GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
FVV with his first awful shooting night in like 20 games and GTJ is also struggling. Our starting backcourt averages 6.5 3FGM at 39% and they're 1/12 so far on mostly open looks. Meanwhile a bunch of 30% shooters have combined for 10/22 for the Jazz with a half-court bankshot and a couple heavily contested above the break threes lol.
As bad as we played and as ridiculously hot as the Jazz were in Q1, a 13-point deficit doesn't seem hard to overcome at all. Scottie and OG will probably have to carry us in the 2nd half because both FVV and Siakam look a bit disengaged. Hopefully everyone wakes up soon.
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As bad as we played and as ridiculously hot as the Jazz were in Q1, a 13-point deficit doesn't seem hard to overcome at all. Scottie and OG will probably have to carry us in the 2nd half because both FVV and Siakam look a bit disengaged. Hopefully everyone wakes up soon.
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
TRik wrote:rapsincr wrote:fred needs to take a page out of mickey abbott's playbook and start "heightening".
maybe then he would be able to see a bit more passing-lane wise.
Hahahaha
haha im actually relieved somebody got the reference!
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
TRik wrote:tdotrep2 wrote:Old raptors when we were good the ball was humming. Remember when kawhi sat? The ball moved. This team its our top guys taking turns, its so unorganic. The only thing thatll save this team is having a top guy come in and everyone fall inline
I think Scottie can be that guy but it’s going to take a lot for ego Fred to fall in line.
By guy i mean an undoubted bucket getter/lebron cp3 type. Where its cleqr as hell hes better. Scottie is years away and a prayer it happens
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Won't vote fred for allatar until he makes more effort to make others look good... more assists, less shots
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
If we lose the third there's no coming back in the 4th.
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
will wrote:OhCanada1091 wrote:JShuttlesworth wrote:We should win still
I agree. This is a win.
Yep.
No chance in hell the Jazz keep up that FG% in the second half.
Yeah but I am so sick of this pattern. Feels worse than last game because there's no Middleton and Holiday on this team. Just come out and blow them away why don't we
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
TRik wrote:tdotrep2 wrote:Old raptors when we were good the ball was humming. Remember when kawhi sat? The ball moved. This team its our top guys taking turns, its so unorganic. The only thing thatll save this team is having a top guy come in and everyone fall inline
I think Scottie can be that guy but it’s going to take a lot for ego Fred to fall in line.
Scottie is already trying to be that guy. That's why it's so fun watching him. He always makes the right play. But literally every other player on this team is a ball-stopper, so it doesn't matter what Scottie does unless he's in the high post able to pick apart the defense.
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
rapsincr wrote:TRik wrote:rapsincr wrote:fred needs to take a page out of mickey abbott's playbook and start "heightening".
maybe then he would be able to see a bit more passing-lane wise.
Hahahaha
haha im actually relieved somebody got the reference!
There’s a Seinfeld reference for everything
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Oh it's fools gold for the Raptors naysayers - there's no statistical reality where the Jazz continue to shoot this well while we keep bricking.pingpongrac wrote:FVV with his first awful shooting night in like 20 games and GTJ is also struggling. Our starting backcourt averages 6.5 3FGM at 39% and they're 1/12 so far on mostly open looks. Meanwhile a bunch of 30% shooters have combined for 10/22 for the Jazz with a half-court bankshot and a couple heavily contested above the break threes lol.
As bad as we played and as ridiculously hot as the Jazz were in Q1, a 13-point deficit doesn't seem hard to overcome at all. Scottie and OG will probably have to carry us in the 2nd half because both FVV and Siakam look a bit disengaged. Hopefully everyone wakes up soon.
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I'm so convinced of the second half that I bet on the even money offer for Raps to win which is something I rarely do mid game.
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Tha Cynic wrote:TRik wrote:tdotrep2 wrote:Old raptors when we were good the ball was humming. Remember when kawhi sat? The ball moved. This team its our top guys taking turns, its so unorganic. The only thing thatll save this team is having a top guy come in and everyone fall inline
I think Scottie can be that guy but it’s going to take a lot for ego Fred to fall in line.
Scottie is already trying to be that guy. That's why it's so fun watching him. He always makes the right play. But literally every other player on this team is a ball-stopper, so it doesn't matter what Scottie does unless he's in the high post able to pick apart the defense.
Yup. Our leaders have a ‘got to get mine’ mentally that infects our team play. Fun.
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Remember when the team had a semblance of ball movement a few years ago? Good times

Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Turned it off to watch some Sasha Grey videos. Had to release some stress.
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
If we lose this game can we retire the Drake jerseys forever
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
I’m not even mad at Fred it’s whatever. But Trent can go. I just hate how he plays. This team needs a real catch and shoot 3 and d not a wannabe first option checker.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Tha Cynic wrote:Boogie! wrote:Tha Cynic wrote:
Yeah, I can't see the Raptors actually losing this game. Eventually they will get hot from 3 or start knocking down shots. Nurse will give them an earful and they'll stop playing so selfish... Well .. everyone except Boucher.
We’ve been playing selfish all season. Boucher had been fine recently. Our team and system is selfish and sucks at moving the ball.
The system is not sefish - the players just all have a shoot first mentality.
This team played well when they had players who had a better feel for the game before. The Raptors used to be great at moving the ball and working together. It's just this collection of players do not have the natural instinct to get open shots for their teammates. They're all looking to score, which is fine if everyone else on the team wasn't also looking to do the same thing.
Watch when Barnes plays. He makes a pass to someone expecting them to move it to the next person, but it rarely ever happens. The first player will shoot it.

Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Tripod wrote:hsb wrote:It's weird to have Boucher, Achiuwa and Birch as your main bench players. That's very little versatility against any team, even a G-Leauge heavy squad.
Having 3 main bench players and none are shooters.
Just dumb
It's a big head-scratcher for sure. You cant watch two undersized centers play in the bench unit and then wonder why they cant match the output of the other bench lol.
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
pingpongrac wrote:FVV with his first awful shooting night in like 20 games and GTJ is also struggling. Our starting backcourt averages 6.5 3FGM at 39% and they're 1/12 so far on mostly open looks. Meanwhile a bunch of 30% shooters have combined for 10/22 for the Jazz with a half-court bankshot and a couple heavily contested above the break threes lol.
As bad as we played and as ridiculously hot as the Jazz were in Q1, a 13-point deficit doesn't seem hard to overcome at all. Scottie and OG will probably have to carry us in the 2nd half because both FVV and Siakam look a bit disengaged. Hopefully everyone wakes up soon.
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This is not an unsurmountable lead and I think the Raps will settle down in the second half, but I hope they get chewed out at the half. Paschall had one play were he got an and1 and misses the freethrow and then managed to dunk his own miss.
This is a lack of respect and low energy from the Raptor team. The same issue that haunted the team early on in the season. Got to step up the effort big time.
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
No movement on offense. Too much on defense
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Re: GT: #3 JAZZ (28-10) AT #7 RAPTORS (18-17) | JAN 7 2022 7:30PM TSN
Kate Bierness getting the Rachel Nichols treatment
There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
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