Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

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The appealing thing about Houston is their expiring contracts and their ability to absorb Turkoglu in a deal as well. If BC doesn't find a way to dump Hedo with Bosh then the trade is pretty much an epic failure. I think dumping Hedo is more important than anything we'd be getting back from Houston - including the picks.

He won't dump Hedo in this or any other trade except with Dallas. The price of losing Turk is good quality young assets. I'd rather keep Turk and the good quality young assets. Turk can always play himself into our good graces, or, as some suggest, he can be bought out. It's not my money, and we're not going to be a prime free agent destination so I don't care about cap space.

Don't let your emotions get in the way here.

Let MLSE use its money to deal with Turk.

[Kreamy]

Bosh and Turkoglu for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hill, Andersen and both the Knicks' picks should be the deal. Nothing less, nothing more. That trade puts us in a position to rebuild right away and gives the Rockets a formidable roster/core of Bosh, Yao, Brooks, Martin, Scola, Hedo, Hayes, Lowry, Budinger, their pick this year and MLE to address whatever needs they might still have. Win/win for both sides.

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I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

No I dont see Scola in this at all. He's an RFA, and he wants to stay in Houston and they have pretty much promised him that he will.

Battier is a maybe in this deal. They love his leadership, and it would help us immensely. This trade can be structured so that they keep Battier, but the quid pro quo would be an additional pick or picks.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'd rather unload Turk with Bosh then get a super good return package. Getting rid of Hedo is great in itself.

everybody wants Hedo out, but most likely we'll need to trade Hedo for another less than perfect player. BC wants to be sure that at last the comeback from Hedo trade is a shorter/tradable contract.

I wouldn't want to dilute the return on a Bosh s&t by including Hedo. We need as good young talent as we can get, and if we get a young scoring point guard, Hedo can be better utilized in the offense. If we try to include Hedo in a Bosh deal, dumping him is about all we can expect, and we still have lots of issues at PG, consistency at SG, and C. Moving Jose (or possibly Jack, if we can get a talented player back AND also have a plan in place to bring in a starting PG) is a better idea.

[Rhettmatic]

The appealing thing about Houston is their expiring contracts and their ability to absorb Turkoglu in a deal as well. If BC doesn't find a way to dump Hedo with Bosh then the trade is pretty much an epic failure. I think dumping Hedo is more important than anything we'd be getting back from Houston - including the picks.

Yeah, I'd gladly sacrifice whichever "assets" they're sending our way in exchange for adding Turkoglu into the deal. But it's tough to make salaries work because they don't have a ton of dead weight contracts.

[ATLTimekeeper]

People are so high on him being dominant once again when he returns. The guy has missed so many games with severe injuries I doubt he will even be 25% of the player he was before. He'll be cheap to re-sign when the time comes, if he's even playing, but he'll most likely be on the DL again, at which point he might as well retire.

Definitely a concern. If I were Bosh and Yao came to my door, I'd make him do a lap around my house first.

[dagger]

Bosh and Turkoglu for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hill, Andersen and both the Knicks' picks should be the deal. Nothing less, nothing more. That trade puts us in a position to rebuild right away and gives the Rockets a formidable roster/core of Bosh, Yao, Brooks, Martin, Scola, Hedo, Hayes, Lowry, Budinger, their pick this year and MLE to address whatever needs they might still have. Win/win for both sides.

Turk throws them into big time tax. I simply do not see this. Not at all. And even if it were possible, Ariza doesn't want to be here, he wants to be in the West, near his infant son.

You will not lose Turk in this and I wouldn't want to sacrifice the extra picks and/or futures we could get in this trade. Let MLSE buy out Turkuglu.

[chyau.00]

If Bosh is going to Houston, I want nothing less than

Scola
Martin
Brooks

do you know how old scola is?
and i would not want martin anywhere near our backcourt
same goes for brooks

we need defenceee

[supersub15]

Not sure why anyone would want Battier and Scola. If you want to finish 39-43 for the next 3 years and get the #15 pick, please go ahead. Except Colangelo, of course...

[Dangles]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

Keep Budinger away from this team PLEASE!

[MrBojangelz71]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

No I dont see Scola in this at all. He's an RFA, and he wants to stay in Houston and they have pretty much promised him that he will.

Battier is a maybe in this deal. They love his leadership, and it would help us immensely. This trade can be structured so that they keep Battier, but the quid pro quo would be an additional pick or picks.

With Bosh in their lineup, Scola's role gets greatly reduced. He won't be finishing games and unless injuries happen, he becomes a bench player. I could see him changing his mind on wanting to remain in Houston as a bench player when he can become a full time starter in TO.

[killerbs]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

Keep Budinger away from this team PLEASE!

Why so?

[douggood]

i would rather have the picks and bury hedo on the depth chart then to trade him just for the sake of trading him.

and as for ariza not wanting to come to toronto, i am sure there are some teams that would be willing to trade for him.

[Raps in 4]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

No I dont see Scola in this at all. He's an RFA, and he wants to stay in Houston and they have pretty much promised him that he will.

Battier is a maybe in this deal. They love his leadership, and it would help us immensely. This trade can be structured so that they keep Battier, but the quid pro quo would be an additional pick or picks.

Scola played in the Euroleague, and holds a dual Spanish and Argentine citizenship. Seems like a BC-type player. I don't think he'd mind coming into the situation (a Euro lineup where he'd be a starter) here in Toronto, and I certainly don't think BC would mind bringing him here (in fact I'm sure he'll request to have him included in a package).

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Yeah, I'd gladly sacrifice whichever "assets" they're sending our way in exchange for adding Turkoglu into the deal.

I don't like Hedo, but just buy him out. Don't deprive the franchise of useful assets. Why should part of Bosh's trade value go towards erasing a player we brought in to make him happy.

Sorry I don't this at all.

For all I care, Hedo can sit in Turkey collecting his pay. We're not a team that can do much with cap space. Even if we open up a bit of cap space in 2011-12, all we'll do is facilitate trades with it in exchange for draft picks - which we can get now by not involving Hedo in this deal.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I would bet the farm that Scola will be part of any S&T with Houston. He is a UFA this season so Houston would have to sign him to a 4 year 8 to 9 mill per and then package him with a Battier and a couple of draft picks.

Scola is getting up in years but this is a good player. He wouldn't replace Bosh but he would provide a lot of what we will be missing with Bosh. I like him on the defensive end.

Battier is a solid expiring that would also improve our D instantly. Honestly, you add Scola and Battier, we become a better defensive team immediately.

Throw in Bud and a draft pick or 2 and we have a deal

No I dont see Scola in this at all. He's an RFA, and he wants to stay in Houston and they have pretty much promised him that he will.

Battier is a maybe in this deal. They love his leadership, and it would help us immensely. This trade can be structured so that they keep Battier, but the quid pro quo would be an additional pick or picks.

I'd rather keep Battier out of it, we're not in a win-now situation and whatever additional picks keeping him out of the deal require would probably be more valuable to us in a rebuild (plus I can see Battier being more important to them as well if they're looking to contend). I just hope BC doesn't pull some ill-advised win-now move where we get good role players that will simply lock us into mediocrity for another season.

[Dangles]

Bosh and Turkoglu for Ariza, Battier, Jefferies, Hill, Andersen and both the Knicks' picks should be the deal. Nothing less, nothing more. That trade puts us in a position to rebuild right away and gives the Rockets a formidable roster/core of Bosh, Yao, Brooks, Martin, Scola, Hedo, Hayes, Lowry, Budinger, their pick this year and MLE to address whatever needs they might still have. Win/win for both sides.

Turk throws them into big time tax. I simply do not see this. Not at all. And even if it were possible, Ariza doesn't want to be here, he wants to be in the West, near his infant son.

You will not lose Turk in this and I wouldn't want to sacrifice the extra picks and/or futures we could get in this trade. Let MLSE buy out Turkuglu.

You paint a grim picture here dude... Why would you eve want to do this trade then just for the picks? not sure that is enough to get Bosh from a team that is over the cap

[Kreamy]

The appealing thing about Houston is their expiring contracts and their ability to absorb Turkoglu in a deal as well. If BC doesn't find a way to dump Hedo with Bosh then the trade is pretty much an epic failure. I think dumping Hedo is more important than anything we'd be getting back from Houston - including the picks.

He won't dump Hedo in this or any other trade except with Dallas. The price of losing Turk is good quality young assets. I'd rather keep Turk and the good quality young assets. Turk can always play himself into our good graces, or, as some suggest, he can be bought out. It's not my money, and we're not going to be a prime free agent destination so I don't care about cap space.

Don't let your emotions get in the way here.

Let MLSE use its money to deal with Turk.

It's not really about MLSE and their money. I could care less if they're the ones paying Hedo's contract as long as he's not using up our cap. He's 31 and signed for the next 4 years. Not the type of piece you want on your roster if you're going for a full out rebuild - which is what Raptors would be doing if they make the Houston deal. I'm also not sure Hedo is the type of guy you want around your young players.

[douggood]

With Bosh in their lineup, Scola's role gets greatly reduced. He won't be finishing games and unless injuries happen, he becomes a bench player. I could see him changing his mind on wanting to remain in Houston as a bench player when he can become a full time starter in TO.

on the flip side i dont see houston wanting to trade scola, yao is neve going to be a 40 min player, he is gonna get 30 min per game. and to boot he is an injury risk. Scola provides them a backup(18 min at centre+12at pf) and a replacement big incase of injury.

[Ripp]

With Bosh in their lineup, Scola's role gets greatly reduced. He won't be finishing games and unless injuries happen, he becomes a bench player. I could see him changing his mind on wanting to remain in Houston as a bench player when he can become a full time starter in TO.

It is still unclear to me how they want to resolve the Scola situation. Scola is not going to be happy playing for a bad team. The Rockets supposedly want to keep Scola, but a more pressing need a a good backup C for Yao. The wisest thing to do is to route Scola to a contending team in the East for some sort of asset. Unclear how Morey would handle this, though...I don't see more than 20 minutes a night available for Scola if they secured Bosh.

If Scola or Bosh could play C, then life would be better. But both are more talented offensively than defensively, so it doesn't quite make sense to use either in that role..