going to get done? Whats the hold up seriously?

Masai don't like what Dallas is offering

[ATLTimekeeper]

Then last year losing Ibaka, Marc Gasol and RHJ, replacing them with Aron Baynes, Deandre Bembry and Alex Len.

You'd think by now that fans would realize that this FO does very little in the FA market, and when they did (the Carroll/CoJo year), it was a mistake.

They usually retain their guys, people freak out about the overpay and leverage. It doesn't end up mattering at all. And then they'll find some low end rotation players.

Good god that is an awful two years, but this year's signings include some guy who tried out for the Bills and another who is a white supremacist. At least we got Trent Jr. and Birch which have a good connection to the fanbase.

I'm pretty sure Dekker isn't a white supremacist and JR Smith is a moron. The guy who tried out for the Bills is a professional basketball player. These are also camp tryouts, and these guys are always low stakes year to year.

Please point me to one tremendous FA acquisition made by Masai Ujiri. There's not one. Bizmack Biyombo was the best, and that wasn't anything to get hyped about at the time. He just worked out for one year. Once you accept that this is how they operate, and that they've been highly successful, it makes FA go a lot easier. They retain their guys, typically, they stay under the tax unless there's a window to go for it. This year was about going for Giannis, he screwed that plan. Maybe they thought about roping Kawhi back in, he screwed his knee. There were no meaningful moves to be made in signing guys with 20ish million.

[Asif16]

Josh Lewenberg said the Trade Call with the League is expected to be completed by evening Tonight

[Dalek]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

[Godaddycurse]

This is a good sign to me that this is taking so long. I have a feeling we have found a way to move Dragic on, otherwise why would the trade take this long if all the specifics are already done.

One idea that I don't know if it is plausible would be to within this deal with Miami is to expand it with Chicago.

Toronto sends out Dragic and Boucher (combined $26m) to Chicago
Chicago S+T for Lauri Markannen ($25m starting with declining salary over three years) to Toronto

Toronto gets a starting scoring C to add to a pretty defensive line-up, while Chicago gets a defensive replacement for Lauri in Boucher - plus Dragic who can back-up Ball.

I am not a cap expert, so I am not sure if this is even doable.

Markkanen is BYC so he is only worth 1/2 of his salary when matching a trade. Which makes this illegal

[WuTang_CMB]

They wont go after markenen hes soft and cant defend

The 5 position is is set with Birch and Achiuwa splitting minutes. Gilliespie will be the 3rd stringer but likely will play majority of games in g league.