Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[Dr Positivity]

I was thinking about a thread in the draft forum, is that what this draft comes down to is 2 top 3 caliber guys and 13-15 #7 ones. Naturally we're likely to pick in the worst spot (3-5)

[fredericklove]

If we do take Kanter it will be nice knowing we have our center position locked up for years (hopefully).

And get Kabongo in '12 draft and we'll be set on every position except SF.

[SkywalkerAC]

i have a hunch that Kanter's athleticism will surprise people. Kevin Love worked on his vertical leap leading up to the draft, knowing it would be tested. Kanter has had all year to focus on his training and has been with Grover for a while now. Don't be surprised if his max vert is over 30". He's not some lumbering 7 footer either, I think he'll test fine on speed and agility. He's also had eons to work on his shooting, which is why he'll opt for solo workouts where the jumpshot is the number one skill on display.

[fredericklove]

I think even if he has good athleticism it wouldn't matter a whole lot since his game isn't based on that element but like you said he'll be fine on speed and agility, and if u say his athleticism would surprise ppl I say his mobility could surprise ppl too. We really need an active big man instead of someone that's stationary and not doing anything at all. He would look really good in pick and pops situation too which I like. His jumpshot definitely looks good but I really want to see him strive on those shot fake skills which he seems to do well in the paint but I don't know if he can use that effectively against the elite big men in the nba. But I can't wait to see him in workouts if we don't get top 2.

[SkywalkerAC]

if al horford can get his shot off in the nba (and he can) i have little doubt that kanter can do the same, and then some. starting to buy in that inside-out players of enes' calibre are worth their weight in gold.

virtually every player i can think of that compares to kanter has had success in the nba. if you've got the body, the mind, shooting/scoring prowess, and rebounding ability, it seems like 9 times out of 10, you're going to have a solid career. even small guys like David West can have staggering success with these basic attributes.

there is very little doubt in my mind that Kanter will be the BPA unless we fall from 3rd.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

i have a hunch that Kanter's athleticism will surprise people. Kevin Love worked on his vertical leap leading up to the draft, knowing it would be tested. Kanter has had all year to focus on his training and has been with Grover for a while now. Don't be surprised if his max vert is over 30". He's not some lumbering 7 footer either, I think he'll test fine on speed and agility. He's also had eons to work on his shooting, which is why he'll opt for solo workouts where the jumpshot is the number one skill on display.

Not a chance in hell that his vert is 30" You gotta be cray! more like 25" tops

[Reignman]

i have a hunch that Kanter's athleticism will surprise people. Kevin Love worked on his vertical leap leading up to the draft, knowing it would be tested. Kanter has had all year to focus on his training and has been with Grover for a while now. Don't be surprised if his max vert is over 30". He's not some lumbering 7 footer either, I think he'll test fine on speed and agility. He's also had eons to work on his shooting, which is why he'll opt for solo workouts where the jumpshot is the number one skill on display.

Not a chance in hell that his vert is 30" You gotta be cray! more like 25" tops

I'm pretty sure you never thought Kevin Love could jump 35" before the combine.

[Rhettmatic]

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/2011/0 ... blame.html

Hey!!!!!

Raptors news!

Certainly not earth-shattering and not the kind of news I presume some of you were hoping for but they are up to some stuff and it’s all got to do with draft preparation.

A handful of them are in Barcelona this weekend for the EuroLeague Final Four – with scouting side trips to a couple of other European countries planned – and there’s stuff on this side of the pond, too.

The Nets, Knicks and Houston are hosting a mass workout this weekend in Jersey that a handful of Raptors coaches will be at and there’s another gang workout in Kentucky on Monday that a bunch of ‘em will take in.

Now, before anyone gets excited, none of the guys they’re likely to draft are going to be any of these sessions but it will give them a look at some guys they might want to take a shot at with second round picks.

[ATLTimekeeper]

i have a hunch that Kanter's athleticism will surprise people. Kevin Love worked on his vertical leap leading up to the draft, knowing it would be tested. Kanter has had all year to focus on his training and has been with Grover for a while now. Don't be surprised if his max vert is over 30". He's not some lumbering 7 footer either, I think he'll test fine on speed and agility. He's also had eons to work on his shooting, which is why he'll opt for solo workouts where the jumpshot is the number one skill on display.

Not a chance in hell that his vert is 30" You gotta be cray! more like 25" tops

25 is basically the worst recorded max vert in measurement history for bigs. Diop had a 25. I bet he comes closer to 30 as well. But really it doesn't matter. He's going to be big, strong and tough enough to hold his position under the basket, and he's skilled enough to put the ball in the net.

[Indeed]

if al horford can get his shot off in the nba (and he can) i have little doubt that kanter can do the same, and then some. starting to buy in that inside-out players of enes' calibre are worth their weight in gold.

virtually every player i can think of that compares to kanter has had success in the nba. if you've got the body, the mind, shooting/scoring prowess, and rebounding ability, it seems like 9 times out of 10, you're going to have a solid career. even small guys like David West can have staggering success with these basic attributes.

there is very little doubt in my mind that Kanter will be the BPA unless we fall from 3rd.

No, Horford can't, and he complaints it before.
Horford said he is a PF.

And of course you can think of all those successful case, because no one really mention those who failed.

[God Squad]

If we do take Kanter it will be nice knowing we have our center position locked up for years (hopefully).

And get Kabongo in '12 draft and we'll be set on every position except SF.

I don't get all the hype about Kabongo. He didn't seem that good too me. Same with Austin Rivers. Overrated imo.

[MEDIC]

Kemba's efficiency is actually pretty good. 54 TS% and 30 PER with the amount of defensive focus on him is not bad

yeah, maybe low efficiency isn't correct, more like average efficiency. But that could be negatively impacted once he faces better competition in the pros. Again, we'll have to see just like every other prospect.

Kemba's speed, ball handling & ability to protect the ball will all translate well to the NBA. I think he'll get to the line at a high rate. That's why I like him.

I think with our lineup, he compliments it well. We have average to below average ball handlers at the 2/3 positions who can't really beat their man straight up off the dribble.

Kemba's the type if PG that can beat multiple defenders off the dribble & create havoc on whatever defensive set the opposition is using. We are simply too static & easy to defend right now. Having a PG like Kemba penetrating will cause the defense to rotate & send help defenders. It will open up a lot of shots for other players.

That's why I like Kemba much better for this team (over Knight). Knight is more of a perimeter oriented PG. Not a lot of penetration. A lot of long range bombs.

On the offensive side of the ball Knight reminds me of a chucking version of Calderon.....just without PG IQ & court vision.

[God Squad]

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/2011/05/is-it-a-matter-of-credit-or-blame.html

Hey!!!!!

Raptors news!

Certainly not earth-shattering and not the kind of news I presume some of you were hoping for but they are up to some stuff and it’s all got to do with draft preparation.

A handful of them are in Barcelona this weekend for the EuroLeague Final Four – with scouting side trips to a couple of other European countries planned – and there’s stuff on this side of the pond, too.

The Nets, Knicks and Houston are hosting a mass workout this weekend in Jersey that a handful of Raptors coaches will be at and there’s another gang workout in Kentucky on Monday that a bunch of ‘em will take in.

Now, before anyone gets excited, none of the guys they’re likely to draft are going to be any of these sessions but it will give them a look at some guys they might want to take a shot at with second round picks.

Seems like ever year imo. But yeah It's good to see that Colangelo and the staff are overseas scouting. I do hope they get that second pick. I also hope its "NOT" in the second round. I'm not sure how many good second round talents are out there.

Let say Raps got another pick in the late lotto/second round. Who would you guys like to see on the roster?

[Reignman]

Kemba's efficiency is actually pretty good. 54 TS% and 30 PER with the amount of defensive focus on him is not bad

yeah, maybe low efficiency isn't correct, more like average efficiency. But that could be negatively impacted once he faces better competition in the pros. Again, we'll have to see just like every other prospect.

Kemba's speed, ball handling & ability to protect the ball will all translate well to the NBA. I think he'll get to the line at a high rate. That's why I like him.

I think with our lineup, he compliments it well. We have average to below average ball handlers at the 2/3 positions who can't really beat their man straight up off the dribble.

Kemba's the type if PG that can beat multiple defenders off the dribble & create havoc on whatever defensive set the opposition is using. We are simply too static & easy to defend right now. Having a PG like Kemba penetrating will cause the defense to rotate & send help defenders. It will open up a lot of shots for other players.

That's why I like Kemba much better for this team (over Knight). Knight is more of a perimeter oriented PG. Not a lot of penetration. A lot of long range bombs.

On the offensive side of the ball Knight reminds me of a chucking version of Calderon.....just without PG IQ & court vision.

The funny thing is that Bayless sounds like a nice balance between Knight/Walker and I think his court vision is better than both as well.

Thoughts?

[God Squad]

if al horford can get his shot off in the nba (and he can) i have little doubt that kanter can do the same, and then some. starting to buy in that inside-out players of enes' calibre are worth their weight in gold.

virtually every player i can think of that compares to kanter has had success in the nba. if you've got the body, the mind, shooting/scoring prowess, and rebounding ability, it seems like 9 times out of 10, you're going to have a solid career. even small guys like David West can have staggering success with these basic attributes.

there is very little doubt in my mind that Kanter will be the BPA unless we fall from 3rd.

No, Horford can't, and he complaints it before.
Horford said he is a PF.

And of course you can think of all those successful case, because no one really mention those who failed.

I do remember Horford saying how he wants management to get a "C" so he could move to his natural position. Or maybe It was Al Horfords father? Dose anyone remember?

[Reignman]

His father said it but I'm pretty sure he only said it because he son feels that way as well.

[Indeed]

Kemba's efficiency is actually pretty good. 54 TS% and 30 PER with the amount of defensive focus on him is not bad

yeah, maybe low efficiency isn't correct, more like average efficiency. But that could be negatively impacted once he faces better competition in the pros. Again, we'll have to see just like every other prospect.

Kemba's speed, ball handling & ability to protect the ball will all translate well to the NBA. I think he'll get to the line at a high rate. That's why I like him.

I think with our lineup, he compliments it well. We have average to below average ball handlers at the 2/3 positions who can't really beat their man straight up off the dribble.

Kemba's the type if PG that can beat multiple defenders off the dribble & create havoc on whatever defensive set the opposition is using. We are simply too static & easy to defend right now. Having a PG like Kemba penetrating will cause the defense to rotate & send help defenders. It will open up a lot of shots for other players.

That's why I like Kemba much better for this team (over Knight). Knight is more of a perimeter oriented PG. Not a lot of penetration. A lot of long range bombs.

On the offensive side of the ball Knight reminds me of a chucking version of Calderon.....just without PG IQ & court vision.

I definitely like Kemba more than Knight, however, we also need Kanter and his personality.
We are stacked at the PG/SG spot, so it makes sense to add a C, unless we trade away Calderon and another guard.

[Indeed]

if al horford can get his shot off in the nba (and he can) i have little doubt that kanter can do the same, and then some. starting to buy in that inside-out players of enes' calibre are worth their weight in gold.

virtually every player i can think of that compares to kanter has had success in the nba. if you've got the body, the mind, shooting/scoring prowess, and rebounding ability, it seems like 9 times out of 10, you're going to have a solid career. even small guys like David West can have staggering success with these basic attributes.

there is very little doubt in my mind that Kanter will be the BPA unless we fall from 3rd.

No, Horford can't, and he complaints it before.
Horford said he is a PF.

And of course you can think of all those successful case, because no one really mention those who failed.

I do remember Horford saying how he wants management to get a "C" so he could move to his natural position. Or maybe It was Al Horfords father? Dose anyone remember?

And Zaza was the one who matched up with Howard the most in the series.

[MEDIC]

The funny thing is that Bayless sounds like a nice balance between Knight/Walker and I think his court vision is better than both as well.

Thoughts?

Yeah, I agree with this. That's why I'd just rather stick with Bayless. Bayless doesn't seem to have any real real glaring weaknesses on either side of the floor.

- Can shoot the 3 as a spot up shooter off the ball at an acceptable %
- Good shooting %
- Good FT %
- Comfortable playing with the ball & playing off the ball
- Can get by his defender & get to the rim (Similar to Kemba)
- Draws fouls at a high rate (Similar to Kemba)
- Good turnover rate for an offensive PG
- Can stay in front of him man defensively (Similar to Knight & Kemba)
- Has good size/ strength for a PG (Similar to Knight)
- Intense competitor (Similar to Kemba & Knight)
- Hard worker (Similar to Knight)
- Vocal on the floor (Similar to Kemba)
- Already has NBA experience
- Already has some chemistry with teammates
- Already feels at home & likes the city

Bayless just needs to put the time in to figure out when to use his offensive capability to draw defenders/ set up teammates & when to use it to score. Knight & Walker have the same problem.

With his scoring capability, if he is able to eventually average approx 7 apg or more, I'd be very happy with that.

17-18ppg, approx 7 apg, & acceptable defensive capability = one of the better PG's this franchise has ever had.

Having said that, if we drop to 5th & it's clear that Kemba (or Knight) is the BPA, I have no problem with the Raptors drafting him, trading Calderon & letting him battle it out with Bayless for the starting PG position.

[gerrit4]

I'm not really on the Kemba bandwagon - to be honest he's around 6 or 7 on my draft board.

But I must say, watching the Bulls this year you can really see the difference it makes to have a guy that runs back for d on every fast break, hustles for every loose ball, pressures every player with the ball, and so on. It's obviously ridiculous to compare a 6'0 pg to a seven foot Noah, but it's amazing the effect those plays have outside of the box score. They make the opposing team hesitate, and have a harder time getting easy buckets. I can see Kemba's upside being one of those guys - a mediocre stats PG that wins, and is effective despite those stats.