[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[TGM]

People are crazy to want Cam Johnson. Why trade for another fringe starter. The probably this team has is we have like 10 guys that would be your 7th best guy on a team. Cam is overinflated stats if you watch his game. I classify him in the Tim Hardaway Jr category or at best Norman Powell. That's not what we need. If we are trading a potential DPOY type of guy that still has another year under contract you get a young player with upside and also picks. If Cam was 21/22 maybe the story would be different, but I don't see him improve much beyond where he is now. Add in the injuries he is one of those guys where whoever has his bird rights end up resigning him a contract they will regret because they fear losing him.

[Clutch0z24]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

In terms of actual players coming back our way this is prolly the best package for us atm but 1 draft pick ....I kinda want more draft picks....If Knicks offered 3 picks + Quickly and Barrett that be nice...

[islandboy53]

Why is Johnson willing to settle for $20m?

-cap going up in 2 years
-looks around and sees guys like Hield, Fournier and Duncan Robinson (and others) making $19m and he’s only going to ask for $20m?

How is it not more likely he’s looking for $25m?

We trade OG to PHX and we’re also looking at getting picks in the 20’s as they now have: Booker, Bridges, OG and Ayton (all 26 or younger) so they’ll probably be pretty good going forward. Don’t we want at least 1 asset with high upside coming back?

He can look for $25m all he wants, he's not going to get it. Not even he asked for that much, so you guys are making up arguments out of thin air lol.

The only report I can find is one Suns radio guy saying he heard Cam wanted something in the 4/85 range prior to the season. Cam is having his best season so far so why has he lowered his asking price?

If a guy asks for 4/85 (speculated by one person) and then improves his play, why is that player now willing to accept 4/80? And why would his leverage decline when he can now negotiate with multiple teams this off season instead of just one (PHX)?

Time to admit defeat on this, Barneys, and move on.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

dark horse and rumor according to one reddit post.

Another Porter Jr to go with Otto? A family reunion?

Just need Kevin Porter Jr. to complete the set.

And all injured a lot, let’s goo

[PhilBlackson]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

[will]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

Mans is constantly injured missed big chunks of games.

[KrazyP]

What about OG to the Warriors? GSW doesn't have many years left to try and win another title with Steph-Klay-Draymond so I think they need to maximize their chance this year. An elite 3D guy would help solidify their rotation.

Because of GSW's contracts it would almost have to be OG for Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman (obviously we'd have to create roster spots by moving small salary on our end). I know people want picks but Kuminga and Moody are only in Year 2 so they are almost like accelerated first round picks; who knows if Wiseman might show something. Maybe we can get their 2023 first, accepting it won't be very good.

The Warriors are generally a well run organization but they really had back to back draft day disasters. Picked Wiseman when the next pick was Lamelo Ball and picked Kuminga when the next pick was Franz Wagner.

[douggood]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

[will]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

Can count on the Knicks to do Knicks things.

[PhilBlackson]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

…and what makes you think those are the only deals available when it’s already widely reported that there’s interest league wide?! lol

Those (plus MEM) are only the teams that have been leaked SO FAR (you’re also excluding POR who went after him in the off-season and whom Dame is still apparently applying pressure to be more competitive) ie/ no one was even talking about CLE yet Mitchell ended up there…not NYK, TOR or any other team that was reported at the time.

There is nothing that says those are our only offers, quite the contrary.

[ATLTimekeeper]

People are crazy to want Cam Johnson. Why trade for another fringe starter. The probably this team has is we have like 10 guys that would be your 7th best guy on a team. Cam is overinflated stats if you watch his game. I classify him in the Tim Hardaway Jr category or at best Norman Powell. That's not what we need. If we are trading a potential DPOY type of guy that still has another year under contract you get a young player with upside and also picks. If Cam was 21/22 maybe the story would be different, but I don't see him improve much beyond where he is now. Add in the injuries he is one of those guys where whoever has his bird rights end up resigning him a contract they will regret because they fear losing him.

How are Cam's stats inflated? He's a 3 point shooter. No upside, I'll give you that, but if there's an unprotected pick or two thrown in that's your 'upside.' It really depends on what the market is offering, and the Raptors willingness to cash out on OG.

I'm definitely not thrilled with this package, but Cam fits as a guy that is immediately our best shooter, doesn't need the ball at all, moves the ball, follows schemes and can play in any line-up combination. You put that guy with Pascal or Scottie and their jobs are easier. eFG on catch and shoot attempts is 66%.

I won't belabour my feelings about DPOY-level perimeter defenders, but it would be tough to lose out on that for OG's prime. It's not necessary to build a great defense, though.

[Yeezus_]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

[canz55]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

If those are the offers then you don't trade him.

It has to be a young player with another to match salaries and at least two firsts. If you don't get it then you move on and enjoy the rest of the season.

[StopitLeo]

What about OG to the Warriors? GSW doesn't have many years left to try and win another title with Steph-Klay-Draymond so I think they need to maximize their chance this year. An elite 3D guy would help solidify their rotation.

Because of GSW's contracts it would almost have to be OG for Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman (obviously we'd have to create roster spots by moving small salary on our end). I know people want picks but Kuminga and Moody are only in Year 2 so they are almost like accelerated first round picks; who knows if Wiseman might show something. Maybe we can get their 2023 first, accepting it won't be very good.

The Warriors are generally a well run organization but they really had back to back draft day disasters. Picked Wiseman when the next pick was Lamelo Ball and picked Kuminga when the next pick was Franz Wagner.

The mistake with Wiseman, in my opinion, was drafting positionally and not taking the BPA (who I think was Ball). I think the Kuminga pick was fine. He's only in his second year and it's hard to compare his performance to Wagner when Franz is playing 30+ minutes per game.

[ForeverTFC]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

Do they? They're surely trying to build a core of Hali/Mathurin/OG/Turner. What else is there? Smith, Brisset and Duarte are all fringe players with limited upside imo.

[mtcan]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

Klutch spokesperson Shams speaks again!!

I like Indiana as a trade partner but we all have to accept that Haliburton and Mathurin aren't available. Hield shouldn't be an option as he probably has more value to a contending team. Chris Duarte is very very meh as a prospect. I dunno about Turner.

I really want to see what New Orleans has to offer.

New Orleans and Portland...those offers would interest me.

[T-d0t]

No idea why so many people are interested in a deal involving OG for Cam Johnson…for FVV sure but for OG, that’s underwhelming and I’d much rather target any NOP, POR or OKC as trade partners.

As Lowe reported the interest is near league wide, surely can do better than needing to pay up for a not so young, fairly one dimensional Cam Johnson.

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

Can count on the Knicks to do Knicks things.

I don't think any of the 3 picks that Knicks offered were unprotected. Was one of them the Dallas pick this year? If so that is top 10 protected

If you were to get 3 unprotected picks from a terribly run franchise like the Knicks, that may be a great haul for OG.

[raptor jesus]

Multiple good picks have to be the centerpiece of any deal for OG imo. I don't have much interest in some of the names being discussed as potential return (e.g. Cam Johnson). I'd prefer salary filler and picks that give our - very good - scouting department more kicks at the can in finding star talent in the draft.

[will]

would you rather
Fournier and 3 protected picks (or 2+1 etc)
or cam and 2 unprotected picks. (or 1+1 etc)

it comes down to offers avalaible.

Can count on the Knicks to do Knicks things.

I don't think any of the 3 picks that Knicks offered were unprotected. Was one of them the Dallas pick this year? If so that is top 10 protected

If you were to get 3 unprotected picks from a terribly run franchise like the Knicks, that may be a great haul for OG.

I do not believe that the Knicks with this new front office would be that foolish. Then again, I may be giving them too much credit.

[Yeezus_]

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Has this been posted? Pacers have some interest apparently. Pacers have some interesting young players that would help with a quick re-tool + picks.

Do they? They're surely trying to build a core of Hali/Mathurin/OG/Turner. What else is there? Smith, Brisset and Duarte are all fringe players with limited upside imo.

Nembhard looks like he's going to be really damn good. Also the pick equity would have to be there.