Raptors coaching search - Part 2

[Public_Enemy101]

I like Kenny Atkinson. He did a good job developing players in Brooklyn. Has A LOT of NBA experience and coaches alongside Kerr.

He does look like a hard ass... but maybe he's a cool dude behind closed doors.

[kirkwood]

What's Kevin Oneil up to?

[dTox]

My personal ranking of the available candidates

1. Jodi
2. Darko
3. Kenny

[dagger]

Windhorst is lying. Fred rejected the offer last off-season. Klutch has been shut right out of the Raptors FO and so Windhorst is left with nothing but speculation.

The fact that Fred rejected an offer last fall doesn't mean much several month later. The market, which is formed by the needs of potential suitors and the tools they have or lack (cap space, incentives for a sign and trade), is different right now than it was before the season.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Windhorst is lying. Fred rejected the offer last off-season. Klutch has been shut right out of the Raptors FO and so Windhorst is left with nothing but speculation.

The fact that Fred rejected an offer last fall doesn't mean much several month later. The market, which is formed by the needs of potential suitors and the tools they have or lack (cap space, incentives for a sign and trade), is different right now than it was before the season.

Of course, but we're talking about Windhorst claiming the Raptors are at fault for not offering him an extension last summer. It means the Raptors didn't hedge, but were rebuffed by Fred. Even informally, if the notion is that Fred could lock in at anytime he had his floor and chose to see if he could make more. It looks like he might be right, but we've seen Klutch have a history of misreading the market and leaving players screwed.

Through reporting you can tell that Fred has a market in LAL, Philly and Phoenix, but those teams all require the Raptors to take back unappealing parts. And then you have Fred's true leverage, which is taking big money at Orlando or San Antonio, but both those teams are going to get a lot younger and in San Antonio's case they will have to watch their cap as they've got cheap owners that won't pay tax. San Antonio's previous success model was highly dependant on good players taking way less than market value to win, and they can't promise that anymore (and players just don't do that anymore, either). Masai might be better off waiting out the market. Make a good bid to JP, extend OG and let Siakam earn his next deal and see if Fred wants to re-up for a reasonable $ or take slightly more for a loser.

[will]

What's Kevin Oneil up to?

Not the scoreboard

[NBA Sheady]

I like Kenny Atkinson. He did a good job developing players in Brooklyn. Has A LOT of NBA experience and coaches alongside Kerr.

He does look like a hard ass... but maybe he's a cool dude behind closed doors.

He had a bad team playing really hard. We need that right now.

[dagger]

And then you have Fred's true leverage, which is taking big money at Orlando or San Antonio, but both those teams are going to get a lot younger and in San Antonio's case they will have to watch their cap as they've got cheap owners that won't pay tax.

That summarizes how the market has shifted against Fred. Fultz learned to play the game, SA will watch its $$$ as they will have lots of extensions ahead with the big pick basket it holds. Teams that might have wanted Fred, even still do, burned draft and other capital at the deadline. Fred and the Raptors may yet have to at least talk about a smaller number than the one Fred envisioned prior to the season. The Raptors might entertain the idea at that point of signing him and trading him at the deadline if next season goes south early. Or Fred could even sign a short-term deal to re-establish his value.

[gerrit4]

I like Kenny Atkinson. He did a good job developing players in Brooklyn. Has A LOT of NBA experience and coaches alongside Kerr.

He does look like a hard ass... but maybe he's a cool dude behind closed doors.

When you look at the Nets team he coached before they got Kyrie/KD, you can see why we'd be interested. I think if there's any hope in becoming a contender again, we'll need to get back to being a team (like the Heat) that can develop undrafted/passed over/second chance guys. That was a fun team, and I'd love to have another fun Raptors team.

[tecumseh18]

... let Siakam earn his next deal ...

I would have held off if Siakam had qualified for the supermax extension this summer, but I'd certainly be willing to sign him to a basic max extension right now - if only to make him tradeable for real value at the deadline or next summer. There's always the danger Pascal makes all-NBA again next year and qualifies for a supermax contract. Which would complicate the negotiations.

[Public_Enemy101]

I like Kenny Atkinson. He did a good job developing players in Brooklyn. Has A LOT of NBA experience and coaches alongside Kerr.

He does look like a hard ass... but maybe he's a cool dude behind closed doors.

When you look at the Nets team he coached before they got Kyrie/KD, you can see why we'd be interested. I think if there's any hope in becoming a contender again, we'll need to get back to being a team (like the Heat) that can develop undrafted/passed over/second chance guys. That was a fun team, and I'd love to have another fun Raptors team.

If I'm not mistaken, Kenny coached and developed Jarrett Allen into a very solid center. I can see him doing good things for Scottie as well.

He also got good results out of Joe Harris and Spencer Dinwiddie. Then the Kyrie and KD era happened and destroyed everything good Brooklyn built LOL

[WuTang_CMB]

Gores inflated the market

The six-year, $78 million contract signed by Monty Williams with the Detroit Pistons will impact accomplished head coaches as they work on extensions with their incumbent teams.

"It's going to significantly impact the head coaching landscape for high level coaches including Miami's Erik Spoelstra and Golden State's Steve Kerr," said Adrian Wojnarowski. "Both of those coaches have one year left, next season, on their deals. Both, I'm told, in the $8 million annual range right now. Both coaches, when you talk to owners and executives around the league, if they were on the open market might be able to get what Sean Payton got: in the neighborhood of $20 million per year.

"It's hard to imagine Erik Spoelstra leaving a Miami organization where he started 28 years ago as a video intern, where he's spent 15 years as a head coach with two championships.

"Steve Kerr is going to be a different situation. His president/GM Bob Myers announced last week that he's leaving. This is an aging roster. The worldview for Steve Kerr may look different. Watch his negotiations this summer on an extension.

"One other coach who is going to benefit from Monty Williams changing the pay structure of NBA head coach is Clippers coach Ty Lue."

[goinrogue]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/analysis/2023/06/05/whos-on-the-shortlist-to-be-raptors-head-coach-two-front-runners-dropped-from-second-interview-round.html

Source is Doug smith so grain of salt but he says Jordi and Nash are out. Darko and Sergio still in

[WuTang_CMB]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/analysis/2023/06/05/whos-on-the-shortlist-to-be-raptors-head-coach-two-front-runners-dropped-from-second-interview-round.html

Source is Doug smith so grain of salt but he says Jordi and Nash are out. Darko and Sergio still in

yeah I had Jordi #3. Looks like Darko and Sergio leading. Their resume's speak for themselves.

[goinrogue]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/analysis/2023/06/05/whos-on-the-shortlist-to-be-raptors-head-coach-two-front-runners-dropped-from-second-interview-round.html

Source is Doug smith so grain of salt but he says Jordi and Nash are out. Darko and Sergio still in

yeah I had Jordi #3. Looks like Darko and Sergio leading. Their resume's speak for themselves.

I’d be thrilled with Darko. Memphis is amazing at player development

[ATLTimekeeper]

I would buy the theory that they're just waiting on Sergio to finish his playoffs.

[redraptor77]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/analysis/2023/06/05/whos-on-the-shortlist-to-be-raptors-head-coach-two-front-runners-dropped-from-second-interview-round.html

Source is Doug smith so grain of salt but he says Jordi and Nash are out. Darko and Sergio still in

yeah I had Jordi #3. Looks like Darko and Sergio leading. Their resume's speak for themselves.

I’d be thrilled with Darko. Memphis is amazing at player development

LOL DOUGIE - anything he says is opposite world... So it mean Nash will be HC soon and Jordi will agree to be assistant

[OAKLEY_2]

I would buy the theory that they're just waiting on Sergio to finish his playoffs.

I would wager on it vs. Doug's revisiting Nash or whomever, whenever.

[Dalek]

Some analyst put it best in that Toronto interviewing so many candidates means they get like 15 different scouting reports for the team, assuming they ask how coaches would play their team or construct the roster to benefit key players. It is all good intel to have.

It is weird that Scariolo's interview got moved to be a Skype call rather than in-person. They knew the playoff schedule for his team, so I think something must have come up because it seems like a less serious approach to him.

The rumors about Kenny Atkinson interviewing recently could be the reason but it seems strange that he wouldn't have been shortlisted earlier and that he hasn't been a definitive choice. I just think with Bob Myers gone, you could see Steve Kerr take his role and create an opening for KA to step in. Toronto's dithering is going to cost them options.

HC candidates or assistant coach options are drying up:

Sam Cassell went to Boston - would have been a great player development coach
James Borrego went to New Orleans - a really interesting young coach who could have been an option
Kevin Young - former HC candidate but he has now returned to Phoenix to be an assistant

There’s been talk of Kerr eventually taking over for Pop in San Antonio so I think Atkinson would be inclined to stay on in GS if that is the case.

That is really interesting. Steve Kerr in SA. Either way Kenny could have a lead on that HC position in GSW and I would think the situation is more attractive since he knows the org well by now.

I think Scariolo is the choice the playoffs are a seven game series and if it was a sweep June 16 would be the date their season finishes. If it goes 7 games then June 23 would be the latest.

To add to the list of guys off the assistant coach/Head coach option. The Phoenix Suns are hiring Jazz associate GM David Fizdale as an assistant coach. The longer this takes the weaker the options we have to fill out the bench.

Forget about the draft, but guys want to get their summer plans in order. Toronto into 5 weeks of this hunt and if not wrapping up this week, we might have more coaches lose interest.

Can we agree Toronto is just slow? Slow to respond to the trade market/deadline, slow to sign FAs unless their own, and slow to hire a coach. Are they a team suffered from paralysis by analysis?

[alpngso]

All the teams are finalizing their staff with AC, but Raptors just fine with taking the patient approach. I guess Raps have staff candidates who are under the radar, including the HC