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Re: Former Raptor discussion thread 2.0 

Post#61 » by Kevin Willis » Mon May 13, 2019 5:07 pm

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hsb wrote:Lol, Casey is so damn stubborn to anything basketball. Why so many homers on here tried to justify his stupidity is embarrassing for them.

Casey would've thought the only difference was Kawhi, and honestly this is the time he would be right. He keeps mentioning how much everything is the same under Nurse this season and he's not entirely wrong. Nurse made some very stupid decisions this series and got bailed out, along with everyone else who couldn't shoot and play hot potato pretty much all series (Gasol, Lowry, Ibaka, FVV, even Siakam after game 1), by Kawhi.

Without Kawhi, Nurse would be criticized from some of these things for example; not attacking JJ when even the Nets of all teams were doing it game after game, not giving Embiid more room to chuck threes to close out the paint for everyone else, playing way too small for way too long this series, calling game 2 like it was a regular season game all together, tried Meeks for some damn reason etc etc.


Good points. He made some stupid decisions and so did Brown. Philly did a good job hiding JJ and the other 4 starters were incredibly talented. He didn't care if JJ went off as much as the other 4. Nurse is a mad scientist. He experimented even in this series. He had faith in his bench and they didn't deliver. But when it came to a must win he made the right moves - Game 4 and 7.

I was fine with his mistakes. They were logical, they just didn't work. Some of Casey's mistakes were head scratchers like Miles on Love. Even being small worked sometimes. But their PG is 6'10. JJ is 6'4. I also don't think Brown out-coached him. His playcalling and execution at end of game was bad. Ours was solid. Out of timeouts we executed plays. If our offense shot the ball better we would've won in 5. Can't blame Nurse for passing up wide open shots after the play was successful.

He's a rookie coach and they listen to him. Casey wouldn't flex at all and players would get mad.

I'll just say it isn't about what you and I think of Nurse and Casey, you bring up of what Casey might be thinking. Casey wont be pissed, he'll tell himself what if he had a player like Kawhi instead because nothing else changed. Something he said on the record multiple times, for the most part, this season when asked about the team.


Casey was already pissed. He keeps takings shots at Nurse and the Toronto fanbase. I'm saying this would piss him off even more. If he said the only difference is Kawhi that would be wrong. This Milwaukee team is very similar to the team last year. Different coach and very different results. Having a superstar player means nothing if he is used wrongly. Plus their Nurse and Casey philosophies are different. Casey is pound the rock - consistent, persistent go for most wins possible. By your own admission Nurse is like mad scientist - experimenting, testing and seeing what can work.

I agree sets are similar since last year it was Nurse's offence anyway. But mindset, rotation, ATO is different. When Casey said they run the same plays he's right, mostly. But Ibaka, Siakam, JV are having outstanding years under Nurse so something is different. Casey is a company man that cares how he is perceived and right now it's perceived that Masai made the right move getting rid of him. He is pissed.
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Re: Former Raptor discussion thread 2.0 

Post#62 » by metafisical » Mon May 13, 2019 5:13 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Casey must be pissed! I can see him in that gif swearing because this justifies the moves Masai made including letting him go.


Casey, when Toronto beat Philly in game 7:
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Casey, even if Toronto doesn't beat Philly in game 7:
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Post#63 » by And1Skip » Tue May 14, 2019 2:50 am

here's a link of Jose Calderon on the Fan590 today talking about him watching Game 7 with his son. It wasn't intentional, his son doesn't have class on Friday in Detroit so they drove up and visited friends, and Gasol family, then there was Game 7 so they stayed to watch it.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/good-show/jose-calderon-raptors-advancing-eastern-conference-finals/
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Post#64 » by Vlade Divac » Tue May 14, 2019 4:37 am

Just curious - I know there were a lot of DeRozan fanboys here who were terribly hurt after the trade. Of course over the last season that number shrinks to the point that I don’t see them anymore. But I just wonder is there anyone left who would not do this trade on July 18?


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Post#65 » by XxIronChainzxX » Tue May 14, 2019 3:06 pm

Vlade Divac wrote:Just curious - I know there were a lot of DeRozan fanboys here who were terribly hurt after the trade. Of course over the last season that number shrinks to the point that I don’t see them anymore. But I just wonder is there anyone left who would not do this trade on July 18?


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For me it was never the fanboys who surprised me. They were always a lost cause - it's why they were stanning for DD to start.

It's the people who said the trade was a bust if Kawhi left. That's who IMO I'd be curious to see if they changed their minds.
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Re: Former Raptor discussion thread 2.0 

Post#66 » by Patman » Wed May 15, 2019 3:31 am

And1Skip wrote:here's a link of Jose Calderon on the Fan590 today talking about him watching Game 7 with his son. It wasn't intentional, his son doesn't have class on Friday in Detroit so they drove up and visited friends, and Gasol family, then there was Game 7 so they stayed to watch it.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/good-show/jose-calderon-raptors-advancing-eastern-conference-finals/


I'd love to hire Jose as an assistant coach someday if he's interested. Talk about getting the most out of the least. This guy was an unathletic point guard with no perimeter shot when he came into the league. 9 times out of 10 that guy washes out of the league.
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Re: Former Raptor discussion thread 2.0 

Post#67 » by v1n5anity » Thu May 16, 2019 12:28 am

Morant to Memphis, Delon can't catch a break. Atleast he'll be the back-up there instead of the 3rd PG with the Raps.
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Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#68 » by GED Education » Thu May 16, 2019 3:07 am

Gasol is more than solid on D, but it's basically 4 vs 5 on offense. He is so ungodly terrible and undependable.

How did be get so bad and why God did he have to lose his game after coming here???
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#69 » by Uncle Dennis » Thu May 16, 2019 3:08 am

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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#70 » by FrozenLeafz » Thu May 16, 2019 3:11 am

One thing you can count on JV is his efficiency on the offense.

Gasol 2/11

if we had JV, he'd go at least 5/11. Would've won this game for sure
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#71 » by TheAlchemist » Thu May 16, 2019 3:25 am

The problem is Jonas would've made the team have no chance since he'd never know how to drop back in the paint and defend Giannis.

He just didn't have the skillset to defend properly.

I don't know. We look like we need way more offence in this playoffs right now. It's tough.
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#72 » by macNcheese3 » Thu May 16, 2019 3:26 am

Man everyone bashed Miles big time. He was a no show most nights.
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#73 » by PerfectJab » Thu May 16, 2019 3:26 am

Wow, still on about this. Time to move on...
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#74 » by Useyourhead » Thu May 16, 2019 3:27 am

TheAlchemist wrote:The problem is Jonas would've made the team have no chance since he'd never know how to drop back in the paint and defend Giannis.

He just didn't have the skillset to defend properly.

I don't know. We look like we need way more offence in this playoffs right now. It's tough.


If you asked the raptors coaching staff and management honestly, they would undo that trade. JV and Delon give us so much more scoring, rebounding for extra posessions, rim protection just overall for winning and JV's defense was only poor on pnr his man to man d and rim protection were fine.

Terrible terrible trade
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#75 » by Red_Claw » Thu May 16, 2019 3:27 am

FrozenLeafz wrote:One thing you can count on JV is his efficiency on the offense.

Gasol 2/11

if we had JV, he'd go at least 5/11. Would've won this game for sure


Partially but no primarily right.

You could always depend on his rebounds. And since Milwaukee takes so many shots, there are lots of rebounds to get so we have more chances to score.

Could have really used someone offensive put backs this game and getting Lopez in foul trouble. Fact of the matter is, they aren't coming back. Gasol needs to look in the mirror and figure out who he is cause we need Memphis Gasol, not Toronto Gasol.
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#76 » by EH15 » Thu May 16, 2019 3:29 am

Yeah but BroLo would’ve went for 40 lol
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#77 » by tdotrep2 » Thu May 16, 2019 3:32 am

FrozenLeafz wrote:One thing you can count on JV is his efficiency on the offense.

Gasol 2/11

if we had JV, he'd go at least 5/11. Would've won this game for sure


im thinking 6/10 with a **** ton of rebounds.
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#78 » by Sisqo » Thu May 16, 2019 3:34 am

FrozenLeafz wrote:One thing you can count on JV is his efficiency on the offense.

Gasol 2/11

if we had JV, he'd go at least 5/11. Would've won this game for sure


Not when you factor in the point he would give up..
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#79 » by pkiskool » Thu May 16, 2019 3:34 am

tdotrep2 wrote:
FrozenLeafz wrote:One thing you can count on JV is his efficiency on the offense.

Gasol 2/11

if we had JV, he'd go at least 5/11. Would've won this game for sure


im thinking 6/10 with a **** ton of rebounds.

The rebound is where people are overlooking.
Gasol barely grabs 10 a game.
JV would be averaging 15 a game in this brick fest.
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Re: Could use Delon, JV and Miles right about now. 

Post#80 » by Hero » Thu May 16, 2019 3:36 am

Didn't we get swept 2 years in a row with these guys?

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