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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#61 » by MEDIC » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:37 pm

killerbs wrote:Anyone else notice PJ Carlismo is commenting for this game lol its a sure pick if Barnes doesnt declare imo


Yeah, I noticed that the first time I watched that video & thought the same thing.

One thing's for sure, that US group was a lot less skilled, athletic & played with a lot less heart than this years squad. Kanter wouldn't have been able to score so easily during this years game. Guys were constantly getting double & triple teamed.

This years group of HS prospects is unbelievable.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#62 » by bboyskinnylegs » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:48 pm

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killerbs wrote:Anyone else notice PJ Carlismo is commenting for this game lol its a sure pick if Barnes doesnt declare imo


Yeah, I noticed that the first time I watched that video & thought the same thing.

One thing's for sure, that US group was a lot less skilled, athletic & played with a lot less heart than this years squad. Kanter wouldn't have been able to score so easily during this years game. Guys were constantly getting double & triple teamed.

This years group of HS prospects is unbelievable.

I definitely think Barnes, Sullinger, and Jones are taking a huge risk by going back. Sullinger especially, he can't prove any more than he did at the college level, and next year he'll be a year older going up against better talent, and will still be considered an undersized big with potential conditioning concerns.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#63 » by MEDIC » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:02 pm

NashyMing wrote:I actually like Bismack Biyombo a lot after the hoops summit game. He has the length, the strength, and the energy to be a very good defensive big man.

He works hard, fight in the post, block shots left and right, bring energy and even leadership to the world squat. When he's off the floor, team USA had a field trip in the post.

He's the perfect example of high risk high reward. He also seems to have great personality, willing to work on his weaknesses.

He can be a shorter Dwight Howard at best and Joey Dorsey at worst. He's great fit for the Raptors. I am actually hoping the Raptors can get a 2nd lottery pick and select Biyombo. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him though.


I've never seen a young player look as much like Ben Wallace as Bismack did in the Nike Hoops summit game. The US squad was extremely athletic. One of the best young US squads ever assembled. They were attacking relentlessly & Bismack stood his ground, swatting away shot after shot.

If it wasn't for Biyombo, the game would not have been competitive at all.

If his age is legit, & he is able to start playing in the NBA asap, I think he'll eventually be a very good player for someone. Might not happen right away. Might even take until he's 25, but I think he'll be a stud defensive player.

He appears to have:

- The heart
- No fear
- Great athleticism for a guy his size
- The length
- The strength/ build to pack on muscle
- Great shot blocking instincts
- Fairly soft touch around the basket

One thing about shorter shot blockers with extremely long arms is that they are deceiving. They tend to block shots because they surprise people with thir length.

Out of the 3 C's available, I think Biyombo by far has the most upside as a defensive prospect.
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Post#64 » by EFF3KT » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:10 pm

Take it for what it is but the word is that Barnes has enrolled in summer classes at UNC. Should be hearing an official decision by tomorrow.

http://www.wchl1360.com/details.html?id=18089
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Post#65 » by MEDIC » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:12 pm

Not sure if this has been posted before (I know the international measurements have), but here's the measurements of the US squad from the Nike Hoops Summit:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-Nike-Hoop-Summit-USA-Team-Measurements-3675/

NIce wingspans on Davis & Christmas, but they're not 7 footers.....although if Davis ever proves to have the ability to play SF in the NBA, he'll be a terror.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#66 » by MEDIC » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:14 pm

mcruzr wrote:Take it for what it is but the word is that Barnes has enrolled in summer classes at UNC. Should be hearing an official decision by tomorrow.

http://www.wchl1360.com/details.html?id=18089


Everything is still "reportedly" though. Nothing confirmed. Does sound like he's leaning that way though. I think it's a big mistake.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#67 » by Reignman » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:19 pm

Almost every prospect that has dropped out of this draft will regret their decision. The ONLY guy I potentially see taking advantage of it might be PJ but that means he finds a heart and looks like a young TMac. Also, I hope he has a deal with Baylor that says they'll play him as a 3/4 rather than a 4/5.

He has the size/length/athleticism and some skill that's really intriguing and if he can put it all together I see him staying at the top or potentially being a #1 pick.

That's a lot of "ifs" but he is the only one I can see benefitting if he puts in the work. I don't see how a guy like Sullinger is going to increase his value, he has a lot to lose by doing this.
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Post#68 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:24 pm

Biyombo's Summit highlights aren't no joke. Those blocks were incredible.
I really like his personality as well, just another bonus.

Damn, I was having a tough enough time choosing between Kanter/Val and now we have Biyombo as well?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#69 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:27 pm

killerbs wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzbhAQGPqk&feature=bf_next&list=WL5BEE2D900E6C134A&index=4[/youtube]

Anyone else notice PJ Carlismo is commenting for this game lol its a sure pick if Barnes doesnt declare imo


smh at Kanter's layup after layup. I counted one and a half dunks. He didn't even dunk on the break. I'm all for a Bogut-type, but I'm not feeling Kanter.

Terrible (but not unexpected) news about Barnes.

Let just get #1 (Irving) or #2 (Williams) and not worry about the weak draft. D-Will's not perfect, but he sure can play.
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Post#70 » by Reignman » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:34 pm

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killerbs wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzbhAQGPqk&feature=bf_next&list=WL5BEE2D900E6C134A&index=4[/youtube]

Anyone else notice PJ Carlismo is commenting for this game lol its a sure pick if Barnes doesnt declare imo


smh at Kanter's layup after layup. I counted one and a half dunks. He didn't even dunk on the break. I'm all for a Bogut-type, but I'm not feeling Kanter.

Terrible (but not unexpected) news about Barnes.

Let just get #1 (Irving) or #2 (Williams) and not worry about the weak draft. D-Will's not perfect, but he sure can play.


I'm not concerned about the lay-ups, he's big enough that he can carve out space. It's also pretty cool to see a big guy like that put the ball on the floor from the 3 pt line and take it all the way to the basket. I mean Bargs gets all kinds of props for that yet here's a guy that will be a stay at home C doing the same thing.

Anyway, that was two years ago at age 16/17, I'm pretty sure he's even bigger now. His footwork and IQ are very good so I'm not too concerned about him playing below the rim.

I have Kanter as 1a and Val as 1b. Two different styles but I love both prospects.
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Post#71 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:10 pm

I'm not sure about Val being a great pnr player right now, wasn't there a report linked by someone who's watched all his games say he doesn't know how to set a screen yet? Definitely doesn't seem like he has the lower body mass to set a great screen yet. He has good mobility and catch and dunk ability though
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Post#72 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:21 pm

Derrick Williams scares me. On one hand I can see the potential for a great "jack of all trades" type of SF (perimeter shooting, post-up ability and maybe triple threat) and on the other hand I see a chance that he becomes nothing more than Joey G with 3 point shooting ability.

The way he plays inside reminds me of Joey G, I don't know if he'll be able to do that kind of stuff in the NBA. I want to draft him as a SF.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#73 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:22 pm

The only thing that worries me about Kanter is it seems like he has no vertical ability and the knee tendonitis won't help. So he's not going to be blocking many shots or dunking. Nevertheless I think rotating well and being in the right place is more important for defense and offensively hopefully his skill level inside and outside would make up for the lack of leap. Also seems like he has long arms which should help.

It seems to me the history of the draft supports the skilled bigs with athletic limitations over the opposite. Monroe, Lopez, Love, Hibbert are all examples of bigs who's skill made up for not having explosiveness and who were wrongly declared low ceiling players in comparison to athletic freaks like Favors and Randolph. I feel much more comfortable going with the skill and strength guy in Kanter over projects like Valanciunas and Biyombo
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Post#74 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:25 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:Derrick Williams scares me. On one hand I can see the potential for a great "jack of all trades" type of SF (perimeter shooting, post-up ability and maybe triple threat) and on the other hand I see a chance that he becomes nothing more than Joey G with 3 point shooting ability.

The way he plays inside reminds me of Joey G, I don't know if he'll be able to do that kind of stuff in the NBA. I want to draft him as a SF.


I'm the opposite, if we drafted him my plan would be to make him a future PF. I don't like him at the 3 because he won't have the footspeed advantage he does at the 4, his perimeter game is good for a PF but not for a SF, his athleticism is more based on fluidity than explosiveness. I don't like him as an off the dribble/isolation type player at all, I see him as a pick and roll big like a more athletic David West or a Beasley if he knew how to set screens and play off the ball.
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Post#75 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:36 pm

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Lionel Messi wrote:Derrick Williams scares me. On one hand I can see the potential for a great "jack of all trades" type of SF (perimeter shooting, post-up ability and maybe triple threat) and on the other hand I see a chance that he becomes nothing more than Joey G with 3 point shooting ability.

The way he plays inside reminds me of Joey G, I don't know if he'll be able to do that kind of stuff in the NBA. I want to draft him as a SF.


I'm the opposite, if we drafted him my plan would be to make him a future PF. I don't like him at the 3 because he won't have the footspeed advantage he does at the 4, his perimeter game is good for a PF but not for a SF, his athleticism is more based on fluidity than explosiveness. I don't like him as an off the dribble/isolation type player at all, I see him as a pick and roll big like a more athletic David West or a Beasley if he knew how to set screens and play off the ball.


So, do you think he'll have a shot at guarding 4s?
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Post#76 » by Silk Wilkes » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:39 pm

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Lionel Messi wrote:Derrick Williams scares me. On one hand I can see the potential for a great "jack of all trades" type of SF (perimeter shooting, post-up ability and maybe triple threat) and on the other hand I see a chance that he becomes nothing more than Joey G with 3 point shooting ability.

The way he plays inside reminds me of Joey G, I don't know if he'll be able to do that kind of stuff in the NBA. I want to draft him as a SF.


I'm the opposite, if we drafted him my plan would be to make him a future PF. I don't like him at the 3 because he won't have the footspeed advantage he does at the 4, his perimeter game is good for a PF but not for a SF, his athleticism is more based on fluidity than explosiveness. I don't like him as an off the dribble/isolation type player at all, I see him as a pick and roll big like a more athletic David West or a Beasley if he knew how to set screens and play off the ball.


I think if guys like Beasley & JJ can play the 3, so can Derrick Williams. He's not gonna lock guys down but you can best your ass he'll work hard. We just need another defender beside Ed in the paint and our front line would be scary.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#77 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:39 pm

I think he'll be fine guarding PFs. It seems like he's an inch short for the position at most, add that to strength and footspeed and it won't be an issue. There are a lot of 6'8ish PFs who can guard the position because they have strength and mobility
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#78 » by Rhettmatic » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:40 pm

Jeff (CT)

Do you have an updated mock for us?

Chad Ford (1:38 PM)

Yes. Here it is: http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft Perry Jones is gone. Harrison Barnes still there for the moment. Other guy in there that I worry about is Jonas Valanciunas. Keep hearing his contract situation is messy and he may be a Rubio type that's a couple of years away from being allowed to play for the NBA. That could affect his draft stock.


Ford is the only person I've seen harping on this, but I wonder if there's anything to it.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#79 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:41 pm

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Lionel Messi wrote:Derrick Williams scares me. On one hand I can see the potential for a great "jack of all trades" type of SF (perimeter shooting, post-up ability and maybe triple threat) and on the other hand I see a chance that he becomes nothing more than Joey G with 3 point shooting ability.

The way he plays inside reminds me of Joey G, I don't know if he'll be able to do that kind of stuff in the NBA. I want to draft him as a SF.


I'm the opposite, if we drafted him my plan would be to make him a future PF. I don't like him at the 3 because he won't have the footspeed advantage he does at the 4, his perimeter game is good for a PF but not for a SF, his athleticism is more based on fluidity than explosiveness. I don't like him as an off the dribble/isolation type player at all, I see him as a pick and roll big like a more athletic David West or a Beasley if he knew how to set screens and play off the ball.


I think if guys like Beasley & JJ can play the 3, so can Derrick Williams. He's not gonna lock guys down but you can best your ass he'll work hard. We just need another defender beside Ed in the paint and our front line would be scary.


Beasley's not a very good 3 though. Can't defend and all he does it take a lot of shots offensively. They'd be much better off with a 3ball guy offensively or a defensive guy who doesn't hit 3s. Beasley doesn't help on either end. I still think Beasley is much better off as a 4 long term where he spaces the floor more than most, presents a mismatch with his handles, and isn't as much a defensive disaster. He just needs to learn how to play the pick and roll
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#80 » by Rhettmatic » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:43 pm

Also, this:

Craig (Braintree MA)

After Kyrie, who would the Wolves be most interested in come draft day?

Chad Ford (1:42 PM)

Harrison Barnes. I also think you could see them grab another point if they can't get Irving. Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker are both possibilities. They also like the Jimmer.


Why in the world would the Wolves be looking for another point guard when they're apparently finally going to bring over Rubio next year?
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