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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#61 » by Indeed » Fri May 23, 2014 12:24 am

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JDR720 wrote:6-6 is good enough for a SF


Iggy plays small forward and he's 6'6 so I don't understand this whole debate that 6'6 is to small to play the small forward position.

Well if he can guard the big sf of the league eg Lebron, Durant etc, is a good playmaker, can shoot the 3 well, can create his own shot, get to the rim, sure.


His agility test is among the worst SF, I think even DeRozan is better than him.
If his lateral quickness isn't good enough, he may have trouble guarding perimeter players.
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Re: After Wiggins Who is the Best SF in the Draft 

Post#62 » by Indeed » Fri May 23, 2014 12:25 am

wfnshow316 wrote:After Wiggins Who is the Best SF in the Draft? On draftExpress they have Rodney Hood from Duke going 15 - is he the next best SF. Reason I ask is because it's possible to move up in this draft and if SF is who you are looking for it seems likely you could get him at 10, 13 or 15 (and those teams would probably trade back for the right price). Or would you target Stauskis as our top prospect - three point specialist of the bench (although I think that Ross is a better fit there)


Hood is SG, his wingspan is 6'8, which is around DeRozan's wingspan.
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Re: After Wiggins Who is the Best SF in the Draft 

Post#63 » by mappiah19 » Fri May 23, 2014 12:37 am

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wfnshow316 wrote:After Wiggins Who is the Best SF in the Draft? On draftExpress they have Rodney Hood from Duke going 15 - is he the next best SF. Reason I ask is because it's possible to move up in this draft and if SF is who you are looking for it seems likely you could get him at 10, 13 or 15 (and those teams would probably trade back for the right price). Or would you target Stauskis as our top prospect - three point specialist of the bench (although I think that Ross is a better fit there)


Hood is SG, his wingspan is 6'8, which is around DeRozan's wingspan.


Hood is not a SG.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#64 » by Ackshun » Fri May 23, 2014 12:46 am

Jabari is a 3.

Needs lots of work defensively at the 3 or the 4 though
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#65 » by for_tdot » Fri May 23, 2014 12:53 am

According to mynbadraft.com we are projected to draft Rodney Hood at 20. What do you guys think? Should we draft him if he is available? And will he fit with our team?
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#66 » by ballislife » Fri May 23, 2014 1:02 am

for_tdot wrote:According to mynbadraft.com we are projected to draft Rodney Hood at 20. What do you guys think? Should we draft him if he is available? And will he fit with our team?


He's a good shooter, but he gets blown by on D. He can't stay in front of his man. He's 6'8" with a 6'8" wingspan... decent size for a 3. On a defensive team, he doesn't provide much D if at all. He's a very good shooter though.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#67 » by raptor jesus » Fri May 23, 2014 1:08 am

for_tdot wrote:According to mynbadraft.com we are projected to draft Rodney Hood at 20. What do you guys think? Should we draft him if he is available? And will he fit with our team?


Not a fan. Not quick enough to beat his man off the bounce, won't be shooting over guards at the head of zones anymore, so I basically see him as a spot up shooter at the next level. He's weak, not especially long or athletic so he'll struggle defensively. In other words, I see him as a one-dimensional one-way player.
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Post#68 » by Undefeated » Fri May 23, 2014 1:32 am

Kid Canada wrote:You mention one game. As a duke fan I would have called Shelden Williams a very good tim protector not Parker... he was far from it.


You're comparing a PF/C to a SF playing out of position masquerading as a PF because Duke had no bigs. He blocked more shots than guys like Payne, Randle, McAdoo, Grant and wasn't far off from Vonleh despite playing out of position which is incredible for a SF. He has good anticipatory skills coming over from the weakside and challenging shots at the rim by talling up to cut off angles and that may not always show up on the stats sheet. There's plenty of games up on YouTube that you can watch to see it. If not then I'll just go through film and make a highlight.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#69 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri May 23, 2014 1:33 am

Hood looks to me as a guy who's gonna be a role player. Just come off the bench and shoot threes.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#70 » by Undefeated » Fri May 23, 2014 1:42 am

Indeed wrote:
for_tdot wrote:
Risk101 wrote:Iggy plays small forward and he's 6'6 so I don't understand this whole debate that 6'6 is to small to play the small forward position.

Well if he can guard the big sf of the league eg Lebron, Durant etc, is a good playmaker, can shoot the 3 well, can create his own shot, get to the rim, sure.


His agility test is among the worst SF, I think even DeRozan is better than him.
If his lateral quickness isn't good enough, he may have trouble guarding perimeter players.


The game of basketball is a reflexive sport where you read, anticipate and react. Going through a series of tests isn't going to determine how well a prospect will be defensively because these tests are pre-planned agility tests that you can practice to improve your score. Where as when playing defense you need perceptual skills and reactive agility because you're constantly trying to anticipate what the ball-handler is trying to do which is nothing like the box-agility test.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#71 » by MEDIC » Fri May 23, 2014 1:45 am

for_tdot wrote:According to mynbadraft.com we are projected to draft Rodney Hood at 20. What do you guys think? Should we draft him if he is available? And will he fit with our team?


I like Hood's game. The question is........is he a capable defender? If he is a capable defender (his athletic numbers suggest he can be), how do you get that out of him?

On the offensive side, he can shoot, dribble & pass. At minimum, he seems like he could be a decent bench scorer.
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Re: After Wiggins Who is the Best SF in the Draft 

Post#72 » by yt_boi » Fri May 23, 2014 2:09 am

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Kid Canada wrote:Jabari Parker lol

He said SF, not PF



Jabari is more a SF in my eyes. He can play a hybrid PF like Carmelo and Lebron, but his natural position is a Paul Pierce like SF.

Thats just not true. He played more mins at centre than he did at sf at duke.

His natual position is a stretch 4 but ppl want him to be a sf
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#73 » by HolyMage110 » Fri May 23, 2014 2:19 am

I dont think Hood can play D, he has the tools but just doesn't have the motor to do so.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#74 » by Dr Comeback » Fri May 23, 2014 2:21 am

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Kid Canada wrote:Parker wasn't really good at anything on defense. He never will be, I see him as a Jamal Mashburn/Glen Robinson type small forward.


Actually, he was an incredible weakside shot-blocker. Watch his road game against Clemson when he was challenging everything at the rim.



This is insane.


Jabari Parker is a train wreck defensively on and off the ball and you really need to reevaluate the amount of film you have watched to come to any other conclusion.

Throughout his entire year at Duke he showed a really concerning combo of bad fundamentals, poor condition,m lateral quickness, and inconsistent effort.

you are not an "incredible" weak side shot blocker if you constantly break the scheme to do it.


There were times where he was had no idea where he was supposed to be on help, times where he fell asleep ball watching and let his man cut back door, lots of blow bys, undisciplined hedges.


I mean, he was subbed out because of defense against MERCER.


MERCER.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#75 » by Undefeated » Fri May 23, 2014 2:23 am

Dr Comeback wrote:I mean, he was subbed out because of defense against MERCER.


I'm collecting plays right now as we speak from the games against Arizona and Clemson. Btw he was subbed out against Mercer because he was in foul trouble.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#76 » by Dr Comeback » Fri May 23, 2014 2:29 am

Undefeated wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:I mean, he was subbed out because of defense against MERCER.


I'm collecting plays right now as we speak from the games against Arizona and Clemson. Btw he was subbed out against Mercer because he was in foul trouble.



nope at the end it was defense.

I don't know how else to say it, he's horrific, James Harden bad really.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#77 » by Young_Buc » Fri May 23, 2014 2:52 am

Dr Comeback wrote:
Undefeated wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:I mean, he was subbed out because of defense against MERCER.


I'm collecting plays right now as we speak from the games against Arizona and Clemson. Btw he was subbed out against Mercer because he was in foul trouble.



nope at the end it was defense.

I don't know how else to say it, he's horrific, James Harden bad really.


Undeafeated is good with the analysis but he's had a hard on for Parker all season. I on the other hand despise players like his ilk. (Not just him, but McDermott, Hood really just those 3) He's presently 20 pounds overweight his handlers have said "its overblown, but Jabari isn't in NBA shape" which pretty much confirms it. Kid is L-A-Z-Y. Beasley without issues here we come.
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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#78 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri May 23, 2014 2:54 am

MEDIC wrote:
for_tdot wrote:According to mynbadraft.com we are projected to draft Rodney Hood at 20. What do you guys think? Should we draft him if he is available? And will he fit with our team?


I like Hood's game. The question is........is he a capable defender? If he is a capable defender (his athletic numbers suggest he can be), how do you get that out of him?

On the offensive side, he can shoot, dribble & pass. At minimum, he seems like he could be a decent bench scorer.


Absolutely not. Because small forward is a weak spot depth wise we shouldn't assume the draft is the answer. Remember Casey has been home schooling all these guys for a while so pretty sure he wants some vets. I'd support signing Wes Johnson to back up Ross. A back-up C draft pick might make most sense at 20 because there are good ones there. Capela as a small ball C and back-up PF, Porzingis - shot blocking, rim protection and floor spacer hint hint, McGary = all hustle and boards beast. Both Capela and Porzingis you might make a case for BPA as well.
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Post#79 » by Risk101 » Fri May 23, 2014 3:24 am

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Re: 2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th 

Post#80 » by Undefeated » Fri May 23, 2014 4:24 am

Dr Comeback wrote:Throughout his entire year at Duke he showed a really concerning combo of bad fundamentals, poor condition,m lateral quickness, and inconsistent effort.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6-Xpc2LKxg[/youtube]

The Good

5:29 - Jabari with the great help and rejection rotating off of Tarczewski to erase Hood’s mistake after biting on the pump fake.

7:52 - Hood “dies on the pick” forcing Jabari to step up and contain the ball. RHJ tries to get through the gap by splitting the hedge, but Jabari’s quick hands results in a clean strip.

8:45 - Cook goes under the ball screen and Jabari does a great job of discouraging and stopping the drive by showing his body directly in front of McConnell after he turns the corner coming off the screen. McConnell hits Ashley on the pop and he makes an unlikely 3-pointer. Good initial defense by Jabari to stop the drive.

23:32 - Another high ball screen action ran by 'Zona. This time the on-ball defender goes over the top of the screen. Jabari once again sits back to stop the ball-handler from driving down the “highway” after turning the corner. Because he’s low in his defensive stance with knees bent, chest up and back straight ready to move he forces McConnell to retreat his dribble taking away any gaps/seams that McConnell thought he might have. Excellent pick-&-roll defense.

27:55 - Jabari does a great job of fronting the post and forcing Mayes to over throwing the high arcing entry pass resulting in a turnover.

40:17 - Amazing recovery to get the block from behind on Tarczewski.

The Bad

4:43 - Poor defensive awareness from Jabari not hedging/stunting to buy Thornton time to recover off the back screen.

34:20 - Poor gamble to jump the passing lane for an improbable steal.

1:09:10 - Another poor gamble to jump the passing lane this time out of the 2-3 zone defense.

The Meh

9:16 - McConnell with the nasty hesitation and inside-out on Jabari. Because Jabari gets outside of his base of support with most of his weight on his left leg thinking initially McConnell was attacking baseline, but a bounce off and inside-out dribble gets Jabari off-balanced unable to change directions to recover back on the ball. Doesn’t have the explosive second bounce to contest Ashley.

19:28 - Dawkins abandons Gordon to double the ball which means Jabari needs to rotate over to Gordon and Matt Jones sinks down to cover Ashley. Jabari is a split second late rotating over giving up a dunk to Gordon.

20:00 - Zona runs a high middle pick-and-roll. Jones goes under the ball screen with Jabari sitting back/“up to touch” with the screen to prevent the drive once McConnell comes off the screen. Jabari is late to recover giving up the wide open mid-range jumper to Ashley that barely goes in.

48:58 - Jabari coming over from the weakside to contest RHJ. Doesn't time correctly jumping too early and gets beat by RHJ for the reverse.

There were more good than bad defensive plays from Jabari this game. For a sieve you'd expect more, but we saw otherwise. You're really stretching it if you think Jabari is as bad as Harden defensively. I feel like too many people are basing their analysis on DX's draft video which is where all this Jabari is bad defensively is coming from. I'll breakdown the game against Clemson and 'Cuse tmr.
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