Marc Gasol passing game

[Patman]

Darrywalker prove his point. Gasol will be gone by next season

Hit the showers. You're done for the night. And drop the troll act if/when you come back. Thanks.

[Boogie!]

JV stans making burner accounts now to post their nonsense.

Odd that people can't just admit that regardless of jv, gasol is on the decline and doesn't make us better. I said it from the time the trade was made, it only makes sense if we followed it up aggressively to acquire shooters, but instead we surrounded him with mccaw, Powell, OG... Failed trade on so many levels. At least we still have the saviour fvv.

But Gasol is starting and playing alongside 3 perimeter players who shoot 36%+ from 3 + Siakam who is shooting liek 45% from the corner 3.

Gasol definitely makes us better and provides us more playmaking when times get tough, we'll see the true benefit of that in the playoffs.

I hope so but the one complaint everyone had with jv was his defense. They said despite his offense, his defense didn't makeup for it.

Why aren't people saying the same for gasol? Despite his passing improvement over jv, does it make up for his lack of scoring and rebounsing presence? Is his defense even an improvement over jv? Since he's been here we've still gotten lit up by meiiocre teams and even struggled to beat a few of them.

The reason you make a trade like this is to improve the team. But all I've seen so far is a slight improvement in one aspect but a downgrade in another. I. E a lateral move.

[XxIronChainzxX]

Odd that people can't just admit that regardless of jv, gasol is on the decline and doesn't make us better. I said it from the time the trade was made, it only makes sense if we followed it up aggressively to acquire shooters, but instead we surrounded him with mccaw, Powell, OG... Failed trade on so many levels. At least we still have the saviour fvv.

But Gasol is starting and playing alongside 3 perimeter players who shoot 36%+ from 3 + Siakam who is shooting liek 45% from the corner 3.

Gasol definitely makes us better and provides us more playmaking when times get tough, we'll see the true benefit of that in the playoffs.

I hope so but the one complaint everyone had with jv was his defense. They said despite his offense, his defense didn't makeup for it.

Why aren't people saying the same for gasol? Despite his passing improvement over jv, does it make up for his lack of scoring and rebounsing presence? Is his defense even an improvement over jv? Since he's been here we've still gotten lit up by meiiocre teams and even struggled to beat a few of them.

The reason you make a trade like this is to improve the team. But all I've seen so far is a slight improvement in one aspect but a downgrade in another. I. E a lateral move.

You can’t really have a sensible discussion about Gasol’s game with the forum overrun by JV stans every time anything relating to a big man comes up. Hard to really have a chat about his performance.

[visionquest]

Wow can't have another opinion on Gasol v JV?

[Gold Dragon]

Odd that people can't just admit that regardless of jv, gasol is on the decline and doesn't make us better. I said it from the time the trade was made, it only makes sense if we followed it up aggressively to acquire shooters, but instead we surrounded him with mccaw, Powell, OG... Failed trade on so many levels. At least we still have the saviour fvv.

But Gasol is starting and playing alongside 3 perimeter players who shoot 36%+ from 3 + Siakam who is shooting liek 45% from the corner 3.

Gasol definitely makes us better and provides us more playmaking when times get tough, we'll see the true benefit of that in the playoffs.

I hope so but the one complaint everyone had with jv was his defense. They said despite his offense, his defense didn't makeup for it.

Why aren't people saying the same for gasol? Despite his passing improvement over jv, does it make up for his lack of scoring and rebounsing presence? Is his defense even an improvement over jv? Since he's been here we've still gotten lit up by meiiocre teams and even struggled to beat a few of them.

The reason you make a trade like this is to improve the team. But all I've seen so far is a slight improvement in one aspect but a downgrade in another. I. E a lateral move.

Gasol is a worse 1 vs 1 post defender than JV but a better perimeter defender and also a better inside defender on plays where positioning and anticipation is required over brute force and length. On plays where speed is required they are both equally bad.

This is the same on offense too. Any plays that require brute force and length, JV is superior, particularly in the post. But plays that are perimeter oriented, require decision making and positioning more than simple 1v1 or 2 man action, Gasol is the superior player.

Nurse and the rest of our starters have a clear preference for one type of player over the other, being Gasol. JV is also highly effective and useful but in more specific situations.

[Darknemo2000]

Gasol is a worse 1 vs 1 post defender than JV but a better perimeter defender and also a better inside defender on plays where positioning and anticipation is required over brute force and length. On plays where speed is required they are both equally bad.

Completely agree with you there though I would add that on perimeter the difference isnt very high sadly. Have seen Gasol being too late to react on step out as much as JV have been. Still his experience makes him somewhat better on perimeter D but not by a big margin sadly.

This is the same on offense too. Any plays that require brute force and length, JV is superior, particularly in the post. But plays that are perimeter oriented, require decision making and positioning more than simple 1v1 or 2 man action, Gasol is the superior player.

Nurse and the rest of our starters have a clear preference for one type of player over the other, being Gasol. JV is also highly effective and useful but in more specific situations.

Wholeheartedly agree. I would say that JV's ability to crash for offensive boards did help us on gaining a few extra positions. Not exactly an offensive skill but it help our guards and forwards shoot with more confidence knowing that if anything there is a high chance JV may grab that board after the miss.

Gasol gives us more on perimeter though, helps our offense flow better, but he isnt as reliable in the paint.

[Gntts]

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"Passing to the open man is bad and leads to misses" - RealGM

First, can someone from the stats-loving posters explain me how the FG% cited above is calculated?
To be more precise, I am interested in whether, when calculating FG%, only the assisted shots are taken into account, or the shots after the passes, which do not directly lead to a basket, are taken into account as well?

Second, a couple of questions, for those who have ever played basketball:

a) If you get a pass wide-open and shoot the ball, how much the final result - whether you hit or miss - depends on whom you received the ball from?
b) If the pass has not directly led to a basket (has not been counted as an assist), what an impact on the FG% this pass has made?

Third, if stating that one variable, e.g. x, makes greater impact than the other one, e.g. y, it is obligatory to provide the results for both variables (x and y) so the reader could compare them and ascertain whether the conclusion you have come to is correct or not.

Thank you in advance for the assistance.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Gasol is a worse 1 vs 1 post defender than JV but a better perimeter defender and also a better inside defender on plays where positioning and anticipation is required over brute force and length. On plays where speed is required they are both equally bad.

Completely agree with you there though I would add that on perimeter the difference isnt very high sadly. Have seen Gasol being too late to react on step out as much as JV have been. Still his experience makes him somewhat better on perimeter D but not by a big margin sadly.

This is the same on offense too. Any plays that require brute force and length, JV is superior, particularly in the post. But plays that are perimeter oriented, require decision making and positioning more than simple 1v1 or 2 man action, Gasol is the superior player.

Nurse and the rest of our starters have a clear preference for one type of player over the other, being Gasol. JV is also highly effective and useful but in more specific situations.

Wholeheartedly agree. I would say that JV's ability to crash for offensive boards did help us on gaining a few extra positions. Not exactly an offensive skill but it help our guards and forwards shoot with more confidence knowing that if anything there is a high chance JV may grab that board after the miss.

Gasol gives us more on perimeter though, helps our offense flow better, but he isnt as reliable in the paint.

JV’s rebounding didn’t help Derozan in the playoffs. LMAO.


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[Darknemo2000]

Gasol is a worse 1 vs 1 post defender than JV but a better perimeter defender and also a better inside defender on plays where positioning and anticipation is required over brute force and length. On plays where speed is required they are both equally bad.

Completely agree with you there though I would add that on perimeter the difference isnt very high sadly. Have seen Gasol being too late to react on step out as much as JV have been. Still his experience makes him somewhat better on perimeter D but not by a big margin sadly.

This is the same on offense too. Any plays that require brute force and length, JV is superior, particularly in the post. But plays that are perimeter oriented, require decision making and positioning more than simple 1v1 or 2 man action, Gasol is the superior player.

Nurse and the rest of our starters have a clear preference for one type of player over the other, being Gasol. JV is also highly effective and useful but in more specific situations.

Wholeheartedly agree. I would say that JV's ability to crash for offensive boards did help us on gaining a few extra positions. Not exactly an offensive skill but it help our guards and forwards shoot with more confidence knowing that if anything there is a high chance JV may grab that board after the miss.

Gasol gives us more on perimeter though, helps our offense flow better, but he isnt as reliable in the paint.

JV’s rebounding didn’t help Derozan in the playoffs. LMAO.


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Gasol's passing would have helped him either. Don't think anything can save DD come the post-season. We both know that he will brick and he will fumble his way out of playoffs anyway LMAO

DD needs to fix his own head first so that he can perform when it matters.

[team edward]

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"Passing to the open man is bad and leads to misses" - RealGM

First, can someone from the stats-loving posters explain me how the FG% cited above is calculated?
To be more precise, I am interested in whether, when calculating FG%, only the assisted shots are taken into account, or the shots after the passes, which do not directly lead to a basket, are taken into account as well?

Second, a couple of questions, for those who have ever played basketball:

a) If you get a pass wide-open and shoot the ball, how much the final result - whether you hit or miss - depends on whom you received the ball from?
b) If the pass has not directly led to a basket (has not been counted as an assist), what an impact on the FG% this pass has made?

Third, if stating that one variable, e.g. x, makes greater impact than the other one, e.g. y, it is obligatory to provide the results for both variables (x and y) so the reader could compare them and ascertain whether the conclusion you have come to is correct or not.

Thank you in advance for the assistance.

sounds like a lot of work and sounds like you already have a sufficient knowledge of stats to undertake it yourself.

Here’s what clear to me a non stat head:
- Gasol can pass and with gasol the raps as a team pass more and shoot better
- everyone likes playing with gasol because he’s a 7 foot pass first point guard
- because he can pass and catch and shoot, he can play in the 4th quarter
- this is the kind of play that nurse wants to encourage
- kawhi is happy

[Johnny Bball]

JV stans making burner accounts now to post their nonsense.

Odd that people can't just admit that regardless of jv, gasol is on the decline and doesn't make us better. I said it from the time the trade was made, it only makes sense if we followed it up aggressively to acquire shooters, but instead we surrounded him with mccaw, Powell, OG... Failed trade on so many levels. At least we still have the saviour fvv.

Regardless of JV? Can’t admit? Doesnt make us better so Gasol is just a minus player?

How do you watch basketball as long as you have and still come up with what are easily the worst concepts ever.

[Raps1103]

Darry might have to completely change accounts now... how can you live down the pathetic attempt to agree with yourself, and forget to change accounts ! Somebody put that sh*^ on R/quityiurbullsh*^

[Jcity08]

JV stans making burner accounts now to post their nonsense.

Odd that people can't just admit that regardless of jv, gasol is on the decline and doesn't make us better. I said it from the time the trade was made, it only makes sense if we followed it up aggressively to acquire shooters, but instead we surrounded him with mccaw, Powell, OG... Failed trade on so many levels. At least we still have the saviour fvv.

Regardless of JV? Can’t admit? Does t make us better so Gasol is just a minus player?

How do you watch basketball as long as you have and still come up with what are easily the worst concepts ever.

The way I see it is that if you repeat something long enough and loud enough, it'll become the only thing thats true to you.

The same arguments and hyperbole get repeated, line for line, about Gasol and the trade. Context be damned.

There is no middle ground, no compromise. Either its a complete success or complete failure.

Trying to engage in a reasonable measured discussion about the pro's & con's, context regarding roles, minutes, usage..ect... is futile against the overwhelming desire to be vindicated and feeling like you won an argument.

[Yeezus_]

Odd that people can't just admit that regardless of jv, gasol is on the decline and doesn't make us better. I said it from the time the trade was made, it only makes sense if we followed it up aggressively to acquire shooters, but instead we surrounded him with mccaw, Powell, OG... Failed trade on so many levels. At least we still have the saviour fvv.

But Gasol is starting and playing alongside 3 perimeter players who shoot 36%+ from 3 + Siakam who is shooting liek 45% from the corner 3.

Gasol definitely makes us better and provides us more playmaking when times get tough, we'll see the true benefit of that in the playoffs.

I hope so but the one complaint everyone had with jv was his defense. They said despite his offense, his defense didn't makeup for it.

Why aren't people saying the same for gasol? Despite his passing improvement over jv, does it make up for his lack of scoring and rebounsing presence? Is his defense even an improvement over jv? Since he's been here we've still gotten lit up by meiiocre teams and even struggled to beat a few of them.

The reason you make a trade like this is to improve the team. But all I've seen so far is a slight improvement in one aspect but a downgrade in another. I. E a lateral move.

Honestly, I dont have data but I think defense is a wash between the two players. Gasol is a slightly better perimeter defender on switches and JV is a slightly better post defender.

I agree he needs to do a better job rebounding. Not sure what Gasol's career rebounding rate is but he needs to be better. With scoring though, we never really needed a big to score with the players on our team. Kawhi, Siakam, Lowry ext all score. We need a big who can facilitate the offense for them and get open looks. JV can definitely score more but Gasol is a more effective offensive player in our system.

[djsunyc]

he be logged in like this

[DarryWalker]

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