Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[Snidely FC]

it is hard to decide between TJones, Barnes, DWilliams and the like because they're SFs which are more plentiful but also have less impact on team outcome (as shown in earlier threads) than the more scarce Center and PG. At the top of a draft like '11 you've got to take Irving if available and then after that you've got to take size which is scarcer - guys like PJ3, Kanter, Val. I know its riskier but SF talent can be had lower down.

[alpha]

Really can't understand all the Irving hopefuls.. He's just had his cast taken off, still rehabbing and still a chance he might not go this year according to Coach K. Yet there are posters in here who'd take him first overall?.
He played great at the beginning, but is that really enough to warrant a 1st overall pick?
' I'd hazard to guess that if the draft were held today and Irving did declare , he might not go top 5
I think he needs at least a full year of college ball to be even close to ready.

[DreamTeam09]

I've been saying this from the 1st thread but theres only really 4 players we should be looking at with our pick.

Raptor draft board.

#1 Kyrie irving +5 level of excitement
#2 Perry Jones +4 level of excitement.
#3 Terannce Jones +3.5 level of excitement
#4 Harrison Barnes +2 level of excitement.

1 pg and 3 sf

Perry Jones is not a small forward, no matter how much you may want him to be one.

Its not about what I want. Its if he can gaurd that postition in the NBA then he'll be a SF. On offense he plays like 3 now and strictly played there b4 Baylor. We'll know more at workouts.

[DreamTeam09]

Really can't understand all the Irving hopefuls.. He's just had his cast taken off, still rehabbing and still a chance he might not go this year according to Coach K. Yet there are posters in here who'd take him first overall?.
He played great at the beginning, but is that really enough to warrant a 1st overall pick?
' I'd hazard to guess that if the draft were held today and Irving did declare , he might not go top 5
I think he needs at least a full year of college ball to be even close to ready.

If the raps had the #1 pick right now we would take him and not think twice. He came in with hype and produced/lived up to it untill he went down. That doesn't take away from what lil we have seen from him and thats not a reason to skip on him either.

[Silk Wilkes]

I'm not sure how I'd feel if we drafted Perry Jones. I just look at him and wonder how he's not as good as Kevin Durant was in college. Don't get me wrong, I understand Durant is a special player but you look at Perry's skill-set and it just oozes with untapped potential. Is his work ethic bad? Is it the team set-up? I just wanna know how he can be so underwhelming seeing as how he has potential to be the best player in college ball BY FAR and he's not even close.

[Dr Positivity]

Perry is a PF and not a SF like Durant. He's not the shooter or overall scorer Durant was. He's at a low volume, super high % pace.

Not every great player lights it up in college. Perry is scoring at an identical pace and % as Bosh and Griffin their freshman years.

He's not a cinch, but there's no question to me he's the most talented player and the one with star talent.

[Silk Wilkes]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

[baulderdash77]

Jones plays C at Baylor not SF. Plus he can't hit a jump shot. HHis entire offensive game right now is put backs, alley oops and dunks. Plus he's not a good rebounder and he doesn't block shots. I've watched him about 5 times this year and I'm always underwelmed because he looks like he should be dominating but he's not.

I really don't see him making the transition to SF at all and he's very far from being an effective PF or C. Seriously he's the riskiest player in the entire draft.

[Silk Wilkes]

I just see Perry Jones as that player who always leaves you wanting more throughout his entire NBA career. Similar to a guy like Anthony Randolph or even Stromile Swift. I know we gotta make a game breaker type of move if we ever want to become a title contender but I think Perry Jones is WAY too risky and he has huge star potential as well as mega bust potential. You know what, as I'm typing this I'm thinking Gerald Green. They obviously had different games but I can see similar careers even though Jones is a top-5 pick and Green was 18th and dumb as a brick.

[WhatsaTDot]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

Just when you thought no one could be worse than Ole! Calderon at stoping penetration , along comes Perry Jones the wing position. And if you mean on the offensive end, you'd be taking him away from all his strengths.

He's a power forward in a power forward's body.

[WhatsaTDot]

He played great at the beginning, but is that really enough to warrant a 1st overall pick?

Absolutely.

I'd hazard to guess that if the draft were held today and Irving did declare , he might not go top 5 I think he needs at least a full year of college ball to be even close to ready.

If the cast was coming off draft day, he would still go top 2.

[Silk Wilkes]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

Just when you thought no one could be worse than Ole! Calderon at stoping penetration , along comes Perry Jones the wing position. And if you mean on the offensive end, you'd be taking him away from all his strengths.

He's a power forward in a power forward's body.

I not sold at all. In the modern day NBA the only Power Forward capable of leading a team to a title is Tim Duncan. Even KG needed Pierce and Allen to take the majority of the offensive load.

[5DOM]

Perry Jones
Valanciunas
Terrence Jones
Harrison Barnes

for me.

Is that post-Irving, or did he not make your top 4?

After Irving of course.

[WhatsaTDot]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

Just when you thought no one could be worse than Ole! Calderon at stoping penetration , along comes Perry Jones the wing position. And if you mean on the offensive end, you'd be taking him away from all his strengths.

He's a power forward in a power forward's body.

I not sold at all. In the modern day NBA the only Power Forward capable of leading a team to a title is Tim Duncan. Even KG needed Pierce and Allen to take the majority of the offensive load.

I have no idea how any of this relates to what I said. I didnt say take KG away from his strengths. KG plays the PF position, as a PF and therefore plays to his strength. I also never said Perry Jones would shoulder the offensive load.

[So Clutch]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

The only way Perry is a nightmare at the 3 is a nightmare of a defensive liability for us.

[Silk Wilkes]

Just when you thought no one could be worse than Ole! Calderon at stoping penetration , along comes Perry Jones the wing position. And if you mean on the offensive end, you'd be taking him away from all his strengths.

He's a power forward in a power forward's body.

I not sold at all. In the modern day NBA the only Power Forward capable of leading a team to a title is Tim Duncan. Even KG needed Pierce and Allen to take the majority of the offensive load.

I have no idea how any of this relates to what I said. I didnt say take KG away from his strengths. KG plays the PF position, as a PF and therefore plays to his strength. I also never said Perry Jones would shoulder the offensive load.

I couldn't care less what you said. I'm thinking of new stuff as I go. I'm working from a worst case scenario point of view. Anyways, when you draft a guy like Jones as a top-5 pick he should be good enough to shoulder the offensive load, especially since you're picking him as a potential star, NOT a role player. THAT's how it relates to Garnett and Duncan. Get it? Got it? Good.

[Silk Wilkes]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

The only way Perry is a nightmare at the 3 is a nightmare of a defensive liability for us.

So then there's no point in taking him unless you're trading someone because at this point I'll take Ed Davis 10 out of 10 times over Perry Jones without even having to think about it.

[So Clutch]

I still don't know. If I'm drafting Perry Jones it's to be a match-up nightmare at small forward as opposed to a Bosh type of Power Forward.

The only way Perry is a nightmare at the 3 is a nightmare of a defensive liability for us.

So then there's no point in taking him unless you're trading someone because at this point I'll take Ed Davis 10 out of 10 times over Perry Jones without even having to think about it.

I think PJ has a bit more upside. Regardless we need to stockpile talent even if it means creating a logjam at a certain position.

[WhatsaTDot]

I couldn't care less what you said.

Then why the **** are you quoting me in your response?

I'm thinking of new stuff as I go.

Clearly.

[Silk Wilkes]

The only way Perry is a nightmare at the 3 is a nightmare of a defensive liability for us.

So then there's no point in taking him unless you're trading someone because at this point I'll take Ed Davis 10 out of 10 times over Perry Jones without even having to think about it.

I think PJ has a bit more upside. Regardless we need to stockpile talent even if it means creating a logjam at a certain position.

Agreed, but someone needs to be dealt if that happens.

I couldn't care less what you said.

Then why the **** are you quoting me in your response?

I'm thinking of new stuff as I go.

Clearly.

This is so fail...