The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

[Mikistan]

[Raps in 4]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

[OakleyDokely]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Crazy that there were rumours that the Raps tried hard to trade up for Mobley and were going to take Giddey if they didn't move up. They've been linked to the top 3 performing rooks so far in Barnes, Mobley and Giddey.

[WaltFrazier]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Being on bad teams will do that to rookies

[maternal85]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Being on bad teams will do that to rookies

No, so far it looks like they were overhyped. This is not the case of being on a bad team. They should be scoring the lights out actually.

[Raps in 4]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Being on bad teams will do that to rookies

I mean, Cleveland and OKC suck too. We're not great either.

[LoveMyRaps]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Being on bad teams will do that to rookies

I mean, Cleveland and OKC suck too. We're not great either.

I think what Walt was tryna get at is that they suck at developing players (i.e. Cavs & Pistons)

Raptors & OKC do it well .

[JJ From Deep]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Being on bad teams will do that to rookies

Then how do you explain the play of Scottie Barnes

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Being on bad teams will do that to rookies

Then how do you explain the play of Scottie Barnes

Raptors are bad but they aren't that bad.

[will]

Its not close.

Barnes by a mile.

[Clay Davis]

Josh Giddy looks a lot like how I envisioned Rand Al'thor to look

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[Tacoma]

If the Raps had drafted Suggs, we'd say Barnes is ahead at this point, but is only 20 games. We would point out that guys like Butler averaged 3 PPG or Dirk shot 20% from 3PT in their rookie season. Barnes/Suggs' rookie season still has 62 games left.

Suggs' defense is very good, as good as advertised for someone who played only 20 games. His issue is he can't shoot from long distance. Looking at the stats, 42% of his shots are from 3PT and he's doing it at a paltry rate of 25% (similar to Barnes). 49% of Suggs' shots are from beyond 16ft vs. only 18% for Barnes. Suggs is attempting 5 3PT shots per game vs. 1 attempt for Barnes.

All these misses on high volume and he's lost confidence but don't expect this to continue forever. We are fully expecting Barnes to improve his 3PT shot, so why not give the same leeway to Suggs? It's only 20 games into a long career for both high IQ players with excellent work ethic. Yes, Barnes is clearly ahead but it's a long season and a long career for both. The race has begun, not ended.

[720]

Damn Suggs has a lot of votes. Must have been during preseason or something.

[OakleyDokely]

If the Raps had drafted Suggs, we'd say Barnes is ahead at this point, but is only 20 games. We would point out that guys like Butler averaged 3 PPG or Dirk shot 20% from 3PT in their rookie season. Barnes/Suggs' rookie season still has 62 games left.

Suggs' defense is very good, as good as advertised for someone who played only 20 games. His issue is he can't shoot from long distance. Looking at the stats, 42% of his shots are from 3PT and he's doing it at a paltry rate of 25% (similar to Barnes). 49% of Suggs' shots are from beyond 16ft vs. only 18% for Barnes. Suggs is attempting 5 3PT shots per game vs. 1 attempt for Barnes.

All these misses on high volume and he's lost confidence but don't expect this to continue forever. We are fully expecting Barnes to improve his 3PT shot, so why not give the same leeway to Suggs? It's only 20 games into a long career for both high IQ players with excellent work ethic. Yes, Barnes is clearly ahead but it's a long season and a long career for both. The race has begun, not ended.

Just given their physical profiles, I dont ever see Suggs being more valuable than Barnes.

[Vampirate]

Damn Suggs has a lot of votes. Must have been during preseason or something.

I'm not a scout, I pretty much wanted Suggs at the time because people including the media were hyping him up.

I saw him do a video where he did a crossover move and thought, we'll he has the handle to get to the basket at least.

At the end of the day though when they were drafted at the time, the more I thought of it, the more I thought that Barnes and Suggs were basically the same players, but Barnes was a bigger, stronger, longer, more athletic version but with worse shooting.

[720]

Damn Suggs has a lot of votes. Must have been during preseason or something.

I'm not a scout, I pretty much wanted Suggs at the time because people including the media were hyping him up.

I saw him do a video where he did a crossover move and thought, we'll he has the handle to get to the basket at least.

At the end of the day though when they were drafted at the time, the more I thought of it, the more I thought that Barnes and Suggs were basically the same players, but Barnes was a bigger, stronger, longer, more athletic version but with worse shooting.

I wanted Suggs at the time too, but after we picked him the reports started coming out that Barnes had a great workout with us. Then all the footage of his workouts came out (his vertical tests and what not). Then in summer league game 1 and 4 he was great.

At the moment you could argue Barnes is a better shooter so far as well. They're both comparably bad at the three point line but Barnes has that mid range going.

[Vampirate]

Damn Suggs has a lot of votes. Must have been during preseason or something.

I'm not a scout, I pretty much wanted Suggs at the time because people including the media were hyping him up.

I saw him do a video where he did a crossover move and thought, we'll he has the handle to get to the basket at least.

At the end of the day though when they were drafted at the time, the more I thought of it, the more I thought that Barnes and Suggs were basically the same players, but Barnes was a bigger, stronger, longer, more athletic version but with worse shooting.

I wanted Suggs at the time too, but after we picked him the reports started coming out that Barnes had a great workout with us. Then all the footage of his workouts came out (his vertical tests and what not). Then in summer league game 1 and 4 he was great.

At the moment you could argue Barnes is a better shooter so far as well. They're both comparably bad at the three point line but Barnes has that mid range going.

The only player in the draft that has the physical/athletic advantage over Barnes is Mobley.

You just can't teach the ability to be able to easily dunk or shoot over people.

Obviously there are exceptions to this rule like JA Morant but his playstyle might lead to injuries, as does Zion's.

Obviously we'd be ecstatic to have either but that's the reality.

Barnes doesn't have the greatest jumping ability like a JA or the explosiveness of a Jalen Green, but in theory it should also make him more durable.

The more ease/less exertion the points come to the player the less strain on the body.

[tecumseh18]

Yes, Barnes is clearly ahead but it's a long season and a long career for both. The race has begun, not ended.

Just given their physical profiles, I dont ever see Suggs being more valuable than Barnes.

It was always a higher floor/higher ceiling issue. And Scottie has addressed any concern there. His floor is now equivalent to Suggs', and his ceiling (some sort of mashup of Giannis and Draymond) is considerably higher.

Having said that, Suggs' defence is really good, while Scottie's is a work in progress.

[tecumseh18]

Giddey is awesome. Him and Mobley were the only players I was right about in this draft lol (but I still didn't have the guts to rank Giddey ahead of Suggs).

I still can't wrap my head around how bad Cade, Green, and Suggs have been.

Crazy that there were rumours that the Raps tried hard to trade up for Mobley and were going to take Giddey if they didn't move up. They've been linked to the top 3 performing rooks so far in Barnes, Mobley and Giddey.

And then go back to reports of Masai being in on Giannis, SGA and LaMelo at their respective drafts. None of those guys were "gimme" stars-in-waiting.

[johanliebert]

Yes, Barnes is clearly ahead but it's a long season and a long career for both. The race has begun, not ended.

Just given their physical profiles, I dont ever see Suggs being more valuable than Barnes.

It was always a higher floor/higher ceiling issue. And Scottie has addressed any concern there. His floor is now equivalent to Suggs', and his ceiling (some sort of mashup of Giannis and Draymond) is considerably higher.

Having said that, Suggs' defence is really good, while Scottie's is a work in progress.

Draymond in the same sentence as Giannis is comical. If Barnes comparison is draymond than he’s a failure.

Don’t let NBA media/Twitter find comparable for you.