Tank World Order (7.0)

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I mean, you better be efficient when playing against g leaguers one would think, "historical" give any decent player that low level of competition and it would also be historical. Also, did he not take 27 shots vs the Clippers and pelicans? like what are we talking about? I stated a fact, that's not a lie. He always chucks up shots (still would sprinkle lower fga's in between), that doesn't disprove that he clearly took more shots vs bummy teams to up his numbers for the allstar game.

You are so full of hatred towards FVV it is **** hilarious. Basically every player in the entire league inflates their numbers against bad teams lol. When someone is in a ridiculous hot streak like FVV was/is, you'll see them take tons of shots especially when their team's offence is labouring (like it was for long stretches in those Clippers and Pelicans games). We saw it last night when Siakam, FVV and OG all took 10+ shots in the 2nd half because the rest of our team could only score on put backs.

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I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

I look at that image and conclude, he isn't stat padding. He is trying (and succeeding) at helping us win games. My assertion in saying that is backed by the impression I get when I watch the actual games. Someone focused on purposefully padding their scoring stats probably doesn't give a **** about defence, and likely plays less hard on defence to save energy to shoot more shots. For the games I am watching at least, that is definitely not Fred.

Further, I am pretty sure Barnes has a nagging injury over the time frame you have highlighted here. He definitely hasn't had the same pop and hustle in his game that he did at the start of the season. And outside of Barnes, who exactly are we trying to get more shots to in the hope of developing? GTJ? He is in his fifth season and would benefit most from playoff experience I should think. Banton? Would love to get him more involved, but a year between the Raptors and 905 is probably his best development path.

Your whole argument is kind of self-defeating, because if we look at the development path of the Raptors that we have brought along (Siakam, FFV, Powell, etc.) we didn't make them into the players they are by throwing them into NBA games on a garbage team at a young age. We developed them within a team that has a growing culture of winning, and by giving them responsibility within that culture when they were ready. The fact that Fred is able to be here right now putting up a triple double and contending for a spot on the eastern conference all-star team is evidence for the exact opposite development path that you are advocating for.

Now, before you respond with another straw man, non-sequitur, yes, we were bad last year, and we are a middling to average team this year. That doesn't change the fact that the best way to grow and progress talent is to build a team and an organization that is focused on winning. Scottie is going to get his touches, and the best way to progress him is to grow his usage as his offensive game evolves. For this year, I want him to learn the other things, like how to play good defence, and how to contribute to winning at the NBA level.

For the record, this is stat padding:

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[TorontoRapsFan]

I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

What about the assists, and the rebounds, and the steals? Hell there is even the pretty good fg%. Why don't they count in your stat padding idea? Oh and the fact that most of these games are Ws. Team stat pad?

Players just shouldn't do well against other teams when they can. They should just maintain their minimums.

Most of these are W's because we've been playing depleted teams for the most part. He's looking at the soft schedule and is using it to up his numbers. Man said players have to sacrifice for the team but has upped his FGA's since saying that. I guess others have to sacrifice but not him.

Assists don't mean someone is playing unselfish or isn't statpadding. Like what? lol Players hunt for assists, you think Westbrook didn't stat pad/ play selfish? He had good rebounding and assist numbers too.

You just don't get it. Those boxscores show a player that put in the effort in all facets of the game and his team also won. That just means this player had a good all around game to this degree (based on each different box score) He did against weak opponents? Ok. Great that's what a player is supposed to do. Out of all those games he only has two games with bad fg% and more than a couple games with great fg%. So it's not so much like you can say he's chucking at the expense of the team here. Oh compared to some other games against tougher opponents his fga is higher? So, why wasn't he chucking against those teams? (which he used to by the way... not too long ago). Does his stats in those games still show a player that puts in effort in all facets of the game? Pretty much. So what then, is he dominating when he can and not forcing things when he can't? It's all good but you don't see it.

Yes he is definitely a person who wants to be the best player on the court. And he's also learned (ing) that team Ws come before him. Again, it's all pretty good. He's showing himself as a player that could be multi all star, and all nba.

[Ref_from_hell]

I mean, you better be efficient when playing against g leaguers one would think, "historical" give any decent player that low level of competition and it would also be historical. Also, did he not take 27 shots vs the Clippers and pelicans? like what are we talking about? I stated a fact, that's not a lie. He always chucks up shots (still would sprinkle lower fga's in between), that doesn't disprove that he clearly took more shots vs bummy teams to up his numbers for the allstar game.

You are so full of hatred towards FVV it is **** hilarious. Basically every player in the entire league inflates their numbers against bad teams lol. When someone is in a ridiculous hot streak like FVV was/is, you'll see them take tons of shots especially when their team's offence is labouring (like it was for long stretches in those Clippers and Pelicans games). We saw it last night when Siakam, FVV and OG all took 10+ shots in the 2nd half because the rest of our team could only score on put backs.

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I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

This is honestly just getting sad now. At first I thought it was funny how much you hate Fred, now I just worry about you. Some of the stuff you articulate couldn't be further from the truth. You are trying so hard to paint a narrative that doesn't exist.

[720]

What about the assists, and the rebounds, and the steals? Hell there is even the pretty good fg%. Why don't they count in your stat padding idea? Oh and the fact that most of these games are Ws. Team stat pad?

Players just shouldn't do well against other teams when they can. They should just maintain their minimums.

Most of these are W's because we've been playing depleted teams for the most part. He's looking at the soft schedule and is using it to up his numbers. Man said players have to sacrifice for the team but has upped his FGA's since saying that. I guess others have to sacrifice but not him.

Assists don't mean someone is playing unselfish or isn't statpadding. Like what? lol Players hunt for assists, you think Westbrook didn't stat pad/ play selfish? He had good rebounding and assist numbers too.

You just don't get it. Those boxscores show a player that put in the effort in all facets of the game and his team also won. That just means this player had a good all around game to this degree (based on each different box score) He did against weak opponents? Ok. Great that's what a player is supposed to do. Out of all those games he only has two games with bad fg% and more than a couple games with great fg%. So it's not so much like you can say he's chucking at the expense of the team here. Oh compared to some other games against tougher opponents his fga is higher? So, why wasn't he chucking against those teams? (which he used to by the way... not too long ago). Does his stats in those games still show a player that puts in effort in all facets of the game? Pretty much. So what then, is he dominating when he can and not forcing things when he can't? It's all good but you don't see it.

Yes he is definitely a person who wants to be the best player on the court. And he's also learned (ing) that team Ws come before him. Again, it's all pretty good. He's showing himself as a player that could be multi all star, and all nba.

So like I said earlier, if a player has assists and rebounds to go along with his points all of a sudden that's not stat padding because he is putting up numbers in "all facets of the game" ? Huh? The man clearly saw weak g league replacement players/bench players and took his shot attempts to another level during this stretch to maximize his numbers. The pattern is there (the yellow highlight are of him not taking as many shots for the whole year but just when all this covid protocol stuff started happening he takes anywhere from 18-27 shots a game? You and people like you are okay with it because he's putting these numbers up on good percentages but that still doesn't mean it's okay. Yeah go ahead and take shots away from Barnes and OG so you can make the all star game, meanwhile he shamelessly talks about sacrificing for the team while he himself has yet to do so. Funny stuff.

And like I've said before. Any team where Fred is your highest usage player isn't going far.

[720]

You are so full of hatred towards FVV it is **** hilarious. Basically every player in the entire league inflates their numbers against bad teams lol. When someone is in a ridiculous hot streak like FVV was/is, you'll see them take tons of shots especially when their team's offence is labouring (like it was for long stretches in those Clippers and Pelicans games). We saw it last night when Siakam, FVV and OG all took 10+ shots in the 2nd half because the rest of our team could only score on put backs.

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I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

I look at that image and conclude, he isn't stat padding. He is trying (and succeeding) at helping us win games. My assertion in saying that is backed by the impression I get when I watch the actual games. Someone focused on purposefully padding their scoring stats probably doesn't give a **** about defence, and likely plays less hard on defence to save energy to shoot more shots. For the games I am watching at least, that is definitely not Fred.

Further, I am pretty sure Barnes has a nagging injury over the time frame you have highlighted here. He definitely hasn't had the same pop and hustle in his game that he did at the start of the season. And outside of Barnes, who exactly are we trying to get more shots to in the hope of developing? GTJ? He is in his fifth season and would benefit most from playoff experience I should think. Banton? Would love to get him more involved, but a year between the Raptors and 905 is probably his best development path.

Your whole argument is kind of self-defeating, because if we look at the development path of the Raptors that we have brought along (Siakam, FFV, Powell, etc.) we didn't make them into the players they are by throwing them into NBA games on a garbage team at a young age. We developed them within a team that has a growing culture of winning, and by giving them responsibility within that culture when they were ready. The fact that Fred is able to be here right now putting up a triple double and contending for a spot on the eastern conference all-star team is evidence for the exact opposite development path that you are advocating for.

Now, before you respond with another straw man, non-sequitur, yes, we were bad last year, and we are a middling to average team this year. That doesn't change the fact that the best way to grow and progress talent is to build a team and an organization that is focused on winning. Scottie is going to get his touches, and the best way to progress him is to grow his usage as his offensive game evolves. For this year, I want him to learn the other things, like how to play good defence, and how to contribute to winning at the NBA level.

For the record, this is stat padding:

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Siakam, Fred, Powell weren't as good as Barnes has been as a rookie and so their development trajectory is irrelevant to Barnes'. Like literally doesn't matter. Those guys all got sent to the g league at a certain point, Barnes will never, Raptors need Barnes (which is why they're playing him 36 minutes).

Team is propping up Fred with 25 percent usage or whatever it is currently and taking shots away from OG and Barnes who are actually the long term ceiling raisers of this team. Fred stat padding vs weak teams means nothing (same as getting wins against these covid/injury plagued teams).

He's a great 3rd option player but is being put in a role that is way over his head. We'll see this when/if we make the playoffs this year. It's just a waste of time, his usage should be like 3rd at the most, because since he has the ultimate green light he's pushing for the all star team.

[KL78192020]

It's incredible how potentially acquiring a superstar calibre player without any assets beyond your own draft pick and securing their rights for a minimum of 4 years and in 95% of cases 8 years is seen as a less desirable scenario than trading assets for a player who in the majority of instances is 1 or 2 years away from UFA status. This doesn't take into account that at or near the top of a draft you are in control whereas in a trade scenario you are competing with 29 other teams in every scenario. This doesn't even preclude the notion that if you secure a top pick you could actually use it in a trade as well, so the best of both worlds.

Everyone has their own preferences for what they want to watch on the court or what they want to sit through, but making arguments with 0 evidence and then using violence and comparison to fascists as a the cherry on top shows how invalid those arguments are.

You acquire a known superstar v. an unknown quantity in a prospect. You've framed the argument poorly again, perhaps intentionally.

What type of trade works for us to get one of these superstars, these are probably the guys that were on Kawhis level.

Curry
Giannis
KD
Jokic
Embiid

What are the Raptors trading to get one of them? If you can get one of them like we did with Kawhi, on the cheap for 1 starter and 1 first round pick, I'm with you forget the tank, thats what we traded to get Kawhi.

[Kreamy]

Good night for the tank.

WTF is going on with the Hawks? Smh.

[pingpongrac]

I mean, you better be efficient when playing against g leaguers one would think, "historical" give any decent player that low level of competition and it would also be historical. Also, did he not take 27 shots vs the Clippers and pelicans? like what are we talking about? I stated a fact, that's not a lie. He always chucks up shots (still would sprinkle lower fga's in between), that doesn't disprove that he clearly took more shots vs bummy teams to up his numbers for the allstar game.

You are so full of hatred towards FVV it is **** hilarious. Basically every player in the entire league inflates their numbers against bad teams lol. When someone is in a ridiculous hot streak like FVV was/is, you'll see them take tons of shots especially when their team's offence is labouring (like it was for long stretches in those Clippers and Pelicans games). We saw it last night when Siakam, FVV and OG all took 10+ shots in the 2nd half because the rest of our team could only score on put backs.

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I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

I literally have no clue what point you are trying to prove. Is it that FVV has been stat-padding the last month? With the exception of his scoring and efficiency rising substantially in the last 4 weeks -- because his usage has increased during a hot streak in which he is dropping bombs from 30+ feet and averaging 5.7 3FGM per game on 45% -- his numbers are nearly identical all the way across the board. Unless your point is that he has been scoring more when the team needs it lately (like Q3 against the Jazz or late Q4 against the Clippers and Pelicans) A.K.A. really damn good in the clutch, the stat-padding argument isn't true.

FVV in the last 9 games: 37.8 MPG, 29.6 PTS (.635 TS%), 4.6 REB, 7.3 AST (1.4 TOV), 2.0 STL, 0.4 BLK, +8.5 NetRTG (+18.2 on/off), 26.5 USG%
FVV in the first 26 games: 37.7 MPG, 19.4 PTS (.563 TS%), 5.0 REB, 6.4 AST (3.1 TOV), 1.5 STL, 0.6 BLK, +3.8 NetRTG (+13.6 on/off), 22.8 USG%

Or is your point that FVV only performs against lottery teams? Because that isn't true either.

FVV in his first 13 games against +.500 teams: 20.7 PTS (44 FG%), 5.0 REB, 6.1 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, 3.1 TOV
FVV in his first 13 games against -.500 teams: 18.1 PTS (42 FG%), 5.1 REB, 6.8 AST, 1.8 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.2 TOV

Those numbers are from the first 27 games of the season, so that isn't including any games against "G-League scrubs" or teams with multiple H&S absences. Looks like it doesn't matter what the competition is for FVV; he was putting up 20/5/7 type numbers against good and bad teams.

I'll be waiting for some kind of deflection/excuse from you even though all of the numbers are right there in front of your face and you'd see the same thing every game if you weren't just repeating "omg Scottie doesn't have 20 shots tonight" and nothing else.

[KL78192020]

Good night for the tank.

WTF is going on with the Hawks? Smh.

Wiz finally got Rui back the last couple of games, he was a key starter for them last year but now Beal is out with covid. Hawks are just trash lol.

But the Knicks/Wiz/Celtics are right on the Raptors heels.

[720]

You are so full of hatred towards FVV it is **** hilarious. Basically every player in the entire league inflates their numbers against bad teams lol. When someone is in a ridiculous hot streak like FVV was/is, you'll see them take tons of shots especially when their team's offence is labouring (like it was for long stretches in those Clippers and Pelicans games). We saw it last night when Siakam, FVV and OG all took 10+ shots in the 2nd half because the rest of our team could only score on put backs.

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I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

I literally have no clue what point you are trying to prove. Is it that FVV has been stat-padding the last month? With the exception of his scoring and efficiency rising substantially in the last 4 weeks -- because his usage has increased during a hot streak in which he is dropping bombs from 30+ feet and averaging 5.7 3FGM per game on 45% -- his numbers are nearly identical all the way across the board. Unless your point is that he has been scoring more when the team needs it lately (like Q3 against the Jazz or late Q4 against the Clippers and Pelicans) A.K.A. really damn good in the clutch, the stat-padding argument isn't true.

FVV in the last 9 games: 37.8 MPG, 29.6 PTS (.635 TS%), 4.6 REB, 7.3 AST (1.4 TOV), 2.0 STL, 0.4 BLK, +8.5 NetRTG (+18.2 on/off), 26.5 USG%
FVV in the first 26 games: 37.7 MPG, 19.4 PTS (.563 TS%), 5.0 REB, 6.4 AST (3.1 TOV), 1.5 STL, 0.6 BLK, +3.8 NetRTG (+13.6 on/off), 22.8 USG%

Or is your point that FVV only performs against lottery teams? Because that isn't true either.

FVV in his first 13 games against +.500 teams: 20.7 PTS (44 FG%), 5.0 REB, 6.1 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, 3.1 TOV
FVV in his first 13 games against -.500 teams: 18.1 PTS (42 FG%), 5.1 REB, 6.8 AST, 1.8 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.2 TOV

Those numbers are from the first 27 games of the season, so that isn't including any games against "G-League scrubs" or teams with multiple H&S absences. Looks like it doesn't matter what the competition is for FVV; he was putting up 20/5/7 type numbers against good and bad teams.

I'll be waiting for some kind of deflection/excuse from you even though all of the numbers are right there in front of your face and you'd see the same thing every game if you weren't just repeating "omg Scottie doesn't have 20 shots tonight" and nothing else.

You purposely ignoring field goal attempts to prove some kind of point? That was literally the point of that image, I highlight his low FGA’s before this stretch and his high fgas after. We were going to win these 6 games with or without Fred taking 18-27 shots a game. It’s been vs a bunch of depleted teams. Oh man, he’s taking a bunch of shots and is efficient against a bunch of g leaguers and bench guys. So impressed!/s

I don’t care for his high shot volume. It’s not going to be translatable in the playoffs and it takes away from OG and Barnes and their input on the offensive end. Plus it’s all likely stemming from his desire to make this stupid all star game. Whatever.

[Ell Curry]

Fred hasn't been pounding the rock much during this last 10 games. He's being aggressive and looking for 3s and playing much more like a 2 guard. He's going to have stretches where he's cold from 3 and it sucks, but he's not padding his stats at the moment. He's just on a hot streak.

I assume Nurse will have Barnes slowly take on more of the reins from Siakam, probably at some point next season.

[DelAbbot]

Leave TWO alone!

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[DelAbbot]

Good night for the tank.

WTF is going on with the Hawks? Smh.

Wiz finally got Rui back the last couple of games, he was a key starter for them last year but now Beal is out with covid. Hawks are just trash lol.

But the Knicks/Wiz/Celtics are right on the Raptors heels.

You can get covid twice within a month?

[Los_29]

Good night for the tank.

WTF is going on with the Hawks? Smh.

Wiz finally got Rui back the last couple of games, he was a key starter for them last year but now Beal is out with covid. Hawks are just trash lol.

But the Knicks/Wiz/Celtics are right on the Raptors heels.

Have you ever seen Rui play?

[720]

Good night for the tank.

WTF is going on with the Hawks? Smh.

Wiz finally got Rui back the last couple of games, he was a key starter for them last year but now Beal is out with covid. Hawks are just trash lol.

But the Knicks/Wiz/Celtics are right on the Raptors heels.

You can get covid twice within a month?

Also to note, in our next 34 games, only 10 are at home, 24 on the road. In which two 5 game road trips, one 6 game road trip and a bunch of 3 game road trips have been booked.

[canada_dry]

The VERY in tune Blake murphy on lowe post podcast:

" they got a little lucky on lottery night. And for a lot of teams its like hey, maybe we need to take 2-3 lottery years and maybe land that one guy. Well the Raptors think that they did that with 1 dip in the lottery. They got the ceiling raiser. They got the window extender in Scottie Barnes."

RIP TWO. "PlAy iN fOr wHaT??"

But but... i thought u could extrapolate what masai did in tampa to him being pro tank and lottery focused??!

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[pingpongrac]

I don't hate Fred, I love Fred, he's a great off ball player and I loved his contribution stretching back to the bench mob days to the championship. Forever part of that legendary 2019 team and we don't win that championship without Fred's hot shooting in the conference finals and finals.


But you can't look at this image and tell me he ISN'T stat padding. Now it wouldn't be annoying if we were a garbage team with no one to develop. But we have plenty of young guys with potential and it bothers me we're just letting him chuck up shots for meaningless accolades (and upping his leverage during next offseason's contract negotiations)

I literally have no clue what point you are trying to prove. Is it that FVV has been stat-padding the last month? With the exception of his scoring and efficiency rising substantially in the last 4 weeks -- because his usage has increased during a hot streak in which he is dropping bombs from 30+ feet and averaging 5.7 3FGM per game on 45% -- his numbers are nearly identical all the way across the board. Unless your point is that he has been scoring more when the team needs it lately (like Q3 against the Jazz or late Q4 against the Clippers and Pelicans) A.K.A. really damn good in the clutch, the stat-padding argument isn't true.

FVV in the last 9 games: 37.8 MPG, 29.6 PTS (.635 TS%), 4.6 REB, 7.3 AST (1.4 TOV), 2.0 STL, 0.4 BLK, +8.5 NetRTG (+18.2 on/off), 26.5 USG%
FVV in the first 26 games: 37.7 MPG, 19.4 PTS (.563 TS%), 5.0 REB, 6.4 AST (3.1 TOV), 1.5 STL, 0.6 BLK, +3.8 NetRTG (+13.6 on/off), 22.8 USG%

Or is your point that FVV only performs against lottery teams? Because that isn't true either.

FVV in his first 13 games against +.500 teams: 20.7 PTS (44 FG%), 5.0 REB, 6.1 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.6 BLK, 3.1 TOV
FVV in his first 13 games against -.500 teams: 18.1 PTS (42 FG%), 5.1 REB, 6.8 AST, 1.8 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.2 TOV

Those numbers are from the first 27 games of the season, so that isn't including any games against "G-League scrubs" or teams with multiple H&S absences. Looks like it doesn't matter what the competition is for FVV; he was putting up 20/5/7 type numbers against good and bad teams.

I'll be waiting for some kind of deflection/excuse from you even though all of the numbers are right there in front of your face and you'd see the same thing every game if you weren't just repeating "omg Scottie doesn't have 20 shots tonight" and nothing else.

You purposely ignoring field goal attempts to prove some kind of point? That was literally the point of that image, I highlight his low FGA’s before this stretch and his high fgas after. We were going to win these 6 games with or without Fred taking 18-27 shots a game. It’s been vs a bunch of depleted teams. Oh man, he’s taking a bunch of shots and is efficient against a bunch of g leaguers and bench guys. So impressed!/s

I don’t care for his high shot volume. It’s not going to be translatable in the playoffs and it takes away from OG and Barnes and their input on the offensive end. Plus it’s all likely stemming from his desire to make this stupid all star game. Whatever.

So you highlighted a bunch of games where FVV didn't take a lot of shots before this stretch and we were 9-6 with almost all of our wins coming against mostly lottery teams (Knicks x2, Kings x2, Pacers and Magic) because FVV wasn't "stat-padding" then you try to apply the same logic to this recent stretch saying we'd be 6-0 without FVV taking 18+ shots...which isn't true at all. There is absolutely no way we win that game against the Jazz if FVV doesn't finish with 37/10/10 on a night where we trailed by 14 late in Q3 before he reeled off 15 straight points and did everything on both ends to give us the lead. We also likely don't win both the Pelicans and Clippers games if FVV doesn't come up clutch down the stretch. Maybe we go 4-2 if FVV takes less shots over this stretch.

Are you purposely ignoring the fact that the reason FVV's FGA are up lately is because he was scoring/shooting like Curry while GTJ was slumping and Scottie was obviously fighting through an injury? Are you purposely ignoring that FVV actually played better against +.500 teams rather than lottery teams before this recent stretch against undermanned teams? Are you purposely ignoring everything anyone says that proves FVV was already putting up all-star numbers while having a superstar impact even before this recent stretch? Those are all rhetorical questions because I know the answer to all of them is a resounding "yes."

[KL78192020]

The Cavs are on a roll, while missing two key players in Sexton/Rubio.

Also Rui was a key guy for the Wiz last year, hes only been back for two games so far this year. He put up 14ppg 5reb while shooting 48% playing behind Beal and Westbrook last year. Put up 15ppg 7reb in the playoffs shooting 61% from two and 60% from 3. Pretty good player.

[Ref_from_hell]

The VERY in tune Blake murphy on lowe post podcast:

" they got a little lucky on lottery night. And for a lot of teams its like hey, maybe we need to take 2-3 lottery years and maybe land that one guy. Well the Raptors think that they did that with 1 dip in the lottery. They got the ceiling raiser. They got the window extender in Scottie Barnes."

RIP TWO. "PlAy iN fOr wHaT??"

But but... i thought u could extrapolate what masai did in tampa to him being pro tank and lottery focused??!

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I was actually going to post about this. It is clear to just about everyone except some of the members who roam this thread that this team is no longer going to actively tank. And that they are too good to tank. It's over. The best they can hope for is management picking up a steal later in the draft, which is perfectly possible. And they have more than the right to talk about potential prospects here. I think what's annoying is when they start spreading to other threads either talking down our wins or trying to spread fake narratives. Even 1 of the more prominent pro tank guys Prince Ali has accepted it.

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The Cavs are on a roll, while missing two key players in Sexton/Rubio.

Hardly lol. They're 4-4 (4-5 including the Pelicans game) since Rubio went down. Good win tonight, but that's it. They beat the Pacers (who were missing Brogdon, LeVert, Duarte and Lamb due to H&S protocls), Blazers (without Lillard, McCollum and Nance) and Kings by 1 point.