Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[witnessraps]

If we happen to get the first pick and draft Anthony Davis, does that mean Bargs gotta go...because if Davis is such a blue chip prospect you can't be bringing him off the bench I imagine.

[Mister Ze]

Barnes & Rivers on this roster next season or die trying.

I don't know if getting a point guard who averages 2 assists per game is a good idea considering he's going to be playing with JV.

[Rapsfan07]

Barnes & Rivers on this roster next season or die trying.

I don't know if getting a point guard who averages 2 assists per game is a good idea considering he's going to be playing with JV.

Nah if I'm looking for a PG in the late first round, I'm going with Wroten or Kabongo. Marshall looks like Calderon with the shooting.

[gojoorange]

Barnes & Rivers on this roster next season or die trying.

I don't know if getting a point guard who averages 2 assists per game is a good idea considering he's going to be playing with JV.

Nah if I'm looking for a PG in the late first round, I'm going with Wroten or Kabongo. Marshall looks like Calderon with the shooting.

Kabongo all the way. I miss that drive and kick game we used to play with TJ.

[lilneige]

On the offensive end, Davis is a bit raw even he has some bases that can be developed. How will he developed offensively will depends on the team actually drafted him, and the development plan or the usage from that particular team.

[Laowai]

What if we got 2nd pick and we were approached by the Celtics because they wanted Drummond.
Offered Rondo and the 2 2012 picks they have for #2 spot and Bayless?
We could still get a SG & SF.

[Lucky26]

MKG. That is all.

[highness]

What if we got 2nd pick and we were approached by the Celtics because they wanted Drummond.
Offered Rondo and the 2 2012 picks they have for #2 spot and Bayless?
We could still get a SG & SF.

We already have a SG. His name is DeMar DeRozan.

[gojoorange]

What if we got 2nd pick and we were approached by the Celtics because they wanted Drummond.
Offered Rondo and the 2 2012 picks they have for #2 spot and Bayless?
We could still get a SG & SF.

We already have a SG. His name is DeMar DeRozan.

If we can draft Beal, I would happily slide DeMar over to the 3.

[Throwback24]

What if we got 2nd pick and we were approached by the Celtics because they wanted Drummond.
Offered Rondo and the 2 2012 picks they have for #2 spot and Bayless?
We could still get a SG & SF.

We already have a SG. His name is DeMar DeRozan.

Why do we care that we have DD? You draft the BPA when youre as bad as us and if it comes down to drafting another SG, may the best wing win.

[Marvin!]

What don't you like about him specifically, Marvin?

He is playing with some guys who look like they have given up on UConn because of the impending sanctions.

I like his 7'1" wingspan (pretty unmatched from a guard), coupled with an ability to stick jumpers right off a screen and roll, and a decent handle to boot.

I still would put him below Barnes, and about equal with Beal. I like MKG, but wonder if he is enough different from JJ to warrant starting both together.

A couple of threads ago (or maybe it was in the last one, can't remember) I ran a comparison of who he reminds me of most - Kerry Kittles. The similarities were almost uncanny. That's what I see him as - a Kerry Kittles. Starter, but not a star.

[CunningLinguist]

In fact there's a very good chance that Anthony Davis turns out exactly like Tyrus Thomas. They have very similar games in college. Thomas was a better athlete and they had similar length. This board was crawling over itself to get Tyrus Thomas if you remember. The level of man-crush on the board was out of control.

I see Anthony Davis with an upside of Marcus Camby and a downside of Tyrus Thomas. If you look at him objectively you'll agree.

Marcus Camby has had a very good NBA career and was similar in college to Anthony Davis. Remember he won the Wooden Award as the best player in college basketball.

They have similar length & size at the same age.

Camby's career has given him 4 All NBA defensive teams, 4x block leader, Defensive Player of the Year. He's averaged a double double for his entire career. This is Davis' upside, but not more than that.

Tyrus Thomas had tweener size, zero basketball IQ, and no basketball skills outside of being able to jump and block shots.

Davis has PF height, great basketball IQ, an improving mid-range jump shot, and ballhandling and passing skills. He also defends without fouling.

[baulderdash77]

Tyrus Thomas is 1" shorter than Anthony Davis and the same weight. They're going to have the same problems.

He really has no mid range game. He's shooting 27% on anything outside of dunks, lobs & transition. That's pretty terrible. He has no functional jump shot at an NBA level at this point or he wouldn't be shooting that low of a rate.

What happens in the NBA when he's going to be undersized (bulk wise) and he can't push everyone around and get deep position? It could be a complete disaster.

At this point he's an unpolished gem. Maybe he develops and then you have a Camby- very good defensive player who can contribute offensively. Maybe he doesn't develop and you have Tyrus Thomas.

I'm just saying Anthony Davis has a much more raw prospect than everyone here thinks. I don't know why there's so much resistance by the board on this point, it's not like he's our draft pick or we have a vested interest in his development.

[ty123]

Rivers/Beal/Miller/Lamb or Bust.

Tired of drafting bigs. Most high lottery bigs end up being busts usually.

[Kid Canada]

tyrus thomas is 6'8 WITH shoes. Davis looks at least 6'10.

[5DOM]

Tyrus Thomas is 1" shorter than Anthony Davis and the same weight. They're going to have the same problems.

He really has no mid range game. He's shooting 27% on anything outside of dunks, lobs & transition. That's pretty terrible. He has no functional jump shot at an NBA level at this point or he wouldn't be shooting that low of a rate.

What happens in the NBA when he's going to be undersized (bulk wise) and he can't push everyone around and get deep position? It could be a complete disaster.

At this point he's an unpolished gem. Maybe he develops and then you have a Camby- very good defensive player who can contribute offensively. Maybe he doesn't develop and you have Tyrus Thomas.

I'm just saying Anthony Davis has a much more raw prospect than everyone here thinks. I don't know why there's so much resistance by the board on this point, it's not like he's our draft pick or we have a vested interest in his development.

I actually agree with you and think he might struggle in his rookie season. He could probably benefit from staying in college another year.

[Saciid11]

Jeremy Lamb is our savior.

With the 7 to 14 pick he is alright... but with top 3 pick Davis, Barnes and take chance with Drummand

[Legal Non-Conforming]

Nobody ever said this about Thomas whose immaturity was a concern from the get go:

With all his many strengths, possibly the most encouraging thing about Davis' profile for a team holding the #1 overall pick is the way he approaches the game. Poised, mature and extremely even-keeled, he shows a terrific demeanor on the floor. He doesn't let his emotions get the best of him even in pressure-packed situations, which is amazing considering his background and how little experience he has in these settings. He also has a very good understanding of the game for such a “raw” big man, making smart passes, executing well on both ends of the floor, and usually playing within himself.

All this, combined with his reportedly excellent work ethic and character, should give teams a lot of confidence about his ability to improve on his weaknesses over time. He appears to be the type of player others enjoy playing with or coaching and looks to be the type of competitor that's willing to do whatever it takes to win games.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1mqADFxCy

Also, the 27% shooting percentage on jump shots is deceptive. He attempts about one jump shot per game on average.

He's only fifth in usage rate on his own Kentucky team in fact, being mostly relegated to living off the scraps created for him by others....He's arguably the most efficient offensive player in college basketball, converting an amazing 67% of his 2-point attempts (which ranks in the top 15 in our database in the past decade) and turning the ball over on just 9% of his possessions.

This whole debate reminds me of the Kyrie Irving--"he's only played 10 games"--debate.

[Al_Oliver]

I would take Barnes over Davis.

I see Marcus Camby with Davis as his best case scenario and we need a go to scorer. In fact, I'm not sure that Davis is going to be better than Val going forward and there's a very good chance he's not going to be as good. So I wouldn't pick him as a redundant piece when there's perfectly good options at other positions. It doesn't make sense at all to take Davis as a 1st overall pick.

I think Barnes is going to be an all-star quality SF and he can be our 1st option when we're a playoff team.

We will have a better team foundation with a lineup of Demar/Barnes/Bargnani/Val than Demar/?/Bargnani/Davis with Val coming off the bench maybe.

I like Barnes too, but this is flat out crazy. You might be the only one on the planet not taking Davis #1...

[Al_Oliver]

I think it is clear what we are going to take with our 1st round pick, so I am looking in the 2nd round pick, and hope we get more size from our big. I am hoping someone like Joshua Smith (UCLA) would be available, and hope to turn out to be Perkin type of defender.

I think this year we should grab a junior or senior that can come in and contribute right away. Definitely a scoring ability to boot. Draymond Green, DJO, Robbie Hummel, those types of guys who can proven they can score. No more Alabi types that are all prospects.

I like the idea, but not Hummel. He's blown his knee 2 or 3 years in a row...