Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread

[Reignman]

Had he stayed in Barnes probably would've been in the discussion for the #1 in this draft.

Anyway, glad to see many people share the same feeling about him being a top pick next year, glad I didn't jump off the bandwagon.

Also, someone mentioned it and I completely agree that Perry Jones might be another guy that's a potential top pick next year.

[CanadaB-Ball]

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Huge fan.

Like bboyskinnylegs said, although I prefer Myck, Teague and Wroten are pretty good consolation prizes.

[bboyskinnylegs]

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[SwiftyV]

this

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I heard somewhere that Tony posted this on his Facebook page a few days ago.

Just got measured at 6'6.5'' w/out shoes and 6'8'' with shoes. Weighed in at 204 lbs.

Buy or Sell?

I'm selling it. He measured out 6'5" in shoes at the Nike Hoop Summit. I have a hard time believing he grew 3 inches in 2 months.

But if in fact he did grow 3 in., he can be a special player.

Sell. I've seen him play about 4 times and he's probably TOPS 6'5.

[Silk Wilkes]

I'm hoping Bryan gets at least one more lottery pick in this draft, but I have doubts about it. He doesn't seem to want to work in order to add more picks, there's always an excuse after tons of rumours. I'm sold on Wroten as a second pick, and if we can come out of this draft with our Small Forward and Point Guard of the future, not only is the team sitting pretty, but so is Bryan.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'm hoping Bryan gets at least one more lottery pick in this draft, but I have doubts about it. He doesn't seem to want to work in order to add more picks, there's always an excuse after tons of rumours. I'm sold on Wroten as a second pick, and if we can come out of this draft with our Small Forward and Point Guard of the future, not only is the team sitting pretty, but so is Bryan.

with regards to a second pick, I think the asking price is simply too high for the kind of trade assets we have. Sure, you can trade DeMar or Ed for a pick, but what's the point in doing that. The only other guy that appears to have enough value to land a pick is Bargs, and we don't know if his contract is too big for other teams, or if it's simply just a case of BC not wanting to move him (or both). I agree though, landing a SF/PG combo with some of the lotto talent in this upcoming draft would look very promising for us.

Jonas
Ed
(Gilchrist/Miller/Barnes/Jones/A.Thomas/Nash/the other Jones)
DeMar
(Kabongo/Teague/Wroten)

looks like a very promising team to move forward with (especially if we also manage to retain James Johnson, Jerryd Bayless, and Amir).

It's too early to tell now, but next year *might* be a year where it's worth giving up a future 1st (with some protection) to either move up, or acquire a pick outright.

[Silk Wilkes]

I'm hoping Bryan gets at least one more lottery pick in this draft, but I have doubts about it. He doesn't seem to want to work in order to add more picks, there's always an excuse after tons of rumours. I'm sold on Wroten as a second pick, and if we can come out of this draft with our Small Forward and Point Guard of the future, not only is the team sitting pretty, but so is Bryan.

with regards to a second pick, I think the asking price is simply too high for the kind of trade assets we have. Sure, you can trade DeMar or Ed for a pick, but what's the point in doing that. The only other guy that appears to have enough value to land a pick is Bargs, and we don't know if his contract is too big for other teams, or if it's simply just a case of BC not wanting to move him (or both).

As much as I hate to say it, DeMar and Ed are expendable depending on where the pick is in the 2012 draft...don't even get me started on how expendable Bargnani is. But as for DeMar and Ed, if they can get you a pick each in next years draft lottery (assuming the draft sets up how it's looking right now), I think you pull the trigger. Imagine coming out with 3 guys from next year? Our core would arguably be one of the best depending on who we choose of course.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ really? I don't see anyone at PF or SG that I'd definitely rather have than DeMar or Ed at their positions. Bradley Beal is a decent prospect, as are Anthony Davis/Jared Sullinger, but I'll reserve judgement until we see them play this year (now that we have Jonas, I suppose a Jared/Jonas frontcourt could work, but there would have to be a lot of roster moves made to accomodate something like that, and frankly, I think there may be better prospects at SF/PG). I don't really see the point in using one of Ed/DeMar (at least at this point in time) to acquire a pick for one of those two, and if we're using the pick to address other needs, that's just addressing one hole on the roster by creating another imo (although if it came down to it I think it would be easier to move Ed than DeMar, since we have Amir ... and yes, I suppose Bargs as well)

[Silk Wilkes]

I see what you're saying but imagine moving both of them for 2 more picks in next years draft, which gives us 3 picks total. I'd say we'd have a top-5 pick and those other two better be top-10 or else we got robbed, so, 3 top-10 picks in 2012. Now imagine you come out with a combination like Barnes or Gilchrist (with our pick), then Wroten or Kabongo with another pick and Rivers or Beal with the last. To me that sets 4 positions for a LONG time in Raptorland barring injuries and/or busts. Now, all you have to do is go get a Power Forward either in free agency or the 2013 draft. What it does is it gives you more time, since all those guys would be up at once, plus you keep your depth since you don't deal your young bench players. So the Raptors set up like this going into 2012-13:

Wroten or Kabongo
Rivers or Beal
Barnes or Gilchrist
Bargnani (ugh)/Johnson
Valanciunas

Isn't that a thing of beauty? Of course, assuming that we find a new home for Bargs and a solid Power Forward to start while Amir comes off the bench.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I see what you're saying but imagine moving both of them for 2 more picks in next years draft, which gives us 3 picks total. I'd say we'd have a top-5 pick and those other two better be top-10 or else we got robbed, so, 3 top-10 picks in 2012. Now imagine you come out with a combination like Barnes or Gilchrist (with our pick), then Wroten or Kabongo with another pick and Rivers or Beal with the last. To me that sets 4 positions for a LONG time in Raptorland barring injuries and/or busts. Now, all you have to do is go get a Power Forward either in free agency or the 2013 draft. What it does is it gives you more time, since all those guys would be up at once, plus you keep your depth since you don't deal your young bench players. So the Raptors set up like this going into 2012-13:

Wroten/Kabongo
Rivers/Beal
Barnes/Gilchrist
Bargnani (ugh)/Johnson
Valanciunas

Isn't that a thing of beauty? Of course, assuming that we find a new home for Bargs and a solid Power Forward to start while Amir comes off the bench.

Why would we trade DeRozan for Beal/Rivers, when he looks like he'll be able to man the two-guard position for a long time? Yes, Beal and Rivers may have higher ceilings (although I don't like Rivers much), but it seems like a very lateral move.

Davis makes sense to a degree, as we have lots of depth at the power forward position. Still, the would be a last resort in my opinion.

[Silk Wilkes]

I'd prefer to get rid of Bargs, but I'm not sure what kind of value he holds in terms of draft picks. Also, Bryan is joined with Andrea at the hip.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I'd prefer to get rid of Bargs, but I'm not sure what kind of value he holds in terms of draft picks. Also, Bryan is joined with Andrea at the hip.

Yeah.

The only way I see us getting another lottery pick is by taking a really bad contract off a teams hands, like when Philadelphia was rumoured to be shopping the 2nd pick as long as the receiving team would take Brand off their hands.

Another way I can see it, is if a team has two picks in the lottery and we get a top-3 pick. We would then trade our pick for the two lottery picks. They (the other team) would have to have their eyes set on a certain player, but it seems like a possibility, or at least, one of the most viable.

[Silk Wilkes]

I'd prefer to get rid of Bargs, but I'm not sure what kind of value he holds in terms of draft picks. Also, Bryan is joined with Andrea at the hip.

Yeah.

The only way I see us getting another lottery pick is by taking a really bad contract off a teams hands, like when Philadelphia was rumoured to be shopping the 2nd pick as long as the receiving team would take Brand off their hands.

Another way I can see it, is if a team has two picks in the lottery and we get a top-3 pick. We would then trade our pick for the two lottery picks. They (the other team) would have to have their eyes set on a certain player, but it seems like a possibility, or at least, one of the most viable.

I'd give them Bargs for the first option and depending on how low in the lottery the picks were I might opt for the second 1 too. Just go all out, keep DeMar along with Ed and get 3 picks.

[fredericklove]

Had he stayed in Barnes probably would've been in the discussion for the #1 in this draft.

Anyway, glad to see many people share the same feeling about him being a top pick next year, glad I didn't jump off the bandwagon.

Also, someone mentioned it and I completely agree that Perry Jones might be another guy that's a potential top pick next year.

I'm thinking PJ will have the ball in his hand as a facilitator so we get to see how he does with it...but I wouldn't be surprised if his teammate gets a shot at the top pick tho lol.

For those who's unwilling to trade Ed/Demar...man, seriously? I'd trade them BOTH for 2 more picks if we have a chance to do so lol, we'll be set in every position (PG: Kabongo, SG: River/Beal, and SF: Barnes/Miller/Gilchrist/PJ3, PF: Andrea, C: Jonas)

[CanadaB-Ball]

Had he stayed in Barnes probably would've been in the discussion for the #1 in this draft.

Anyway, glad to see many people share the same feeling about him being a top pick next year, glad I didn't jump off the bandwagon.

Also, someone mentioned it and I completely agree that Perry Jones might be another guy that's a potential top pick next year.

I'm thinking PJ will have the ball in his hand as a facilitator so we get to see how he does with it...but I wouldn't be surprised if his teammate gets a shot at the top pick tho lol.

For those who's unwilling to trade Ed/Demar...man, seriously? I'd trade them BOTH for 2 more picks if we have a chance to do so lol, we'll be set in every position (PG: Kabongo, SG: River/Beal, and SF: Barnes/Miller/Gilchrist/PJ3, PF: Andrea, C: Jonas)

It's illogical in my opinion. Why trade two up and coming players, for two different ones? Yes, they MAY have the chance to be better, but that's taking an awful large risk when you consider that DeRozan, and to a certain extent, Davis, have showed that they are able to play in the NBA.

By the way, any lineup with Bargnani in it is not worth a smily face.

[fredericklove]

I'd prefer to get rid of Bargs, but I'm not sure what kind of value he holds in terms of draft picks. Also, Bryan is joined with Andrea at the hip.

Yeah.

The only way I see us getting another lottery pick is by taking a really bad contract off a teams hands, like when Philadelphia was rumoured to be shopping the 2nd pick as long as the receiving team would take Brand off their hands.

Another way I can see it, is if a team has two picks in the lottery and we get a top-3 pick. We would then trade our pick for the two lottery picks. They (the other team) would have to have their eyes set on a certain player, but it seems like a possibility, or at least, one of the most viable.

Trade Anthony Davis for Gilchrist and Kabongo....but I don't know tho, the top 12 prospects look to be equally talented in the draft tho, thats how crazy it is so I don't see team willing to offer 2 for 1 and I don't think there's consensus top pick that teams are willing to give up other picks to get...not like a John Wall or Blake Griffin or Kyrie Irving type of pick.

[TJ Quik]

He'd probably be a reach around wherever we end up picking, but I think Adonis Thomas would be a great fit for the Raps. Super athleticism and length for a wing, he can lock down SGs and SFs, while his shooting stroke has been improving by leaps and bounds. Watch this guy at Memphis next, I bet he shoots up draft boards...

And agree with those saying trading Derozan is a sideways move. One of Davis/Bargnani will be moved next year, but Derozan is in the discussion of best young shooting guard in the league...

[Silk Wilkes]

I pray to God someone takes Bargs for a 2012 lottery pick and a horrible contract.

Kabongo/Wroten
DeRozan
Barnes/Gilchrist/Miller
Davis
Valanciunas

Jizz.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I'd prefer to get rid of Bargs, but I'm not sure what kind of value he holds in terms of draft picks. Also, Bryan is joined with Andrea at the hip.

Yeah.

The only way I see us getting another lottery pick is by taking a really bad contract off a teams hands, like when Philadelphia was rumoured to be shopping the 2nd pick as long as the receiving team would take Brand off their hands.

Another way I can see it, is if a team has two picks in the lottery and we get a top-3 pick. We would then trade our pick for the two lottery picks. They (the other team) would have to have their eyes set on a certain player, but it seems like a possibility, or at least, one of the most viable.

Trade Anthony Davis for Gilchrist and Kabongo....but I don't know tho, the top 12 prospects look to be equally talented in the draft tho, thats how crazy it is so I don't see team willing to offer 2 for 1 and I don't think there's consensus top pick that teams are willing to give up other picks to get...not like a John Wall or Blake Griffin or Kyrie Irving type of pick.

That's what I said though.

I said that the other team would have to have their eye on a particular prospect, as that's the only way I could see a deal like that happening.

[fredericklove]

I'm thinking PJ will have the ball in his hand as a facilitator so we get to see how he does with it...but I wouldn't be surprised if his teammate gets a shot at the top pick tho lol.

For those who's unwilling to trade Ed/Demar...man, seriously? I'd trade them BOTH for 2 more picks if we have a chance to do so lol, we'll be set in every position (PG: Kabongo, SG: River/Beal, and SF: Barnes/Miller/Gilchrist/PJ3, PF: Andrea, C: Jonas)

It's illogical in my opinion. Why trade two up and coming players, for two different ones? Yes, they MAY have the chance to be better, but that's taking an awful large risk when you consider that DeRozan, and to a certain extent, Davis, have showed that they are able to play in the NBA.

By the way, any lineup with Bargnani in it is not worth a smily face.

What if Casey turns Bargnani into the dude we've always wanted ...well I know trading both Ed/Demar would be too much to handle, but like I mentioned in the first page of this thread and also many posters have mentioned it...trading one of the two (Ed) for another pick to fill out our SF and PG would be an ideal perfect situation. I doubt BC can pull off a trade to get another pick from Andrea trade, if BC can pull it off he should definitely earn another GM of the year award