Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

[lolwut]

One thing I've noticed in highlights, is that Siakam always seems to want to go to his right. I don't think I've seen him finish with his left hand.

He sure loves to curl right just like JV.

[Dr Positivity]

The 2014 draft was just weirdly OOC for Masai who otherwise has mostly gone after players with great production. Not just Bruno but Deandre Daniels pick (talented underperformer, soft) was the opposite type of player as his other ones

[Yallbecrazy]

So I've been watching more footage of Pascal, and honestly, is Chriss that much better of a prospect, if at all? Chriss might be the better athlete (I'm not entirely convinced), but Pascal is a freak athlete himself with a longer wingspan. Skill wise Chriss is a better shooter, and Pascal has a better feel for the game. What am I missing here? I still don't know too much about Pascal since I literally only heard about him on draft night, but everything I've watched so far is telling me we got a player with our 27th pick that's similar to one picked 8th overall.

Chriss is a near lock to be a bust, he is athletic with good shooting, but his rebounding may have been the worst ever for a guy in the lottery. Worse than Bargs. Also, it could be coaching, but his defense was awful too.

big men need to be able to rebound or play defense.

Also, some of have alluded to age, Siakam while 22 and old is fairly new to the game and I don't want to throw a Canadian high school basketball legend coach under the bus I'm unsure how good his coaching at New Mexico State was relatively, so he probably has more room to develop at 22 than a 20 year old who has been playing his whole life.

[S.W.A.N]

So I've been watching more footage of Pascal, and honestly, is Chriss that much better of a prospect, if at all? Chriss might be the better athlete (I'm not entirely convinced), but Pascal is a freak athlete himself with a longer wingspan. Skill wise Chriss is a better shooter, and Pascal has a better feel for the game. What am I missing here? I still don't know too much about Pascal since I literally only heard about him on draft night, but everything I've watched so far is telling me we got a player with our 27th pick that's similar to one picked 8th overall.

Chriss is a near lock to be a bust, he is athletic with good shooting, but his rebounding may have been the worst ever for a guy in the lottery. Worse than Bargs. Also, it could be coaching, but his defense was awful too.

big men need to be able to rebound or play defense.

Also, some of have alluded to age, Siakam while 22 and old is fairly new to the game and I don't want to throw a Canadian high school basketball legend coach under the bus I'm unsure how good his coaching at New Mexico State was relatively, so he probably has more room to develop at 22 than a 20 year old who has been playing his whole life.

Chriss needs a dleague year getting basketball fundamentals. I hope suns have a good system.

Agree that Siakam may have a bit more untapped potential than your average 22 year old due to his short career. If he can make the kind of progress he made going from 1st year college to 2nd.... hell of a pick at 27.


Should get lots of dleague burn to keep developing his game.

[TheGoodDoctor]

I can see why Masai is gushing over Siakam. I think Masai is seeing similarities (not identical or at the same level to be clear) to players that he really likes....ei/

I think he sees a similar energy level n aggressiveness like Faried, some shot blocking n potential for a 3pt shot like Ibaka n dreams that he can one day have SOME versatility like Green. So thats not implying he's like all those guys in one lol but he sees some traits n to whatever level Siakam can reach in each of those facets of the game that if he can even tap into half of the level each of those guys did we should have pretty damn good role player (which kinda undermines their value if they do it at a high level).

[Naysorn]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Poeltl and this guy end up being huge contributors for our team this year and our playoff run. Masai knows his stuff.

Basketball without borders is lowkey a huge asset for the Raptors too.

[Risk101]

Watching Pascal in a full game will instantly make you like him. His foot work, motor, and I.Q is really something else. Not to mention he can actually shoot the ball. To much skills not to like this pick.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQeapcqsA[/youtube]

[Naysorn]

Watching Pascal in a full game will instantly make you like him. His foot work, motor, and I.Q is really something else. Not to mention he can actually shoot the ball. To much skills not to like this pick.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQeapcqsA[/youtube]

What's his ceiling?

[AussieRaptor]

One thing I've noticed in highlights, is that Siakam always seems to want to go to his right. I don't think I've seen him finish with his left hand.

Nice guys finish last, awesome guys finish on her face, and Siakam finishes right.

The circle of life...

[Risk101]

What's his ceiling?

I don't know about ceiling but his game reminds me so much of a young Carl Landry. High motor guy who fights for rebounds and defends. And I know people will hear Carl Landry and think "I don't see it" but I'm talking about a young Landry who was an energy big off the bench doing things like this. There games are so similiar.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IMoChYVqs8[/youtube]

[JYD]

Watching Pascal in a full game will instantly make you like him. His foot work, motor, and I.Q is really something else. Not to mention he can actually shoot the ball. To much skills not to like this pick.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQeapcqsA[/youtube]

Thanks, just started watching. btw NMS has 2 starters from Toronto and 1 off the bench - Sim Bhullar's brother?

[theSkinny]

Vegg you need to concede your faulty argument,


Your talk with sub likely took place during the Babcock era, and then yes we would have a better grasp then him and his staff.

Now, you may seem to forget Masai's roots.. He was a scout, and a well regarded one and continues to demonstrate he knows what he is doing.

Add in all the new ways to evaluate players, there is zero conceivable notion that any of us would ever have a better handle on players.

I can't speak on all teams, but I personally have never felt more confidence in the Raps ability to evaluate prospects in the history of the team.


Each time you have attempted to extend this argument of yours you are are digging a deeper (and borderline baiting, name calling) just accept that you are wrong and move on.

You have no basis to say I am wrong. I have accumulated data and assessed comments and opinions over the years and even though some GM's do a pretty good job, many don't. Usually, after a bunch of discussion the opinions that are left as consensus are very accurate. IMO more accurate than the average GM. What makes you think the type of minds that we have amassed on this board over the years is not capable of coming to an accurate consensus? To act like it's not plausible is just stupid.

I'm not wrong and you have no right to state it like it has any objectivity.

I have not baited anyone and the guy that was responding was rude before I ever spoke to him. He called me asinine and asked if I knew what the word consensus is like I was a freakin' moron. I may not have responded with perfect manners but I didn't start it.

You aren't right either.. And you can keep beating your drum like the dead horse that it is, nothing changes.

And yes, you borderline baited someone...

How did you accumulate said data? Because I can guarantee that it doesn't even scratch the surface of what is available to the Raptors.

if you would stop being so defensive for one minute and actually look subjectively at what you are saying, you may as well realize you are coming off as a know it all while at the same time basing all your arguments on conjecture and your own personal horn tooting.

Which may come as a surprise, are not facts, nor are they absolute truths.. They are merely your opinion.. Which happens to be false.

Accept it, move on and go about your life.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Huh? He didn't reach last year, and both players are good.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument

Fact is Masai hasn't been here very long but we know he reached really bad on Bruno and he had a hand in us drafting Solomon Alibi. Even Delon Wright was a bit of a reach with Portis still on the board. This year he reached on Pascal,so I'd say he's developing a history for reaching on draft picks in Toronto. But, hey don't let history get in the way of ignorance

Well lets not get history get in the way of ignorance. You mentioned Alibi but not Powell.
Delon Wright wasn't a reach. Dallas would've picked him right after us if we'd passed on him.
And can someone please explain the masturbatory obsession some fans here have with Portis? WTF has he done that makes him a can't miss prospect?

[JYD]

Watched the game, my take:

-solid post basics, decent touch and good hands, though nothing flashy..maybe he could develop more of a go-to move with a hook or something..you wouldn't feed him the ball much at this point at NBA level
-doesn't play around with it, on the block goes right into his move facing or posting, is good at finding cutters or open guys at the line pretty quickly if a double comes or it's not working (I like this non-sticky part of his game)
-gets after 50/50 balls and is a pretty good shotblocker
-good at finding open spots to feed off of
-looks like he can develop elbow range
-looks like he could guard some 3

So I'd say, fairly low ceiling (he might expand his offense a little), but consistent effort, opportunist, energy player who knows he's an energy player and doesn't let the ball stick to him. Maybe he'll give you something similar to what we wanted out of James Johnson at the 4 and 3, minus the parts where he thinks he's Magic Johnson or can shoot the 3.

[Tortiglioni]

1986 draft, 27th overall: Dennis Rodman

2016 draft, 27th overall: Cameroonian Rodman?

[Psubs]

Anyone else see Keon Clark II without the drug problem?

[hyper316]

1986 draft, 27th overall: Dennis Rodman

2016 draft, 27th overall: Cameroonian Rodman?

Wow, hof confirmed

[notsla refar]

Deandre Daniels pick (talented underperformer, soft)

He'll be on the SL roster, apparently his foot is in the best shape it's been since his injury. I'm intrigued to see if he can contribute.

[notsla refar]

One thing I've noticed in highlights, is that Siakam always seems to want to go to his right. I don't think I've seen him finish with his left hand.

47:55

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQeapcqsA#t=2885[/youtube]

[notsla refar]

Judging from the game Risk101 posted, he reminds me a lot of Biz if he had better hands and a more developed shot. Not nearly as much of a liability with the ball in his hands on offense. Everywhere on the court, always hustling. Looks pretty decent at picking up guards on switches. Deceptive length, ability to run out from the interior and get blocks on perimeter shooters.

Probably needs to put on 10-20 pounds to hold his ground in the league, but looks very promising.

He and Biz's skill sets seem a bit redundant, should be interesting to see how they co-exist if we manage to retain Biyombo. They'd be a huge problem for other teams if they can be on the floor at the same time.