Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[ansoncarter]

bosh is the better iso scorer but he'd never be the pick/roll player amare is. He's not as reactive/instinctual/whatever as amare is and doesn't hands like amare and doesn't finish like amare

he's a better fit in houston though imo. Pretty sure houston will be one of those teams that just takes turns iso'ing players. Bosh is a way better iso threat than amare

[Guy986]

bosh is the better iso scorer but he'd never be the pick/roll player amare is. He's not as reactive/instinctual/whatever as amare is and doesn't hands like amare and doesn't finish like amare

he's a better fit in houston though imo. Pretty sure houston will be one of those teams that just takes turns iso'ing players. Bosh is a way better iso threat than amare

ehhhhh..... I certainly hope this isn't the case.

[Reignman]

Bosh doesnt play the pick and roll, he plays the pick and pop. Or at least he used to, now its all iso all the time.

Why do you think that is genius?

Do you really believe Bosh doesn't like to dunk the ball?

Give him a point guard that knows how to hit with a pass on the roll and he'd roll.

This is ridiculous, I feel like I'm talking with a bunch of newbies.

[Reignman]

Answer this, would Bosh be iso'ing every play or pick n popping if he played with Nash?

Now give your head a shake and go to bed.

[ansoncarter]

bosh is the better iso scorer but he'd never be the pick/roll player amare is. He's not as reactive/instinctual/whatever as amare is and doesn't hands like amare and doesn't finish like amare

he's a better fit in houston though imo. Pretty sure houston will be one of those teams that just takes turns iso'ing players. Bosh is a way better iso threat than amare

ehhhhh..... I certainly hope this isn't the case.

can't picture them having some kind of complex motion offence or something

they got aaron brooks at pg. And yao can pass a bit but last time I paid attention to them tmac was there and iirc they just took turns iso'ing

[Guy986]

bosh is the better iso scorer but he'd never be the pick/roll player amare is. He's not as reactive/instinctual/whatever as amare is and doesn't hands like amare and doesn't finish like amare

he's a better fit in houston though imo. Pretty sure houston will be one of those teams that just takes turns iso'ing players. Bosh is a way better iso threat than amare

ehhhhh..... I certainly hope this isn't the case.

can't picture them having some kind of complex motion offence or something

they got aaron brooks at pg. And yao can pass a bit but last time I paid attention to them tmac was there and iirc they just took turns iso'ing

Rick Adelman coached team has always had great ball movements. This year's Rockets was no exception. Just because they have a scoring PG doesn't mean they don't move the ball well. You don't need a great playmaker to run an offense smoothly. Aaron Brooks hold on to the ball waaaay less than someone like Derrick Rose for example.

Also i'll like to introduce you to Magic Hayes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upkTVPYb4i0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GG9r1RcEcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88XGCLem ... re=related

[ansoncarter]

wow the raptors could use some of that

make sure chuck hayes is part of out trade package please

[c_mac11]

Bosh is a excellent shooter, he doesnt have to drive to score, sure it helps to put the other team in foul trouble if he drives more but if he's confident in his jumper let him shoot it

[kingmalaki]

bosh is the better iso scorer but he'd never be the pick/roll player amare is. He's not as reactive/instinctual/whatever as amare is and doesn't hands like amare and doesn't finish like amare

he's a better fit in houston though imo. Pretty sure houston will be one of those teams that just takes turns iso'ing players. Bosh is a way better iso threat than amare

ehhhhh..... I certainly hope this isn't the case.

can't picture them having some kind of complex motion offence or something

they got aaron brooks at pg. And yao can pass a bit but last time I paid attention to them tmac was there and iirc they just took turns iso'ing

Yao is actually a great passer for a big man. The Rockets ran nothing but motion this year. They ran into problems at the end of games because their best iso option was a sub 6 foot PG that's easy to trap.

[just23]

A future Knick draft pick ain't bad at all and I'm fine with the rest of those guys. I actually do like Ariza and while his contract is too much, we don't have much firepower on offense here. He could have a big year and be very good trade bait if it's decided that he isn't good enough to keep at that price. Hill is a solid young piece as well. I like the Houston deal. I like any deal that doesn't make us older.
Expirings don't mean as much to me. We aren't getting rid of the overpaid Euros here any time soon, so even with expirings we won't have the cap space to do anything anyway.

[ansoncarter]

Yao is actually a great passer for a big man. The Rockets ran nothing but motion this year. They ran into problems at the end of games because their best iso option was a sub 6 foot PG that's easy to trap.

will it be like that when yao comes back though? barely remember the yao teams other than he got criticized a lot for being too unselfish and not asserting himself

if he played here I'd be disappointed if he didn't put all his focus on the basket

same thing with bosh. He doesn't pass but I'm sure he could since just plays at a higher level than everyone else, but why bother when the reason he's worth 100mil in the first place is his scoring

maybe he's a bad fit then. If adelman(is that your coach?) wants everyone slashing and moving all over why give 100mil to a guy who needs a lot of shot-clock all to himself. Should go after joe johnson or someone

[neurotik]

A future Knick draft pick ain't bad at all and I'm fine with the rest of those guys. I actually do like Ariza and while his contract is too much, we don't have much firepower on offense here. He could have a big year and be very good trade bait if it's decided that he isn't good enough to keep at that price. Hill is a solid young piece as well. I like the Houston deal. I like any deal that doesn't make us older.
Expirings don't mean as much to me. We aren't getting rid of the overpaid Euros here any time soon, so even with expirings we won't have the cap space to do anything anyway.

Ariza wont be part of the trade. Houston needs to keep him as part of the core in order to be a legit contender. He is their lock down defender and slasher.

I wouldn't want him anyway. He doesn't want to play in Toronto, so that will probably affect his effort (if not consciously than subconsciously). The almost certain losing environment will add to this. Also, I would rather have Weems and DeRozen develop, since if we make this trade we will be in rebuild mode, then have one of them receive the minutes they received this year. Weems will be A LOT cheaper. And finally you have to consider Hedo. I think he should receive minutes next year so his trade value can be maximized and put him in a postion to be moved for a semi-decent return (if not next year than in 2 years).

[SkywalkerAC]

Yao is actually a great passer for a big man. The Rockets ran nothing but motion this year. They ran into problems at the end of games because their best iso option was a sub 6 foot PG that's easy to trap.

will it be like that when yao comes back though? barely remember the yao teams other than he got criticized a lot for being too unselfish and not asserting himself

if he played here I'd be disappointed if he didn't put all his focus on the basket

same thing with bosh. He doesn't pass but I'm sure he could since just plays at a higher level than everyone else, but why bother when the reason he's worth 100mil in the first place is his scoring

maybe he's a bad fit then. If adelman(is that your coach?) wants everyone slashing and moving all over why give 100mil to a guy who needs a lot of shot-clock all to himself. Should go after joe johnson or someone

you're assuming Bosh can't adapt to a different system. he's no Cwebb or Karl Malone in the passing department but he's one of the best in the world and he's going to buy in, especially if it's Rick Adelman with the sales pitch.

how many back cuts have we seen in the last 5+ years that were part of the system? that's right, zero - for all intents and purposes. part of that has been due to Bosh's playing style/strengths but i'm pretty confident that his game is actually pretty versatile. in houston i have no doubt his iso rate would go down yet while his efficiency rises.

[SkywalkerAC]

wow the raptors could use some of that

make sure chuck hayes is part of out trade package please

i'd say there's a pretty good shot he's part of the package. he's solid but completely expendable from the rockets POV.

[Skeebs]

I think once bosh is only scoring 20 ppg and grabing 9 rebounds a game people are going to be pretty pissed off in houston by the allstar break

[dagger]

I think Houston would be thrilled with Bosh. A Bosh square in the TNT/ESPN/ABC/CNNSI spotlight will perform at his highest, and with a better cast around him, will be highly motivated at all times. It's not about the numbers - that's been my rap about Bosh on Toronto. He wants his numbers and acclaim, but it doesn't translate into wins. On Houston, even a statistically diminished role will translate into lots of wins. Houston fans will be thrilled with a 55-60 win team.

[Skeebs]

Ya but when yao goes down and they have no one to play centre will bosh cry about defending the bigger players in the league? I dont doubt the motivation factor, vince scored 28ppg after bailing on us because he played with 2 other allstars. But really what did NJ accomplish? A secound round exit and having to trade the team away. Now they are a 20 win team.

You run into all sorts of problems when you give a supporting player a max contract. Bosh is not a leader, an A1 player or an NBA first or second team player. I'm not even sure hes made an NBA 3rd team yet to be honest.

If bosh landed in Detriot he would just be another really good role player instead of this psudeo superstar people think he is in toronto. He would be a carlos boozer or an amare stoudamire maybe. I dont understand why people think he deserves so much loot.

[Rhettmatic]

Ya but when yao goes down and they have no one to play centre will bosh cry about defending the bigger players in the league? I dont doubt the motivation factor, vince scored 28ppg after bailing on us because he played with 2 other allstars. But really what did NJ accomplish? A secound round exit and having to trade the team away. Now they are a 20 win team.

You run into all sorts of problems when you give a supporting player a max contract. Bosh is not a leader, an A1 player or an NBA first or second team player. I'm not even sure hes made an NBA 3rd team yet to be honest.

Bosh was second-team all-NBA in 2006-07.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Te ... to_present

[Skeebs]

Alright my bad hes made one all NBA team and that was when we won the conference. Other then that in his 7 years in the league hes got no accolades. We've had enough time to do the bosh experiment, its time to try something different.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Lets stop trying to build around Bosh and expect to win anything except the lottery. We need to find a new route.

[dacrusha]

Alright my bad hes made one all NBA team and that was when we won the conference. Other then that in his 7 years in the league hes got no accolades. We've had enough time to do the bosh experiment, its time to try something different.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Lets stop trying to build around Bosh and expect to win anything except the lottery. We need to find a new route.

We're heading for the off-ramp that says "Minnesota Timberwolves", so you'll get your wish soon.