2023 Draft Discussion Part III

HumbleRen · Post #581 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:05 pm

DG88 wrote:I'd be down for Kobe Bufkin

Yep.

OakleyDokely · Post #582 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:12 pm

Kobe reportedly has a 6'9 wingspan, has solid rebounding/steals rate and he's a guy who improved dramatically from his freshman year, so he could be possibility.

OakleyDokely · Post #583 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:13 pm

updated ringer mock

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

Dalek · Post #584 » by **Dalek** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:13 pm

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:I can see the elevation difference between Howard and Dick. I think Howard is ten pounds heavier which might impact the springiness. The weight difference will impact Dick in the NBA because he looks thin even on a college court.

It is a weird draft but I don't think Gradey Dick should not be a top ten pick because there is a clear ceiling to his play.

He is like a fourth option like Howard would be. The defense is scrappy but I don't think he is a stopper and his offense is not advanced enough to be a three level scorer. I just wonder if Dick and Howard are going to be Luke Kennard level in the NBA.

Can't Gradey be like a taller Tyler Herro? What about Reggie Miller?

I'd have to go through his shot types, but for sure Herro is a really good shot creator and maybe Dick develops into this. I think the thing I notice is Dick is good with simple pull-up moves but he is not going to get past NBA players in ISO like Herro can. Maybe in time.

I think Herro is really strong with the ball and Dick when attacking seems to be off-balance when finishing. I don't know if it is avoid contact or if he has a balance issue, but he seems to fall over when attacking.

Reggie worked off screens and was in constant motion. I might be able to see that, but I don't know if Dick is currently a movement shooter. Jett I can say has that capability, and a Jordan Hawkins definitely. Getting to Reggie or a JJ Reddick level just requires insane cardio and teams who know how to screen.

I had a rethink of where Dick should go, and I think OKC makes a lot of sense. They have three great creators, and having Dick cutting and just being a deep threat should help them. Especially when they get Holmgren, they could be special - almost a five out team.

ItsDanger · Post #585 » by **ItsDanger** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:21 pm

Herro has a far superior handle and is more of a combo guard. You'd hope Dick can turn into Middleton type scorer with an in between game.

OakleyDokely · Post #586 » by **OakleyDokely** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:23 pm

If we draft Kobe, he should wear #81

Rodrickle · Post #587 » by **Rodrickle** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:29 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Kobe reportedly has a 6'9 wingspan, has solid rebounding/steals rate and he's a guy who improved dramatically from his freshman year, so he could be possibility.

Not to mention his finishing at the rim for a guard, 72% or 93rd percentile. We could definitely use a guard who can finish at the rim lol. Apparently he comes from a good family too. Plus his name is Kobe.

Dalek · Post #588 » by **Dalek** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:35 pm

I was thinking about the top ten, and I think there has to be one or two guys that make it that no one expected to round out 9 and 10. Guys like Dick and Black are always considered top ten and I could see either drop out in favor of more NBA ready types. Both those guys will be good high-end role players, but it seems like there are a number of teams with multiple firsts. To me that might mean they are more willing to gamble on a one and done high upside type.

In the top ten I could see Brice Sensabaugh. The guy is about 6'6/6'7 and a three level scorer and only 18. To me, he is the type a lot of teams will have a hard time passing on especially if they get him in a workout scenario. He looks like he would cook in that scenario. He is not a defender, but that could be Carmelo Anthony like scoring:

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The other guy I see as a top ten pick potentially is Kyle Filipowski. He could fit the Lauri Markkanen archetype and I think NBA teams like that type of size and fluidity with the ball. I just don't know if he commits this year but it is hard to find true seven footers with his handle and shooting potential.

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #589 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:39 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Kobe reportedly has a 6'9 wingspan, has solid rebounding/steals rate and he's a guy who improved dramatically from his freshman year, so he could be possibility.

Kobe brings a lot to the table in terms of what the Raptors lack at guard. He has an array of moves to get shots off at the midrange level, can shoot the deep ball and while a part of me wishes he were just 5% more athletic than he is, he is really good at finishing at the rim when he can get there and shows a willingness to attack. If he gets beat to his spots he can pull up and fade away and has the awareness to just pass out at times as well. That's my concern with him is how he's going to get to the rack at the NBA level because it seems he lacks that extra gear but maybe this can be overcome by quicker decision making. I also don't really know much about the character. Everything else checks out for me.

Psubs · Post #590 » by **Psubs** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:45 pm

Dalek wrote:I was thinking about the top ten, and I think there has to be one or two guys that make it that no one expected to round out 9 and 10. Guys like Dick and Black are always considered top ten and I could see either drop out in favor of more NBA ready types. Both those guys will be good high-end role players, but it seems like there are a number of teams with multiple firsts. To me that might mean they are more willing to gamble on a one and done high upside type.

In the top ten I could see Brice Sensabaugh. The guy is about 6'6/6'7 and a three level scorer and only 18. To me, he is the type a lot of teams will have a hard time passing on especially if they get him in a workout scenario. He looks like he would cook in that scenario. He is not a defender, but that could be Carmelo Anthony like scoring:

Read on Twitter

The other guy I see as a top ten pick potentially is Kyle Filipowski. He could fit the Lauri Markkanen archetype and I think NBA teams like that type of size and fluidity with the ball. I just don't know if he commits this year but it is hard to find true seven footers with his handle and shooting potential.

Didn't Malaki Branham shoot like 50/40/80 at Ohio State?

ItsDanger · Post #591 » by **ItsDanger** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 4:47 pm

Watch out for Roddy Gayle next season on Ohio State, he looked very impressive in the Big10 tournament.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #592 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:16 pm

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BoyzNTheHood · Post #593 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:18 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Kobe reportedly has a 6'9 wingspan, has solid rebounding/steals rate and he's a guy who improved dramatically from his freshman year, so he could be possibility.

Not to mention his finishing at the rim for a guard, 72% or 93rd percentile. We could definitely use a guard who can finish at the rim lol. Apparently he comes from a good family too. Plus his name is Kobe.

He’s an overlooked lottery pick. Jett got the attention but Kobe went about his business quietly. Tankathon has him at 38

but there’s no way he makes it past 20.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #594 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:21 pm

Dalek wrote:I was thinking about the top ten, and I think there has to be one or two guys that make it that no one expected to round out 9 and 10. Guys like Dick and Black are always considered top ten and I could see either drop out in favor of more NBA ready types. Both those guys will be good high-end role players, but it seems like there are a number of teams with multiple firsts. To me that might mean they are more willing to gamble on a one and done high upside type.

In the top ten I could see Brice Sensabaugh. The guy is about 6'6/6'7 and a three level scorer and only 18. To me, he is the type a lot of teams will have a hard time passing on especially if they get him in a workout scenario. He looks like he would cook in that scenario. He is not a defender, but that could be Carmelo Anthony like scoring:

Read on Twitter

The other guy I see as a top ten pick potentially is Kyle Filipowski. He could fit the Lauri Markkanen archetype and I think NBA teams like that type of size and fluidity with the ball. I just don't know if he commits this year but it is hard to find true seven footers with his handle and shooting potential.

Filipowski should be there when we pick. I like his game a lot. It’s annoying to mention this name, but I kind of see him as a tough Bargnani. Imagine if Andrea cared. That’s Kyle Filipowski. The problem is where do we play him with Pascal and Jakob? Unless Pascal can play the 3 Filipowski will be relegated to the bench and might start his career off slow like Markkanen did.

dozo · Post #595 » by **dozo** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:23 pm

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Thats a fair mock draft. Not having a 2nd is upsetting cause there are prospects who I think stick in the NBA.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #596 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:27 pm

Adding this to an offense where everyone besides Scottie and Jakob are allergic to movement would be transcendent. Fred, Pascal, Gary, Precious, etc are all out there for themselves. At least Fred and Gary can shoot. Pascal and the other non shooters just create a lack of spacing.

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ATLTimekeeper · Post #597 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:28 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Rodrickle wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:Kobe reportedly has a 6'9 wingspan, has solid rebounding/steals rate and he's a guy who improved dramatically from his freshman year, so he could be possibility.

Not to mention his finishing at the rim for a guard, 72% or 93rd percentile. We could definitely use a guard who can finish at the rim lol. Apparently he comes from a good family too. Plus his name is Kobe.

He’s an overlooked lottery pick. Jett got the attention but Kobe went about his business quietly. Tankathon has him at 38 but there’s no way he makes it past 20.

I think he's a pretty mediocre guard prospect, personally. It's just that the field is weaker than normal and the Raptors are seemingly more in need of a scoring guard that people are going to hype him up more. Doesn't score a lot, isn't a high usage player, doesn't score outside the paint all that well, doesn't get to the line, and then he has the flimsy frame that is typically a defensive mismatch for every team to hunt down. Quiet is a good way to describe his style.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #598 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:31 pm

38 is still too low for him in this draft, and most drafts quite frankly. I don’t think calling him a lottery pick is overselling.

45% shooter, over 70% at the rim, 85% from the line. That’s quality.

Edit: for example, why is someone like Julian Phillips ranked above him? He did absolutely nothing this season. James Nnaji is ranked above him, Rayan Rupert, etc. What makes NSJ a top-10 pick and Bufkin a 2nd rounder? NSJ couldn’t produce with at least 5 future NBA players on his roster while Bufkin did it with 1 or 2 other guys.

WuTang_CMB · Post #599 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:36 pm

dozo wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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Thats a fair mock draft. Not having a 2nd is upsetting cause there are prospects who I think stick in the NBA.

I think we possibly move back this year.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #600 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Tue Apr 4, 2023 5:43 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:38 is still too low for him in this draft, and most drafts quite frankly. I don’t think calling him a lottery pick is overselling.

45% shooter, over 70% at the rim, 85% from the line. That’s quality.

Edit: for example, why is someone like Julian Phillips ranked above him? He did absolutely nothing this season. James Nnaji is ranked above him, Rayan Rupert, etc. What makes NSJ a top-10 pick and Bufkin a 2nd rounder? NSJ couldn’t produce with at least 5 future NBA players on his roster while Bufkin did it with 1 or 2 other guys.

Yeah I will agree that he's mocked too low, but still not someone I would identify as a sleeper or even a high floor player. There's plenty of prospects currently mocked ahead of him that I believe have a strong chance of being bad picks/players.