2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5

[BoyzNTheHood]

Any of the top 7 picks on either of these 2 teams right now?

Nope!

[Jcity08]

Two horrible mishaps by the same kid in a row

[Potential]

#21 has to be the worst player I've ever seen in sports history. He had like 10 turnovers in the last 3 minutes

[BoyzNTheHood]

Two horrible mishaps by the same kid in a row

Sharpe was really good leading up to this game, but man he ended it brutally.

[Grew]

Kelvin sampson looks like he's about to end it all. Hope he gets some love from his wife tonight

[BoyzNTheHood]

Kelvin sampson looks like he's about to end it all. Hope he gets some love from his wife tonight

I guess he won’t be choosing the red pill

[PushDaRock]

#21 has to be the worst player I've ever seen in sports history. He had like 10 turnovers in the last 3 minutes

College kids in high pressure situations aren't going to handle it too well in most instances

But, I wouldn't even say that was all his fault. He tried to make a play with not much going on and help defender made a great play on the first turnover and that last shot he didn't get off was a great contest, Clayton was right on him when he turned to shoot which surprised him. Obviously with perfect hindsight he feels Clayton is right there on him and it's shot fake and maybe try to draw the foul or side step but when you're in the moment it's not easy like that.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I picked Houston to win it all. My wife and son.picked Duke.

Experience over talent.

I had Florida & Houston in the final, with Houston winning. We will see Monday night..

Speaking of Alijah Martin. I love his game. He would be an interesting pickup as a non draftee. Develop him as a role.player on the 905 as the next Lou Dort.

Yessirskiiii

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Lol earlier in the season I predicted, albeit jokingly, that we would finish 7th and pick Asa Newell. His low rebounding numbers concern me, I'm reading that he's really good defensively. I think the question is do you trust the 3pt shot?

I get that the Newell pick is boring and that Fears and Queen are clearly more talented scorers, but I think you have to look at other facets of the game. Queen is a better rebounder but he's also a worse shooter and much worse defensively. The question with Fears is do you project him being significantly better than the glut of guards that we already have?

FO's gonna have their work cut out for them if we stay at 7.

Queen is a far superior shooter than Newell. Queen is a budding shot creator, Newell is just a c&s afterthought in an offense.

I'm speaking specifically from the 3pt line, where Queen is shooting 20% and Newell is shooting 29%. There's no questions that Queen is the superior offensive player

Shooting goes beyond mere percentages my man, you need to factor in how those shots are generated and volume. Also Queen's FT% history a lot better. Queen legit middy shot creator with touch markers to extend to 3 with time, Newell just C&S.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Clayton largely did a great job punishing Sampson for erasing his 3 ball.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Kelvin sampson looks like he's about to end it all. Hope he gets some love from his wife tonight

I guess he won’t be choosing the red pill

I feel bad for Sampson the guy works his ass off and just cant ever get past the finish line 1st. He has some crazy good recruits coming next year.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Mark my words, Cryer is getting an NBA contract, whether its undrafted or late draft.

Cryer sucks bro, pettiford and wcj clear him easy

[bballsparkin]

Condon looks really flustered by the moment

He looks like a great all around player to have. Just don't give him the ball to score lol.

[Psubs]

Condon looks really flustered by the moment

His ankle is probably not 100%.

He needs to go to Big Man camp for sure!

[Reeko]

Queen is a far superior shooter than Newell. Queen is a budding shot creator, Newell is just a c&s afterthought in an offense.

I'm speaking specifically from the 3pt line, where Queen is shooting 20% and Newell is shooting 29%. There's no questions that Queen is the superior offensive player

Shooting goes beyond mere percentages my man, you need to factor in how those shots are generated and volume. Also Queen's FT% history a lot better. Queen legit middy shot creator with touch markers to extend to 3 with time, Newell just C&S.

Newell with 2.7 three point attempts per game vs Queen's 1 attempt per game. Queen shoots less than 2% better from the ft line. A lot of Queen's 3s were C&S attempts as well. Newell clears Queen in TS%, BPM, and WS/40. I understand why you would want a guy like Queen over Newell, just don't be surprised if our FO values what Newell provides over what Queen provides. An argument can be made for both players is all I'm saying.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I think I'd trade down, grab another first, and draft Traore and Haugh

Quickley/Shead/Traore
Barrett/Walter/Dick
Ingram/Agbaji/Haugh
Barnes/Boucher/Mogbo
Poeltl/Robinson/Chomche

='Ship

[treerollins]

i don’t understand why anyone is advocating for queen when we have iq, rj, bi, scottie and gradey who all want to play with the ball in their hands. it’s a terrible fit. we don’t have any need for a high usage guy unless he’s an elite scorer ie better than most of our starting 5 or a guy that breaks down defences off the dribble and can finish at the rim. we need a play finisher with solid defence, ideally one who can space the floor and rebound.

[Thaddy]

i don’t understand why anyone is advocating for queen when we have iq, rj, bi, scottie and gradey who all want to play with the ball in their hands. it’s a terrible fit. we don’t have any need for a high usage guy unless he’s an elite scorer ie better than most of our starting 5 or a guy that breaks down defences off the dribble and can finish at the rim. we need a play finisher with solid defence, ideally one who can space the floor and rebound.

Newell looks like a better prospect than Queen. He would also make us look much better sooner.

Poeltl
Newell
Ingram
Barnes
IQ

I could see that being the go to line up in the future. It aligns with Masai's dream of the complete (or near complete) 6'9 line up.

[TeamDisgruntled]

I'm speaking specifically from the 3pt line, where Queen is shooting 20% and Newell is shooting 29%. There's no questions that Queen is the superior offensive player

Shooting goes beyond mere percentages my man, you need to factor in how those shots are generated and volume. Also Queen's FT% history a lot better. Queen legit middy shot creator with touch markers to extend to 3 with time, Newell just C&S.

Newell with 2.7 three point attempts per game vs Queen's 1 attempt per game. Queen shoots less than 2% better from the ft line. A lot of Queen's 3s were C&S attempts as well. Newell clears Queen in TS%, BPM, and WS/40. I understand why you would want a guy like Queen over Newell, just don't be surprised if our FO values what Newell provides over what Queen provides. An argument can be made for both players is all I'm saying.

After starting the season 3-19, 16% from 3 - in his first 9 games, Newell shot 23-70 for 33% (2.9 attempts) over his last 24 games. Saying Queen is going to be the better 3pt shooter is pure speculation. This may matter to some and not so much to others but Newell’s shot form is actually really aesthetic, it just looks like a shot from that’s going to fall 36+% of the time.

If you think Queen is creating 3s off the dribble in the NBA, you’re going to be disappointed. They will both likely be catch and shoot after leaving college. Newell projects as a plus, switchable defender at the next level, Queens defence? Well the jury’s still out. I think Newell fits this teams needs better personally but different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[Indeed]

i don’t understand why anyone is advocating for queen when we have iq, rj, bi, scottie and gradey who all want to play with the ball in their hands. it’s a terrible fit. we don’t have any need for a high usage guy unless he’s an elite scorer ie better than most of our starting 5 or a guy that breaks down defences off the dribble and can finish at the rim. we need a play finisher with solid defence, ideally one who can space the floor and rebound.

You may want to read the Barnes thread to understand he is bottom 20th in efficiency. Even it is due to tanking, he would not be league average, so how is he "want to play with the ball"? We should reduce his touches.

Queen is definitely the perfect fit for our offense. You deal with Barnes on his lack of offense and Barrett on his lack of defense afterward.