Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread III

[bboyskinnylegs]

NEW YORK — Several league sources shot down the comments made by former NBA executive Dave Checketts that the NBA and the NBA Players Association have agreed to a new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

In an interview with ESPN-700 AM in Salt Lake City on Thursday, Checketts said he has been told that NBA owners and players have agreed to the framework for a 10-year CBA.

However, CSNNE.com spoke with two league sources that indicated Checkett's report was "not true."

"I wish he was right; hell, all of us wish he was right," said one source. "But the deal isn't done yet."

Both sides are still negotiating more than five hours after they started.

Checketts did not offer additional details of the deal.

In fact, he began to go into Deion Sanders circa 1990-mode, with some pretty sweet back-pedal skills.

"I guess I have to soften a little bit," Checketts said. "And say I'm not as clear as I was, but good things are happening."

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/ ... 739932-932

So even Checketts is backtracking and saying no it's not done

[J-Roc]

In fact, he began to go into Deion Sanders circa 1990-mode, with some pretty sweet back-pedal skills.

[Indeed]

When LeBron made The Decision to sign with Miami in the summer of 2010, for five years and $85 million, Zimbalist suggested that in a free market he could have commanded $30 to $40 million a year (which this off-season in baseball will be known as Albert Pujols money).

http://www.sportsnet.ca/magazine/2011/1 ... underpaid/

Long long long article, I didn't finish reading it, cause I need to go.
Please delete this if this is already posted (its from the Sportsnet Magazine, so some people might already read it).

[Reignman]

Man, I hope they come out of this meeting and say no deal in place, we now go to a hard cap model. That would be music to my ears.

TBH, just burn the season, I couldn't give a rats ass about this season anyway.

[Ponchos]

We'll get a better pick if the season is played.

[Reignman]

You could've put this in the CBA thread.

BTW, your title is very misleading. It should be "5% of the league (stars) is underpaid, everyone else is killing it!"

[floppymoose]

If we burn the season the players will decertify.

[Ponchos]

Man, I hope they come out of this meeting and say no deal in place, we now go to a hard cap model. That would be music to my ears.

TBH, just burn the season, I couldn't give a rats ass about this season anyway.

There's just no way in hell that happens.

[5DOM]

I am going to merge this thread with the CBA thread.
And Reignman makes a good point.

[J-Roc]

Yeah right, and a couple of years ago rumours were these guys could make $30M playing in debt ridden Greece.

[Reignman]

If we burn the season the players will decertify.

LOL, just like when they said they'd decertify if they had to go below 53%? Or just like when they said it if they had to go below 52.5%? Or maybe the drop dead amount of 51%?

They've agreed to 50% already, they've given up. That's the part you're not getting, it's like fishing Pike, they fight and fight and fight and eventually they give up.

Decertification my ass. If they were going to decertify they would've done it already.

[J-Roc]

TBH, just burn the season, I couldn't give a rats ass about this season anyway.

That's the thing. We have no Jonas. And the Heat would get another shot to win it all. I am honestly not able to sit here and "cheer" for the season. Not unless it's a crazy new CBA which makes this season more interesting for the Raps.

[Ponchos]

TBH, just burn the season, I couldn't give a rats ass about this season anyway.

That's the thing. We have no Jonas. And the Heat would get another shot to win it all. I am honestly not able to sit here and "cheer" for the season. Not unless it's a crazy new CBA which makes this season more interesting for the Raps.

Join Tanknation. You get much more realistic things to cheer for and feel good about.

[Reignman]

Man, I hope they come out of this meeting and say no deal in place, we now go to a hard cap model. That would be music to my ears.

TBH, just burn the season, I couldn't give a rats ass about this season anyway.

There's just no way in hell that happens.

You really haven't been paying attention have you? The owners started at 47% with a hard cap flex model. Since then they made it seem they were going to give up quite a bit on their stance but look at where we are now: 50% with a punitive lux tax with a smaller MLE. They aren't very far from where they started and the longer this goes the closer it gets to that starting point.

The longer this goes the closer it gets to that starting point. Those are just the facts.

[Ponchos]

Man, I hope they come out of this meeting and say no deal in place, we now go to a hard cap model. That would be music to my ears.

TBH, just burn the season, I couldn't give a rats ass about this season anyway.

There's just no way in hell that happens.

You really haven't been paying attention have you? The owners started at 47% with a hard cap flex model. Since then they made it seem they were going to give up quite a bit on their stance but look at where we are now: 50% with a punitive lux tax with a smaller MLE. They aren't very far from where they started and the longer this goes the closer it gets to that starting point.

The longer this goes the closer it gets to that starting point. Those are just the facts.

What? No.

With the deal being so close, there is no possible way they blow it all up. If they don't take the deal on the table (50-50) they're losing millions and millions that they will not get back by simply going to 47%. Blowing up the season is not viable anymore.

If the players were stuck at 57%, then yeah, they'd blow it up. Right now it makes NO economic sense and therefore it will not happen.

[bboyskinnylegs]

two guys just walked across the stage.

I really like this music.

[Reignman]

You really haven't been paying attention have you? The owners started at 47% with a hard cap flex model. Since then they made it seem they were going to give up quite a bit on their stance but look at where we are now: 50% with a punitive lux tax with a smaller MLE. They aren't very far from where they started and the longer this goes the closer it gets to that starting point.

The longer this goes the closer it gets to that starting point. Those are just the facts.

What? No.

With the deal being so close, there is no possible way they blow it all up. If they don't take the deal on the table (50-50) they're losing millions and millions that they will not get back by simply going to 47%. Blowing up the season is not viable anymore.

If the players were stuck at 57%, then yeah, they'd blow it up. Right now it makes NO economic sense and therefore it will not happen.

You want to believe it won't happen.

How many times over the last 4 months have we heard "the deal is VERY close"? At least 3 or 4 times.

And what has happened after those talks fell apart? The deal got closer to the owners starting point.

What do you think will happen if these talks fall apart? The logical answer is the same thing that happened the last 3 or 4 times.


The owners know they have the players bent over and they will drag this on if they aren't happy, just watch.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Among the numerous NBA tweets I found a link to an article with this:

MURRAY, Utah (AP) — At 7-foot-6, former NBA center Shawn Bradley needs just about everything custom-made, from clothes and chairs to countertops and doorways.

Yet the Utah resident remained dumbfounded Thursday over why someone would steal a bike so large it is probably useless to anyone but him.

The road bike has an 80 centimeter carbon fiber-aluminum frame — about 50 percent larger than that for a normal-sized person. Trek never even included a serial number when it built the bicycle in 2006 because it is so unique.

"It's a stolen bike, not the end of the world," Bradley said from his home in Murray, about 10 miles south of Salt Lake City. "It's just kind of a weird story. It's not like I can go down to the bike shop and buy a new bike."

The bicycle, black with a "76" painted on the frame to denote Bradley's height, was taken Friday morning from a barn next to Bradley's gated home. Seven other bicycles used by his six children and wife weren't touched, nor were his boat, tools or even a $200 pair of Oakley sunglasses stuffed into his bicycle helmet.

Bradley could only guess someone grabbed the bike thinking it might fetch easy money at a pawn shop and maybe feed a drug habit. But he said the thief, or thieves, would have had to toss it into the back of a pickup or over a high fence.

"There's no way they could have ridden it away," he said. "It's kind of baffling. I think it will turn up."

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/nation ... 4625.story

Sucks for Shawn

[Ponchos]

You want to believe it won't happen.

How many times over the last 4 months have we heard "the deal is VERY close"? At least 3 or 4 times.

And what has happened after those talks fell apart? The deal got closer to the owners starting point.

What do you think will happen if these talks fall apart? The logical answer is the same thing that happened the last 3 or 4 times.


The owners know they have the players bent over and they will drag this on if they aren't happy, just watch.

Drag out is different than season gone. Cancelled season is not going to happen. This may go on a few more days so the owners feel they got the best they can, but there is no chance it's going nuclear.

[bboyskinnylegs]

lol the music makes this guy on stage look suspicious