Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

[knickerbocker2k2]

There no intangibles with McCaw. Amir Johnson was intangibles player and he consistently showed in the advanced stats. Even when the team was horrible they were net positive when he was on the floor.

The opposite is true with McCaw. Even though the team is elite he is net negative when he is on the floor. We can get away with this when facing garbage teams but once playoffs start where you only play good teams who scout properly it will get 100% worse. This guy is not playable in the playoffs. I looked up his +/- this season. Overall he is -1.7 per game in 28 games. However against teams with +500 record he is -7 per game.

Come playoffs if he is still part of the rotation he will at least cost us 1 game or two. Normally I would stay that would at least cause Nurse to come to his senses but I doubt he will give up at that point from what we saw with his attitude with FVV last year.

[TheWave]

There no intangibles with McCaw. Amir Johnson was intangibles player and he consistently showed in the advanced stats. Even when the team was horrible they were net positive when he was on the floor.

The opposite is true with McCaw. Even though the team is elite he is net negative when he is on the floor. We can get away with this when facing garbage teams but once playoffs start where you only play good teams who scout properly it will get 100% worse. This guy is not playable in the playoffs. I looked up his +/- this season. Overall he is -1.7 per game in 28 games. However against teams with +500 record he is -7 per game.

Come playoffs if he is still part of the rotation he will at least cost us 1 game or two. Normally I would stay that would at least cause Nurse to come to his senses but I doubt he will give up at that point from what we saw with his attitude with FVV last year.

So you are saying he has value to teams that are tanking.

[Randle McMurphy]

There no intangibles with McCaw. Amir Johnson was intangibles player and he consistently showed in the advanced stats. Even when the team was horrible they were net positive when he was on the floor.

The opposite is true with McCaw. Even though the team is elite he is net negative when he is on the floor. We can get away with this when facing garbage teams but once playoffs start where you only play good teams who scout properly it will get 100% worse. This guy is not playable in the playoffs. I looked up his +/- this season. Overall he is -1.7 per game in 28 games. However against teams with +500 record he is -7 per game.

Come playoffs if he is still part of the rotation he will at least cost us 1 game or two. Normally I would stay that would at least cause Nurse to come to his senses but I doubt he will give up at that point from what we saw with his attitude with FVV last year.

That would be because the good teams know they don't have to guard him at all and don't. That will happen in any playoff series as well if this ridiculous charade continues until then.

[EH15]

I'll give you an example of intangibles. Kyle stealthily walking by the ball after a made basket. He does this to stop the other team from inbounding the ball quickly. Every time he's tiptoeing towards a delay of game. But he does it just enough so the refs can't do anything. The refs hate it, I can see their disgust every time. But it helps set our defence, where it's infinitely more easier to defend, rather than defend a semi-transition. Fred, before he needed to shoulder a bigger load on offense, would pick up 90 feet after a made basket. Just little things that slow the offense down and gives our bigs time to get back and Gasol lay of the court to quarterback in. What intangibles does McCaw provide? An honest question.

[Raps in 4]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball

They don't. And they admitted as much in this thread.

Their argument so far has been: "Who cares about stats and intangibles if we're winning. Trust Nurse."

[will]

Okay, Pat McCaw bout to be unleashed with Norm out.

[SHFT]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball

They don't. And they admitted as much in this thread.

Their argument so far has been: "Who cares about stats and intangibles if we're winning. Trust Nurse."

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/28#tab-offensive_overview

Edit: whoops forgot to type

McCaw is bang average. He does his role well. He doesnt make many mistakes. He has a decent point production for his crazy low usage. You need guys like this.

Eventually, he will be expendable maybe as early as next year....maybe 2021 when we know what we will be done with all this cap space.

And of course, the general argument still stands. You here talking like people who are "meh" on McCaw dont know basketball but our championship head coach plays him so which one of us really dont know?

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[Raps in 4]

Okay, Pat McCaw bout to be unleashed with Norm out.

He's about to average 35 MPG, with a stat line of 2.8 PPG on 29% shooting and league average defence.

[agkagk]

Okay, Pat McCaw bout to be unleashed with Norm out.

He's about to average 35 MPG, with a stat line of 2.8 PPG on 29% shooting and league average defence.

[Raps in 4]

i wonder if any of the McCaw obsessives have contemplated the fact that they actually don't know anything about basketball

They don't. And they admitted as much in this thread.

Their argument so far has been: "Who cares about stats and intangibles if we're winning. Trust Nurse."

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/28#tab-offensive_overview

Edit: whoops forgot to type

McCaw is bang average. He does his role well. He doesnt make many mistakes. He has a decent point production for his crazy low usage. You need guys like this.

Eventually, he will be expendable maybe as early as next year....maybe 2021 when we know what we will be done with all this cap space.

And of course, the general argument still stands. You here talking like people who are "meh" on McCaw dont know basketball but our championship head coach plays him so which one of us really dont know?

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Why is a player with a 10% usage rate and average defence playing 25 MPG?

His problem is he does nothing, positive or negative (I'd argue the fact that he's completely useless on offence is a negative as teams can leave him open). He doesn't help the team win, when we have players who can help the team win. TD has been a much better player than McCaw this year, on both sides of the ball, yet he plays 10 less MPG.

[SHFT]

They don't. And they admitted as much in this thread.

Their argument so far has been: "Who cares about stats and intangibles if we're winning. Trust Nurse."

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/28#tab-offensive_overview

Edit: whoops forgot to type

McCaw is bang average. He does his role well. He doesnt make many mistakes. He has a decent point production for his crazy low usage. You need guys like this.

Eventually, he will be expendable maybe as early as next year....maybe 2021 when we know what we will be done with all this cap space.

And of course, the general argument still stands. You here talking like people who are "meh" on McCaw dont know basketball but our championship head coach plays him so which one of us really dont know?

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Why is a player with a 10% usage rate and average defence playing 25 MPG?

His problem is he does nothing, positive or negative (I'd argue the fact that he's completely useless on offence is a negative as teams can leave him open). He doesn't help the team win, when we have players who can help the team win. TD has been a much better player than McCaw this year, on both sides of the ball, yet he plays 10 less MPG.

Because when compared to TD right now McCaw (with less usage and minutes) only scores 6 points less per 100 possessions (which he is not on the floor to do), has almost an identical assist rate, has a higher assist to usage ratio and a slightly higher to % (which is fine with me because between him and TD, PatM handles the ball as the PG more).

Just because he isnt anything other than average doesnt mean he is terrible and hate his game all you want but i get sick of people who act smug when they really dont know what the staff look at and what goes on behind the scenes AFTER WE HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD NOW.

TD is the better talent, when he cleans up the little things he will take McCaws minutes. We run with 2 point guards and have 4 in the rotation so whats the problem lol.

Not every single person on the floor needs to be a scoring threat at all times (esp when we are talking about like the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation whem we are healthy).

You can continue to pretend like you know more because you are gonna challenge our professional head coach over the internet but please dont act like Nurse and his staff dont know what they are doing while you proceed. The argument that he is a pro and a multiple time champion as a HC and you and I are just randoms for the most part therefore we should trust him ABSOLUTELY holds merit whether you think so or not.

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[Raps in 4]

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/28#tab-offensive_overview

Edit: whoops forgot to type

McCaw is bang average. He does his role well. He doesnt make many mistakes. He has a decent point production for his crazy low usage. You need guys like this.

Eventually, he will be expendable maybe as early as next year....maybe 2021 when we know what we will be done with all this cap space.

And of course, the general argument still stands. You here talking like people who are "meh" on McCaw dont know basketball but our championship head coach plays him so which one of us really dont know?

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Why is a player with a 10% usage rate and average defence playing 25 MPG?

His problem is he does nothing, positive or negative (I'd argue the fact that he's completely useless on offence is a negative as teams can leave him open). He doesn't help the team win, when we have players who can help the team win. TD has been a much better player than McCaw this year, on both sides of the ball, yet he plays 10 less MPG.

Because when compared to TD right now McCaw (with less usage and minutes) only scores 6 points less per 100 possessions (which he is not on the floor to do), has almost an identical assist rate, has a higher assist to usage ratio and a slightly higher to % (which is fine with me because between him and TD, PatM handles the ball as the PG more).

Just because he isnt anything other than average doesnt mean he is terrible and hate his game all you want but i get sick of people who act smug when they really dont know what the staff look at and what goes on behind the scenes AFTER WE HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD NOW.

TD is the better talent, when he cleans up the little things he will take McCaws minutes. We run with 2 point guards and have 4 in the rotation so whats the problem lol.

Not every single person on the floor needs to be a scoring threat at all times (esp when we are talking about like the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation whem we are healthy).

You can continue to pretend like you know more because you are gonna challenge our professional head coach over the internet but please dont act like Nurse and his staff dont know what they are doing while you proceed. The argument that he is a pro and a multiple time champion as a HC and you and I are just randoms for the most part therefore we should trust him ABSOLUTELY holds merit whether you think so or not.

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He does need to be an offensive threat if he isn't going to provide anything else of value.

His defence isn't nearly good enough to cover for his awful offence (he's an average defender at best).

Players need to provide value to get minutes on a team that is trying to win. McCaw doesn't provide value. The team is better with TD on the floor instead of McCaw.

TD and Norm (when healthy) should be getting all of McCaw's minutes. McCaw is taller than both, but he's also thinner (TD has 20 lbs on him and Norm 34).

[SHFT]

Why is a player with a 10% usage rate and average defence playing 25 MPG?

His problem is he does nothing, positive or negative (I'd argue the fact that he's completely useless on offence is a negative as teams can leave him open). He doesn't help the team win, when we have players who can help the team win. TD has been a much better player than McCaw this year, on both sides of the ball, yet he plays 10 less MPG.

Because when compared to TD right now McCaw (with less usage and minutes) only scores 6 points less per 100 possessions (which he is not on the floor to do), has almost an identical assist rate, has a higher assist to usage ratio and a slightly higher to % (which is fine with me because between him and TD, PatM handles the ball as the PG more).

Just because he isnt anything other than average doesnt mean he is terrible and hate his game all you want but i get sick of people who act smug when they really dont know what the staff look at and what goes on behind the scenes AFTER WE HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD NOW.

TD is the better talent, when he cleans up the little things he will take McCaws minutes. We run with 2 point guards and have 4 in the rotation so whats the problem lol.

Not every single person on the floor needs to be a scoring threat at all times (esp when we are talking about like the 8th or 9th guy in the rotation whem we are healthy).

You can continue to pretend like you know more because you are gonna challenge our professional head coach over the internet but please dont act like Nurse and his staff dont know what they are doing while you proceed. The argument that he is a pro and a multiple time champion as a HC and you and I are just randoms for the most part therefore we should trust him ABSOLUTELY holds merit whether you think so or not.

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He does need to be an offensive threat if he isn't going to provide anything else of value.

His defence isn't nearly good enough to cover for his awful offence (he's an average defender at best).

Players need to provide value to get minutes on a team that is trying to win. McCaw doesn't provide value. The team is better with TD on the floor instead of McCaw.

TD and Norm (when healthy) should be getting all of McCaw's minutes. McCaw is taller than both, but he's also thinner (TD has 20 lbs on him and Norm 34).

TD no question will take his minutes. I think its a combo of not rushing his development and the fact McCaw is not terrible. Again, we have a track record with developing players. McCaw has somehow been a part of 3 consecutive ships. The coaching staff and brain trust see infinitely times more than you or I do. McCaw while on the floor does not harm us and his positional defence is just fine which is how we operate on defence. Nurse called out certain players to start the year and McCaw wasnt one of them. In fact, he was always touted to be in the BACK END of the rotation. So credit TD for forcing Nurse hand but its obvious McCaw is a stop gap to allow TD to grow in the shadows.

Finally, again, we have a track record with this. Nurse isnt going to ruin TDs development by throwing him in the spotlight too early even though TD is seeing real minutes already.

Look at some of the sub patters. TD comes on first sometimes but he gets yanked. I can only imagine its Nurse not wanting bad habits to set. Nurse, who again, is our professional head coach who helped guide the ship DESERVES the benefit of the doubt.



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[Johnny Bball]

McCaw didn't need to be an offensives threat this month. He barely touches the ball, but people believe garbage like the video saying he gets lots of touches. Like he will cost us two playoff games yet that didn't happen in three championship seasons in a row. I don't get the need for exaggerating how bad McCaw is, it's not like he's setting the league on fire and there needs to be more criticism to balance any discussion!

But we didn't need him scoring because Ibaka and Norm carry the bench scoring. Him being low usage isn't a bad thing there. But without either playing of those two playing with bench, both Davis and McCaw will have to score.

[Randle McMurphy]

Do I need to post this guy's advanced statistics again that indicate he's one of the worst players in the league and has no business playing minutes? I can.

If you're going to play 4 on 5 offensively every possession, you might as well do that with somebody who also plays defence (i.e. not McCaw).

[EH15]

It's like the people from last season saying playing Lin was no problem. Well guess what happened in the end? Lin became a garbage time fill in and and out the league a month later. There were people defending Lin too. There were people defending Lorenzo Brown, Alan Anderson, Antoine Wright. This fan base has a peculiar sensitivity to sympathize for these type of players and the decision behind their opportunity. It's fine, I get it. But we're telling you you're wrong, and we're telling you why you're wrong.

It's not a guarantee Nurse cuts his minutes come playoff time. He's developed a fondness and holds him in high regard. It's completely different to the Lin situation last season, and that's where the apprehension comes from.

[EH15]

Look, I don't expect a championship, I don't even expect the Finals. But I'll be damned if we lose a game because he opened his hips and allows a backcut on the baseline before recovering and fouling them for an And+1 at the 3 minute mark of game 5 in the semis.

[Johnny Bball]

Do I need to post this guy's advanced statistics again that indicate he's one of the worst players in the league and has no business playing minutes? I can.

If you're going to play 4 on 5 offensively every possession, you might as well do that with somebody who also plays defence (i.e. not McCaw).

Go ahead. Post the difference between last month when he started with a completely injured lineup and this month with a normal lineup while you're at it. Don't stop at just his shooting though. Go ahead. It's not going to stop you from needlessly exaggerating and saying he's not an NBA player and is a terrible defensive player.

[Raps in 4]

Do I need to post this guy's advanced statistics again that indicate he's one of the worst players in the league and has no business playing minutes? I can.

If you're going to play 4 on 5 offensively every possession, you might as well do that with somebody who also plays defence (i.e. not McCaw).

Go ahead. Post the difference between last month when he started with a completely injured lineup and this month with a normal lineup while you're at it. Go ahead. It's not going to stop you from needlessly exaggerating and saying he's not an NBA player and is a terrible defensive player.

RPM: -2.07 (ranked 417th in the league)
RAPM: -1.35 (ranked 437th in the league)
PIPM: -2.24 (ranked 431st in the league)

He is objectively terrible.

And now for his defensive impact (since his stans maintain he's an elite defender):

DRPM: +0.11 (ranked 216th in the league)
DRAPM: +0.07 (ranked 237th in the league)
DPIPM: +0.26 (ranked 169th in the league)

But keep ignoring facts.

[will]

Y'all think Nick Nurse will listen to us?