Pascal is on the brink of SUPERSTARDOM...

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #581 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:37 pm

will wrote:A fantastic role player who is clearly out of his depth as an out and out go-to player.

mental make up of a true star player shows at the FT line.

will · Post #582 » by **will** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 12:41 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
will wrote:A fantastic role player who is clearly out of his depth as an out and out go-to player.

mental make up of a true star player shows at the FT line.

We all knew he wasn't hitting no 3/3 at the line there. That first miss on the second FT...I think he let out an ayyeee/ahhh?

But yeah. I actually do enjoy being the "told you so guy" about Pascal's FT. Got so much goddamn flack at the start of the season for calling it out. But nope, I was negative for literally calling out what we were all seeing on the screen.

Kingsway_fan · Post #583 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:09 pm

mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

Scottie will never reach the level that Pascal is...

bape_lovers · Post #584 » by **bape_lovers** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 1:16 pm

Needed shooting and Gary shat the bed

ratul wrote:Team negative out in full force on this thread. We need depth. Nurse doesn’t trust our bench and overplays starters. Pascal and fvv and OG were completely gassed by the end

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #585 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:02 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

Scottie will never reach the level that Pascal is...

not that hard to reach when the org pushes you to the front of the line without plan A, B, or C.

mdenny · Post #586 » by **mdenny** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:09 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Kingsway_fan wrote:
mdenny wrote:

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

Scottie will never reach the level that Pascal is...

not that hard to reach when the org pushes you to the front of the line without plan A, B, or C.

Lol at "not that hard" to show out in the nba finals.

metafisical · Post #587 » by **metafisical** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:20 am

mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

I don't recall anything Pascal or FVV did of any importance. I remember the heroics of Kawhi, Lowry, Gasol and Ibaka though. Mighty heroics. The only things I remember from FVV and Pascal from the championship series were their turnovers, fouls and towel waving from the sidelines.

seanbig · Post #588 » by **seanbig** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:21 pm

Pascal is mr 43….shows up as the guy for the first 43 minutes

As the top dog he isn’t around for the last 5

srhcan · Post #589 » by **srhcan** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:40 pm

mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

No sane person believes it. That team had Kawhi, Lowry, Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Ibaka. Pascal was damn lucky to play with that group so there was no pressure on him.

ItsDanger · Post #590 » by **ItsDanger** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:52 pm

Siakam fooled a lot of you in first couple of months. Leave the analytics to those with experience. Guy was chasing stats at team's expense. Also remember, the best players make those around him better, and Siakam didn't do that this season. Therefore, drop these hyperbolic statements. Superstar? LOL

pingpongrac · Post #591 » by **pingpongrac** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:58 pm

srhcan wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

No sane person believes it. That team had Kawhi, Lowry, Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Ibaka. Pascal was damn lucky to play with that group so there was no pressure on him.

This is such a weird take that has been consistently popping up on this board for almost 4 years now. Siakam was 2nd on the team – by a wide margin – in PPG, FGA and USG%. He was such a problem that teams often had their best or 2nd best defender covering him (Isaac, Harris/Simmons, Giannis/Middleton, Draymond/Klay) while Lowry was typically defended by the likes of Fournier/Ross, Redick/Ennis, Hill/Bledsoe and Klay/Iguodala. Siakam was clearly the 2nd option and other teams treated him as such. There was a lot of pressure on him to produce.

Lowry probably had the bigger impact overall, but that's like saying Wiggins (or even Draymond) was the 2nd option for the Warriors in their title run last season because he was more impactful than Klay.

Los_29 · Post #592 » by **Los_29** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:10 pm

srhcan wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

No sane person believes it. That team had Kawhi, Lowry, Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Ibaka. Pascal was damn lucky to play with that group so there was no pressure on him.

You can say that about every player on the team. Kawhi was lucky to play with them as well because Kawhi hasn't done anything since he left here.

Reality of the situation is Pascal was the clear 2nd option on a championship team and was a huge reason why we won the championship.

Spates · Post #593 » by **Spates** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:43 pm

srhcan wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Jcity08 wrote:Pascal played well enough but ultimately he's best as a high end 3rd option.

We won a chip with him as the second option in his 3rd season. Anyone think scotty's third year is gonna outshine pascal and fred showing out in the nba finals during their third year?

Fred having the best 3 game shooting streak in nba playoff history? Pascal dropping +30 in game one of the nba finals? Pascal scoring the chip clinching bucket? Fred making three 3's in the final 8 minutes of game 6 and out--dueling Steph Curry?

Fact is...if scotty EVER has the high points that fred and Pascal had then he'd be serving well. I'm skeptical scotty will ever have those moments....much less next season.

No sane person believes it. That team had Kawhi, Lowry, Marc Gasol, Danny Green, Ibaka. Pascal was damn lucky to play with that group so there was no pressure on him.

Veteran savvy allowed for him to be the 2nd leading scorer. His responsibilities were minor compared to that of Kawhi, Lowry, and Gasol. This drives me crazy too. Pascal is talented but he is functioning in a totally different capacity than 2019. He has to mold to the circumstance, molding your roster around his current role would be a disaster. Frankly, he's not that good at creating consistent and resilient offense. And so people claim he's a #2. Well how is he contributing as a #2 when the #1 is controlling the offense? Pascal doesn't space the floor, he rarely rolls or pops after screens. It's similar to DeMar where they're developing to be a focal point but their weaknesses prevent them from an effective secondary role. People keep clamoring for retaining him and building but without painting a realistic picture of what that looks like. All I hear is shooting and guard play. Easier said than done. Where is that coming from?

ItsDanger · Post #594 » by **ItsDanger** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:33 pm

It's been quite a transition for Siakam this season. From superstar to top 15 to all star to 2nd option and now talk of just a 3rd option?

Trade rumor can't be far around the corner at this rate.

Post #595 » by **HiJiNX** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:43 pm

A lot of y’all turn into, well to be nice, not very rational people, when things aren’t going well.

Post #596 » by **HiJiNX** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:53 pm

The reality is that Siakam is an inconsistent jump shooter off the dribble and a fairly average FT shooter, and not strong enough to finish in heavy traffic, and can have shaky confidence at times. You obviously can’t rely on him to be a go to player in the clutch. He just doesn’t have the qualities. That doesn’t mean he’s a role player or whatever ridiculous label y’all want to put on him. It’s just he can’t be the focal point of your offence in the clutch, especially when your team has no competent shooting so opponents can just load up on Siakam without fear of consequence.

Spates · Post #597 » by **Spates** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:55 pm

HiJiNX wrote:A lot of y’all turn into, well to be nice, not very rational people, when things aren’t going well.

To be fair, I've never been highly impressed with the new Pascal. Honestly, I think simply having more of his shots assisted would please me. About 40% of his shots are assisted. That's near top of league on unassisted looks. Not sure he is quite that good. Could be system, could be surrounding talent. I'm less interested in finding out than most.

Spates · Post #598 » by **Spates** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:58 pm

HiJiNX wrote:The reality is that Siakam is an inconsistent jump shooter off the dribble and a fairly average FT shooter, and not strong enough to finish in heavy traffic, and can have shaky confidence at times. You obviously can’t rely on him to be a go to player in the clutch. He just doesn’t have the qualities. That doesn’t mean he’s a role player or whatever ridiculous label y’all want to put on him. It’s just he can’t be the focal point of your offence in the clutch, especially when your team has no competent shooting so opponents can just load up on Siakam without fear of consequence.

So my concern is what he provides in the clutch. He's not spacing, he's no longer cutting, he doesn't pick and pop. Will he just corner watch and play lazy defense.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #599 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:58 pm

When Pascal is at his very very best he's a 2nd option. When he's not at his best he's like a 3rd option. You don't know what you're gonna get from him.

Post #600 » by **The Duke** » Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:21 pm

ItsDanger wrote:It's been quite a transition for Siakam this season. From superstar to top 15 to all star to 2nd option and now talk of just a 3rd option?

Trade rumor can't be far around the corner at this rate.

Siakam was never a superstar.
He was a top 15-20 player.
And a #3 option on a contending team. (Kawhi, Lowry)

Siakam as a #1 option means that team is a non-playoff team (now)