Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

[RaptorsLife]

Of the four free agents - Lowry, Ibaka, Patterson and Tucker - the most that will come back is 2 and there is a possibility that none come back. With that possibility we can draft someone for the 905. If you consider that two are stretch PFs and one is a SF we will most likely draft a forward. Only Pascal and Bruno are currently our forwards of the younguns.

even if you draft a player for the 905 that player still counts as a roster spot on the raptors. now you have the pick, bruno, bebe, jakob, powell, fred, pascal, and delon. Most of your bench spots are now taken up by players that hardly play. It makes no sense to use that pick unless it's on a player that's staying in Europe or you plan to use a current player and the pick to get a higher pick thAt can possibly be a starter or a 6 man type of player.

I thought they were adding 1 more roster spot.

There adding 2 but masai kept talking about internal development because new cba makes it hard big trades. So dealing a draft pick makes no sense.

We traded Ross and first round pick for Ibaka and still got destroyed by cavs. Your not getting a star back for 23rd pick in the draft in a trade. No point. Cavs will still smack us

[Psubs]

It's a highlight reel so take it as such, but some of the moves he makes are absolutely elite! He seems like one of those Kentucky kids who under perform in college but breakout in the pros.

I really don't see elite anything there. One really nice drive at the 2:09 mark, and a couple of impressive pull up 3s. I think he could be a nice player, for sure, but seems like there's a lot he needs to work on. Lots of movement on his 3s. Good first step but didn't look like he picked up much speed or explosiveness in traffic. I know his combine scores made him look like an elite athlete, but I don't see it in the highlights (or in the games I watched). He looks like an above average athletic scorer with some tunnel vision, maybe like a Brandon Knight.

Frank Jackson is like John Wall as a ceiling.

[Psubs]

even if you draft a player for the 905 that player still counts as a roster spot on the raptors. now you have the pick, bruno, bebe, jakob, powell, fred, pascal, and delon. Most of your bench spots are now taken up by players that hardly play. It makes no sense to use that pick unless it's on a player that's staying in Europe or you plan to use a current player and the pick to get a higher pick thAt can possibly be a starter or a 6 man type of player.

I thought they were adding 1 more roster spot.

There adding 2 but masai kept talking about internal development because new cba makes it hard big trades. So dealing a draft pick makes no sense.

We traded Ross and first round pick for Ibaka and still got destroyed by cavs. Your not getting a star back for 23rd pick in the draft in a trade. No point. Cavs will still smack us

Maybe you find a Jimmy Butler or Paul George since it's a deep draft.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Frank Jackson kind of reminds me of Tony Parker, not as quick though with the ball, but probably more athletic.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It's a highlight reel so take it as such, but some of the moves he makes are absolutely elite! He seems like one of those Kentucky kids who under perform in college but breakout in the pros.

I really don't see elite anything there. One really nice drive at the 2:09 mark, and a couple of impressive pull up 3s. I think he could be a nice player, for sure, but seems like there's a lot he needs to work on. Lots of movement on his 3s. Good first step but didn't look like he picked up much speed or explosiveness in traffic. I know his combine scores made him look like an elite athlete, but I don't see it in the highlights (or in the games I watched). He looks like an above average athletic scorer with some tunnel vision, maybe like a Brandon Knight.

Frank Jackson is like John Wall as a ceiling.

I don't know about ceilings, but he's not even close to as fast or creative.

[OAKLEY_2]

Of the four free agents - Lowry, Ibaka, Patterson and Tucker - the most that will come back is 2 and there is a possibility that none come back. With that possibility we can draft someone for the 905. If you consider that two are stretch PFs and one is a SF we will most likely draft a forward. Only Pascal and Bruno are currently our forwards of the younguns.

even if you draft a player for the 905 that player still counts as a roster spot on the raptors. now you have the pick, bruno, bebe, jakob, powell, fred, pascal, and delon. Most of your bench spots are now taken up by players that hardly play. It makes no sense to use that pick unless it's on a player that's staying in Europe or you plan to use a current player and the pick to get a higher pick thAt can possibly be a starter or a 6 man type of player.

I thought they were adding 1 more roster spot.

Two spots on two way. 16 and 17. Completely wasted if Casey is running his guys 24-7.

[raptor jesus]

That's not the point. Plus Pau was actually an accomplished player as a super Euro Prospect. was Poeltl?
Brook Lopez was drafted 10th and can score 20 easily and now has a 3 on top of that, with that massive length of his. Poeltl is certainly not the next Brook Lopez.
What has Krystkowiak proved?

Most bigs from Europe get saddled with that comparison out of laziness - JV did as well.

And you're basing prospects on their coaches? Outside of Steph Curry, how many prospects has Bob Mckillop developed? Who was Lillard's coach at Weber State? PG's at Frenso State? Giannis' in Div 2 in Greece?

I dont think JV was ever called lazy. He was super high energy prospect. Motienas, Tomislav Zubcic, I would believe you.

No I meant he was compared to Gasol because those who were evaluating him were being lazy. They saw a tall, lanky Euro with some touch and threw out Pau as a comp.

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[iqbalpanchod]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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[BoyzNTheHood]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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Good player. His issue is if he's quick enough to guard 3's with his stocky build. Because he's not long enough to play anything except small ball 4. But I can see him peaking like Corey Maggette, or flopping like Joey Graham.

[HeadtopChunes]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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Good player. His issue is if he's quick enough to guard 3's with his stocky build. Because he's not long enough to play anything except small ball 4. But I can see him peaking like Corey Maggette, or flopping like Joey Graham.

He looked fine against the combine wing players. Here's what DX says

"Ojeleye certainly showed that he has value as a one-on-one perimeter defender thanks to his strong base, deep stance, quick feet (excellent agility scores), and effort level. He had no problem sliding with perimeter players and will be able to switch everything at the next level while having the strength to bang on the interior, although his 8'6 standing reach really limits him around the rim. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/ DraftExpress"

[iqbalpanchod]

Trading for an extra pick to grab OG would be a great idea as well. A line up of Bebe, Bruno, OG, Semi, and DeRozan would be a lengthy big line up with a lot of shooting. I have a feeling Bebe, OG, and even DeRozan can add it to their game. 3 point shooting and length is where the league is heading to. My personal opinion is the best way to defend the 3 is to get a lot of lengthy, quick, athletic guys. What do you guys think?

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[S ID]

Trading for an extra pick to grab OG would be a great idea as well. A line up of Bebe, Bruno, OG, Semi, and DeRozan would be a lengthy big line up with a lot of shooting. I have a feeling Bebe, OG, and even DeRozan can add it to their game. 3 point shooting and length is where the league is heading to. My personal opinion is the best way to defend the 3 is to get a lot of lengthy, quick, athletic guys. What do you guys think?

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Might be the worst shooting lineup of all time

[iqbalpanchod]

I believe they have the potential there. Not as the starting line up but spurts.

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[HeadtopChunes]

Trading for an extra pick to grab OG would be a great idea as well. A line up of Bebe, Bruno, OG, Semi, and DeRozan would be a lengthy big line up with a lot of shooting. I have a feeling Bebe, OG, and even DeRozan can add it to their game. 3 point shooting and length is where the league is heading to. My personal opinion is the best way to defend the 3 is to get a lot of lengthy, quick, athletic guys. What do you guys think?

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Idk man everyone besides Demar in that lineup is too inexperienced. OG isn't a great shooter.

I agree with your general idea tho. Defending teams like the Warriors you need atheltic guys that can switch whenever. Bruno might be a rotation player eventually. I don't see DeRozan becoming a shooter but I can see his passing and defense getting much better than it is now.

Bebe is interesting because he shows potential but he hit a wall. Bebe needs to get stronger or we get killed on the boards.

[OAKLEY_2]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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Good player. His issue is if he's quick enough to guard 3's with his stocky build. Because he's not long enough to play anything except small ball 4. But I can see him peaking like Corey Maggette, or flopping like Joey Graham.

He could be great or fans might be falling for the horse that looks best to place. When I watch his game clips he looks like Antoine Walker. Very much a power forward game but really no twitch as they say.

[BoyzNTheHood]

What about Semi? He's a hard worker, nba ready, strong, and can shoot the three at high volume and very good percentage. Projects won't work with Casey and he looks like someone the coach would respect. I see a lot of off ball potential from him.

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Good player. His issue is if he's quick enough to guard 3's with his stocky build. Because he's not long enough to play anything except small ball 4. But I can see him peaking like Corey Maggette, or flopping like Joey Graham.

He looked fine against the combine wing players. Here's what DX says

"Ojeleye certainly showed that he has value as a one-on-one perimeter defender thanks to his strong base, deep stance, quick feet (excellent agility scores), and effort level. He had no problem sliding with perimeter players and will be able to switch everything at the next level while having the strength to bang on the interior, although his 8'6 standing reach really limits him around the rim. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/ DraftExpress"

Yeah, but who's a dominant wing at the combine? You draft a guy like Semi to stay with guys like LeBron, KD, etc. I'm not sure there is anyone who imitates those styles at the combine.

[HeadtopChunes]

Good player. His issue is if he's quick enough to guard 3's with his stocky build. Because he's not long enough to play anything except small ball 4. But I can see him peaking like Corey Maggette, or flopping like Joey Graham.

He looked fine against the combine wing players. Here's what DX says

"Ojeleye certainly showed that he has value as a one-on-one perimeter defender thanks to his strong base, deep stance, quick feet (excellent agility scores), and effort level. He had no problem sliding with perimeter players and will be able to switch everything at the next level while having the strength to bang on the interior, although his 8'6 standing reach really limits him around the rim. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-combine-competitive-action-recap-day-two-5929/ DraftExpress"

Yeah, but who's a dominant wing at the combine? You draft a guy like Semi to stay with guys like LeBron, KD, etc. I'm not sure there is anyone who imitates those styles at the combine.

I don't think there are that many quality wings in this Draft especially at our range. I think only OG and Isaac can stay with LeBron and KD. Everyone else I severely doubt. Maybe Justin Jackson from Maryland but he's way too inconsistent to rely on. I think the appeal of Semi is as a replacement Caroll. His shooting is really attractive and his dunks are cool. But if we draft him it's not for defense.

[C_Money]

We're probably taking a PF since Ibaka and Patterson are free agents. Masai did this same thing a few years ago when he drafted Delon Wright because we had no backup PG.

[HeadtopChunes]

We're probably taking a PF since Ibaka and Patterson are free agents. Masai did this same thing a few years ago when he drafted Delon Wright because we had no backup PG.

He did it this year too as we had no backup C so he took Poetl. Rabb, Leaf , Hartenstein are all PFs I can see us taking. Maybe Lyndon but I have a bad feeling about him. I'd rather go for flexibility tho and grab a swingman forward. We already have Siakam

[Psubs]

We're probably taking a PF since Ibaka and Patterson are free agents. Masai did this same thing a few years ago when he drafted Delon Wright because we had no backup PG.

Siakam begs to differ! Dude started at PF to begin the season and he's gotten stronger. I was amazed to watch clips of a game at the end of the season and see how big he looked now.