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dagger wrote:My position on the talks, which is pro-owner, stems from our experiences here in Toronto.
When I think of all the stranded money we've had to put up with - Hakeem, Zo, Murray, Rose, Alvin, Yogi - it cripples a franchise and the paying customers and other fans suffer more than the owners. During the Babcock years, shortly after the Carter trade, we had literally 50% of our salary cap allocated to permanently disabled (or so they claimed) players like Zo, or to egregiously overpaid players like Rose. There has to be a way to get rid of this, which has had me thinking about regular amnesties where a player might get, say, 75 cents on the remaining dollars and be free to sign as a free agent to make some of that up. For regular amnesties to occur, players would have to make overall concessions so teams can fund the writeoffs.
NEW YORK -- The latest round of NBA bargaining talks began Friday morning with a flood of about 40 players into the meeting in midtown Manhattan wearing identical gray T-shirts over their street clothes. The message, in bold yellow type beneath a silhouette of multiple players standing shoulder-to-shoulder on the front: "STAND / 2011 NBPA Summer Meeting NYC."
With the threat of a lockout looming once the current collective bargaining agreement expires Thursday, it was important to the players both to express their togetherness and to actually attend a session in the process of proposals and counter-proposals that will decide their professional fates.
"The message is just solidarity," said Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association.
That's what STAND meant when the day began. Nearly five hours later, as owners, players, lawyers and staffers scattered for the weekend, it might have been shorthand for:
Still Talking, Although No Deal.
Visceral wrote:Can someone fill me in because I'm clueless.
If there is a lockout, is there a very good chance we still play 45 games or something? Or is there a good possibility no games at all are played?
I'm confused on this. And when would it start/end?
DG88 wrote:Update on CBA talks
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_t ... ef:nbahpt2NEW YORK -- The latest round of NBA bargaining talks began Friday morning with a flood of about 40 players into the meeting in midtown Manhattan wearing identical gray T-shirts over their street clothes. The message, in bold yellow type beneath a silhouette of multiple players standing shoulder-to-shoulder on the front: "STAND / 2011 NBPA Summer Meeting NYC."
With the threat of a lockout looming once the current collective bargaining agreement expires Thursday, it was important to the players both to express their togetherness and to actually attend a session in the process of proposals and counter-proposals that will decide their professional fates.
"The message is just solidarity," said Billy Hunter, executive director of the National Basketball Players Association.
That's what STAND meant when the day began. Nearly five hours later, as owners, players, lawyers and staffers scattered for the weekend, it might have been shorthand for:
Still Talking, Although No Deal.
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/06/24/asch ... ef:nbahpt1
ayo_23 wrote:If there is no season at all and it goes straight to the draft... and assuming they use the records of the past 3 seasons to create the new draft lottery... It would be like this...
1. Minnesota
2. Sacramento
3. Washington
4. New Jersey
5. LA Clippers
6. Golden State
7. Toronto
8. Detroit
9. New York
10. Indiana
11. Philadelphia
12. Memphis
13. Charlotte
14. Milwaukee
Seeing this... i hope there's a shortened season.
ayo_23 wrote:If there is no season at all and it goes straight to the draft... and assuming they use the records of the past 3 seasons to create the new draft lottery... It would be like this...
1. Minnesota
2. Sacramento
3. Washington
4. New Jersey
5. LA Clippers
6. Golden State
7. Toronto
8. Detroit
9. New York
10. Indiana
11. Philadelphia
12. Memphis
13. Charlotte
14. Milwaukee
Seeing this... i hope there's a shortened season.
MinnyMo wrote:ayo_23 wrote:If there is no season at all and it goes straight to the draft... and assuming they use the records of the past 3 seasons to create the new draft lottery... It would be like this...
1. Minnesota
2. Sacramento
3. Washington
4. New Jersey
5. LA Clippers
6. Golden State
7. Toronto
8. Detroit
9. New York
10. Indiana
11. Philadelphia
12. Memphis
13. Charlotte
14. Milwaukee
Seeing this... i hope there's a shortened season.
They should just use this years current order, except make it so Clippers, Cleveland and Washington can't win the lottery after winning it already
dagger wrote:Too Late Crew wrote:The players are going to need to take less, the weathiest teams are going to have to make a little less $ to share out to some other teams. Its really as simple as though 2 things
You're dead on. But getting from here to there won't be easy. Nobody will make big moves until it begins to hurt. That won't happen until owners have arena and staff bills to pay with no revenue coming in and players miss a pay cheque. That means October
RapsFanInOhio wrote:Everyone is worked up about July 1st, but the owners don't have to lock out the players yet. I don't know that they'll even lock them out - we could just see the owners push to get a deal done. The players seem to want to negotiate too since many of them showed up today. That's encouraging.
Too Late Crew wrote:dagger wrote:Too Late Crew wrote:The players are going to need to take less, the weathiest teams are going to have to make a little less $ to share out to some other teams. Its really as simple as though 2 things
You're dead on. But getting from here to there won't be easy. Nobody will make big moves until it begins to hurt. That won't happen until owners have arena and staff bills to pay with no revenue coming in and players miss a pay cheque. That means October
Ah but owners are not in the same positon as players. The owners do have income even if there is a lockout. The TV contracts provide revenue even if the season doesn't start on time. Season ticket sales/box leases provide revenue (although they may need to refund later. Depending on the team owners may own the arena and be able to offset lost revenue by getting other users. Revenue from sales of NBA products are still coming in.
The other big difference is that not only do owners have some although greatly reduced) revenues while most players (other than stars with big endorsment contracts) have none..but owners have greatly reduced expenses. Player salaries are a huge portion of their cost there are more than a few teams that will lose less money or make more money with the players locked out. If you were losing $ to start and now all of a sudden you are free of 60 M worth of player salary and a lot of other costs you are actully better off (although that isn't sustainable forever)
The rank and file players on the other hand have 0 revenue since basketbll is their only source of income. Their expenses don't go down during the lockout..actually they go up slightly since they don't have per diem, access to team services 9doctors trainers etc). Many of these guys have no savings.
You are right no one will make a big move until it hurts but it will hurt players a lot sooner than owners.