Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Thaddy]

As a fan base we really give Gary the short end of the stick.

We criticized him for being a bad finisher at the rim last season now look at this.

0-3ft FG%
2022: 57.9%
2023: 70.5%

3-10ft
2022: 41.5%
2023: 54.7%

Do we really want to do a straight swap for Poeltl? I guess it could be considered an economical move that keeps us under the tax.

[mtcan]

I wonder if you would trade Fred and Gary for Ayton and filler (Shamet? Crowder?)?

Scottie
OG
Pascal
Precious
Ayton

...would be Vision 6-9 realized.

Paul
Booker
Trent
Bridges
Saric
...and have Fred off the bench or as your starter when CP3 inevitably gets injured or retires. Sun's can go super small as well and play Fred along with Paul and Booker.

[Duffman100]

As a fan base we really give Gary the short end of the stick.

We criticized him for being a bad finisher at the rim last season now look at this.

0-3ft FG%
2022: 57.9%
2023: 70.5%

3-10ft
2022: 41.5%
2023: 54.7%

Do we really want to do a straight swap for Poeltl? I guess it could be considered an economical move that keeps us under the tax.

I'm not the biggest Gary fan. But if he wants to stay, I say keep him for pure asset management.

But there are two parties at play here. If Trent doesn't want to resign but Poeltl wants to resign.. then?

[Sandman88]

If he would stay, I am not sure why we’d trade our best shooter in Gary when he’s also 23 and would net us the least value in return. It would be stupid.

OG, Fred or Pascal is who I’m looking to ship.

[YogurtProducer]

As a fan base we really give Gary the short end of the stick.

We criticized him for being a bad finisher at the rim last season now look at this.

0-3ft FG%
2022: 57.9%
2023: 70.5%

3-10ft
2022: 41.5%
2023: 54.7%

Do we really want to do a straight swap for Poeltl? I guess it could be considered an economical move that keeps us under the tax.

I'm not the biggest Gary fan. But if he wants to stay, I say keep him for pure asset management.

But there are two parties at play here. If Trent doesn't want to resign but Poeltl wants to resign.. then?

Yeah it is just smart asset management to make sure on opening night you still have an asset. Who out there is going to pay GTJ though? I personally like him and would want to keep him but losing him for nothing would be a disaster

[baller16]

Trading our 23 FRP for Poetl or Turner should put the FO in hot seat territory. Why would you even trade FRPs for role players when we're not even close to contending this season at all

[PhilBlackson]

As a fan base we really give Gary the short end of the stick.

We criticized him for being a bad finisher at the rim last season now look at this.

0-3ft FG%
2022: 57.9%
2023: 70.5%

3-10ft
2022: 41.5%
2023: 54.7%

Do we really want to do a straight swap for Poeltl? I guess it could be considered an economical move that keeps us under the tax.

I'm not the biggest Gary fan. But if he wants to stay, I say keep him for pure asset management.

But there are two parties at play here. If Trent doesn't want to resign but Poeltl wants to resign.. then?

Yeah it is just smart asset management to make sure on opening night you still have an asset. Who out there is going to pay GTJ though? I personally like him and would want to keep him but losing him for nothing would be a disaster

The Lakers.

They've already been rumoured to want him for almost a year now & I can't think of a more ideal scenario for Gary really from lifestyle to very much added exposure to usage when he'd become LeBron & AD's first kick out option from the paint, he could feast on easy looks. I don't imagine he'd sign a long term with us, so I think a 2 year deal with the Lakers would be perfect for him & them. I know if I was in his position I'd go that route.

[PoundTown]

I'm not the biggest Gary fan. But if he wants to stay, I say keep him for pure asset management.

But there are two parties at play here. If Trent doesn't want to resign but Poeltl wants to resign.. then?

Yeah it is just smart asset management to make sure on opening night you still have an asset. Who out there is going to pay GTJ though? I personally like him and would want to keep him but losing him for nothing would be a disaster

The Lakers.

They've already been rumoured to want him for almost a year now & I can't think of a more ideal scenario for Gary really from lifestyle to very much added exposure to usage when he'd become LeBron & AD's first kick out option from the paint, he could feast on easy looks. I don't imagine he'd sign a long term with us, so I think a 2 year deal with the Lakers would be perfect for him & them. I know if I was in his position I'd go that route.

Gary and Bo Cruz for Max Christie, Pat Beverly, NOLA 1st rounder.

[TGM]

There are some good buy low candidates in the market:

John Collins
Cole Anthony
Caris Lavert (not a fan)
Malik Beasley
Westbrook
Russell
Noel
Quickley
Duarte
Isiah Jackson
Davion Mitchell
Jaxson Hayes
Tobias Harris

Not saying these guys fit our team, but definitely guys like Cole, Noel, Beasley or Harris, Quickley could fit nicely with our team.

[Indeed]

I kinda feel like FVV would be easier to replace than GTJ myself (just given the ages)

Young scorers are sought after

VanVleet has a cross over that allows him to drive past some match up. Trent can shoot in tight space against some match up. If both are equal, I have VanVleet higher due to additional passing and help defense on steals (without fouling, as Trent are fouling). VanVleet is harder to replace for help defense and shooting to me.

The thing is they aren't equal though, and one is 5 years younger than the other

There are 3 reasons you prefer a younger player:
1) potential
2) salary
3) injury

Outside of injury, I don't see him better than VanVleet. I don't see his ceiling better than VanVleet, and he is definitely not getting less than VanVleet.

At the end, both may not be a good fit, as we need ball penetration for rim pressure.

[PhilBlackson]

Yeah it is just smart asset management to make sure on opening night you still have an asset. Who out there is going to pay GTJ though? I personally like him and would want to keep him but losing him for nothing would be a disaster

The Lakers.

They've already been rumoured to want him for almost a year now & I can't think of a more ideal scenario for Gary really from lifestyle to very much added exposure to usage when he'd become LeBron & AD's first kick out option from the paint, he could feast on easy looks. I don't imagine he'd sign a long term with us, so I think a 2 year deal with the Lakers would be perfect for him & them. I know if I was in his position I'd go that route.

Gary and Bo Cruz for Max Christie, Pat Beverly, NOLA 1st rounder.

Nah f that lol

Lakers have to part with one of their OWN frps or nothing and even then I'd first go shop Gary to multiple other teams ie/ NYK, PHX and I'm even reading NOP are interested in Bojan. But I'd first look to move him for something with more immediate results despite the upside of a potentially high lottery pick 4+ years from now from LA. I wouldn't be mad if they made that decision because of course when that year comes (27'), we'd all be thrilled that we have a lottery pick but I still feel most people will want to see some form of young players growing/developing in his place so I'd work with the other teams for their 23' FRPs plus whatever other assets (in Pels case there are several younger players I'd gladly take straight up Daniels, Murphy and Jones although less so due to him expiring).

But that NOLA pick (23rd right now, could go back up with Zion & BI's health improving) is a waste imo & I just rather not with Bev, Christie is just whatever lol

[Indeed]

There are some good buy low candidates in the market:

John Collins
Cole Anthony
Caris Lavert (not a fan)
Malik Beasley
Westbrook
Russell
Noel
Quickley
Duarte
Isiah Jackson
Davion Mitchell
Jaxson Hayes
Tobias Harris

Not saying these guys fit our team, but definitely guys like Cole, Noel, Beasley or Harris, Quickley could fit nicely with our team.

Last I watched Jason Hayes, he is less of a backup C, and he is looking for his contract, so I am not sure he has much value (for us).

Some od the East teams talent is great, but unless they are tanking, I don't see them as trading partner (e.g. Knicks)

As for the remaining team, they lack assets, and we are definitely not taking Westbrook.

[Tor_Raps]

Fred and Boucher for Ayton is a deal I can see happening. Then the Suns trade CP elsewhere for whatever they can get.

[ruckus]

The Lakers.

They've already been rumoured to want him for almost a year now & I can't think of a more ideal scenario for Gary really from lifestyle to very much added exposure to usage when he'd become LeBron & AD's first kick out option from the paint, he could feast on easy looks. I don't imagine he'd sign a long term with us, so I think a 2 year deal with the Lakers would be perfect for him & them. I know if I was in his position I'd go that route.

Gary and Bo Cruz for Max Christie, Pat Beverly, NOLA 1st rounder.

Nah f that lol

Lakers have to part with one of their OWN frps or nothing and even then I'd first go shop Gary to multiple other teams ie/ NYK, PHX and I'm even reading NOP are interested in Bojan. But I'd first look to move him for something with more immediate results despite the upside of a potentially high lottery pick 4+ years from now from LA. I wouldn't be mad if they made that decision because of course when that year comes (27'), we'd all be thrilled that we have a lottery pick but I still feel most people will want to see some form of young players growing/developing in his place so I'd work with the other teams for their 23' FRPs plus whatever other assets (in Pels case there are several younger players I'd gladly take straight up Daniels, Murphy and Jones although less so due to him expiring).

But that NOLA pick (23rd right now, could go back up with Zion & BI's health improving) is a waste imo & I just rather not with Bev, Christie is just whatever lol

If PatBev puts on a Raps uni, I'm not following the team until hes gone.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Fred and Boucher for Ayton is a deal I can see happening. Then the Suns trade CP elsewhere for whatever they can get.

i think they'll run both CP3 and FVV side by side - like what the Raps did with Lowry and FVV

[PhilBlackson]

As a fan base we really give Gary the short end of the stick.

We criticized him for being a bad finisher at the rim last season now look at this.

0-3ft FG%
2022: 57.9%
2023: 70.5%

3-10ft
2022: 41.5%
2023: 54.7%

Do we really want to do a straight swap for Poeltl? I guess it could be considered an economical move that keeps us under the tax.

Personally I don't wanna trade for Poeltl at all.

I see NO REASON at all why wouldn't just wait until the off-season to sign him out right. It's not like he doesn't already know through all the rumours that we want him & like Pascal couldn't push his best damn friend to come back at whatever similar contract he's being offered. Bringing him here only hurts our draft (period).

Not to mention he's not even a SOLUTION at C, people confuse an upgrade with a solution. He'd be a minimal upgrade over Precious (in fact quite redundant with bit more size) but he's STILL not big enough to really handle Giannis or Embiid and most importantly HE CAN'T SHOOT. The LAST thing this team needs is to bring in more players that further shrink the floor. Not to mention can't remain on the court in crunch time because they're not a reliable FT shooter ie/ Yak can barely hit anything aside from a layup.

Again I think the off-season is the time to go after him or preferably Myles. At least Turner SOLVES the problem at C because he IS big enough to handle the giants of the EC, DOES space the floor and CAN remain on the court in crunch time. So if we're forced to pick, I'd pray it's at least for a player that actually solves the problem, not just slightly mitigates it. Ayton to me is more a wild card if the Raps just think they can get way more out of him offensively than PHX did (which I believe is entirely possible) but is it worth the cost if you don't?!

[Swag]

Why the Fck are we trying to upgrade this weak core!!!

We should be building for the future - not trading for Miles Turner or Poeltl

[Swag]

Fred and Boucher for Ayton is a deal I can see happening. Then the Suns trade CP elsewhere for whatever they can get.

On 2nd thought, this would be amazing!

[Potential]

Why the Fck are we trying to upgrade this weak core!!!

We should be building for the future - not trading for Miles Turner or Poeltl

[tecumseh18]

Fred and Boucher for Ayton is a deal I can see happening. Then the Suns trade CP elsewhere for whatever they can get.

i think they'll run both CP3 and FVV side by side - like what the Raps did with Lowry and FVV

AND Booker at the 3?

How about CP for Westbrook? Russ would give the Suns a little more size to play with Fred, and Lebron and CP have always wanted to play together.