GIVE FVV MAX!

[SharoneWright]

You have to slightly overpay Fred, mostly because he is an asset. Obviously not the max.

Kyle IS old. I think that 1-year deal was designed to be traded. And I think Masai has already told him as much. We receive a couple decent players (x) and a pick.

You keep FVV at SG. Maybe you give TD a chance to start at PG and be patient until he proves or disproves himself or until the right trade can be made - I'd trade Powell for a TD upgrade at PG instantly if possible.

You let Marc go.

You try to get Serge back on a shorter deal at a lower number.

TD/or upgrade
Fred/Thomas
OG/x
Pascal/x/Boucher
Serge/x

This gives us much more cap flexibility, while getting younger, while retaining player assets.

[vado]

Anything over 20 million and we have to let FVV walk. His value should be more like 17 though. He's not the floor general Lowry is and he can't finish at the rim nearly as well as him too.

[Son Goku 25]

Its always been about him first, he's definitely a winning player but I feel like he was playing out of his role. Its weird. I dont see him as a floor general or real leader but I do see him as a good role player on a championship team that doesn't need him to iso or be focal point on offense. If he wants to get that cash, go for it but I wouldnt mind him coming back on a reasonable deal, assuming we do improve as a team and he drops a couple notches in terms of role on offense.

[Son Goku 25]

its annoying when ppl compare him to Lowry. The only thing they have similar is their height and 3 pt shot. Fvv goes in like a dumbass getting blocked while lowry is much more explosive and stronger and can fight through bigger people for boards and and 1s. Lowry is an actual leader as well and just way better offensively. They ain't the same. Unless fvv was super quick or athletic he just can't make it up.

[UneducatedFan86]

No. Do not give FVV the max. You let the market dictate his value and hopefully, Fred lets you match or not, or see if a S&T deal can be worked out. I don't like Fred as a PG and I don't want to see him running this team for years to come. He always played more of an SG on this team and benefitted from being with a better playmaker or the secondary/tertiary ballhandler.

Lowry has a year left and is on the tail-end of his career. I could see us signing him for another season or two or potentially trading him to a contending team to see if he can get one more ring. But that is really up to Kyle. He's done enough for this team to be given the right to choose what he wants to do moving forward.

Gasol and Ibaka are likely gone. Gasol still defended well but his offense was completely gone. Ibaka still has the chance to sign one more long-term deal before he likely retires and I don't think he fits in our long-term plans. If he's willing to sign a 1+1 then maybe bring him back but I'm sure he's looking for that guaranteed deal.

OG is someone I'd try to sign to an extension. He's huge on both sides of the floor and was arguably our best player in this series and came up huge in big moments. If you wait until next season then you run the risk of him being offered a big deal from another team or he continues to play this way and asks for more.

Pascal had a great start to the season but ever since the change of the calendar he fell off a cliff because teams were able to scout him and adjusted to his game. His 3 isn't good enough and teams just played off him. He usually has issues with players of similar length or bigger defending him but even smaller guards were able to stop his post-up game and teams were able to throw doubles at him because they knew the spin was coming. He's gotta get better. Period.

Nurse also went from believing in our bench and depth to basically running our starters into the ground. I don't understand that. When you're a team that lacks a real number one option and you've seen success with having lots of different looks and matchups, you really shouldn't go away from that too much unless it isn't working at all. So Nurse needs to look at this season and learn from it too. Our offense looked horrible at times and that is partially on him.

I get that some people want to just run it back but that isn't going to win us another championship. We clearly need that star player, again. We've seen what happens when you are a team full of great secondary & tertiary players (This year and pre-Kawhi teams) but we never won with that makeup. So it is up to Masai to find out how to get a legit number one option and build from there. If it means taking a step back next year and going all-in in 2021 free agency then go for it. No reason to overpay aging players or players that might not fit the long-term plan (unless you plan on trading them, of course).

[Basketball_Jones]

Surprising takes here saying he isn’t a point guard. He clearly is. Franchise point guard is what u are comparing him to, and he is definitely not that.

[Dalek]

A team cannot be good with Fred as your best perimeter player. He's a great supporting player but clearly sucks when he tries to do too much.

He's an awesome bench player. But that's it. If he's considered a star, then your team is losing.

I don't know why he wouldn't be considered a starter/star. He is a great two-way player who makes incredibly clutch shots. He was out there guarding Tatum and Brown at times and held his own. They were literally one or two shots from making the conference finals and that was largely due to FVV's play.

Toronto won a ton of games with him starting with another 6 ft PG. I think people have to get past the whole conventional PPG and size/athleticism equals star quality. FVV may not average 20+ because the offence is spread out. His size does not stop him from being a pest on defence.

I think you have to imagine him with a proper slashing wing. Poor Lowry was forced into that role and he gave it all he could. FVV is a great floor spreader with deep range that would easily compliment another star player.

I don't know if you notice his basketball impact, but so many young players like Grant Riller, Skylar Mays and many others name drop him because he literally brings his own style to the game. He is a skilled, high IQ player that is tough-minded and a leader.

Losing him in free agency would be a huge misstep.

[StringerBell]

Offer him exactly what Brogdon got last year - 4/85 max. If Detorit or New York wants to offer him upwards of 100 mil then you pack his bags for him.

[Edumacated]

I think it's a bad year to be a free agent with the cap going down next year and possibly the following years. I think he's not going to get the offers he was expecting pre-COVID. Nobody will be offering him over $25m/per with all this uncertainty. I read teams will try to get rid of contracts to reduce payroll.

[SurgeIblocka]

It wasn’t to long ago that Fred locked down Steph Curry in the finals! He is a great player, but in our situation with all our contracts, and future resigns we can’t really afford to give him more than 20 M , if that.i could be wrong as Masai has traditionally paid his PG’s and could see Fred as our future

[Tor_Raps]

A team cannot be good with Fred as your best perimeter player. He's a great supporting player but clearly sucks when he tries to do too much.

He's an awesome bench player. But that's it. If he's considered a star, then your team is losing.

I don't know why he wouldn't be considered a starter/star. He is a great two-way player who makes incredibly clutch shots. He was out there guarding Tatum and Brown at times and held his own. They were literally one or two shots from making the conference finals and that was largely due to FVV's play.

Toronto won a ton of games with him starting with another 6 ft PG. I think people have to get past the whole conventional PPG and size/athleticism equals star quality. FVV may not average 20+ because the offence is spread out. His size does not stop him from being a pest on defence.

I think you have to imagine him with a proper slashing wing. Poor Lowry was forced into that role and he gave it all he could. FVV is a great floor spreader with deep range that would easily compliment another star player.

I don't know if you notice his basketball impact, but so many young players like Grant Riller, Skylar Mays and many others name drop him because he literally brings his own style to the game. He is a skilled, high IQ player that is tough-minded and a leader.

Losing him in free agency would be a huge misstep.

I think he can be a starting PG but not your best perimeter player. I would never want the ball in his hands with the game on the line unless hes catching and shooting.

I agree losing him for nothing will set this team back but severely overpaying him will do the same. There are a lot of bad teams that have cap space and might do it (Knicks/Pistons). Lets hope we can bring him back to a 17.5 per year deal.

[Wo1verine]

What's Fred's max anyways? Isn't he a lock at $20M + from some team?

[RaptorsNorth]

If you’re talking about bringing Giannis here there’s no way you allow one of your better shooters to leave! Some people think you just sign superstar’s and any scrub around them is good enough because they’re a superstar. You need lots of shooters around that man. Maybe a guy like Thomas becomes even more valuable. You start looking 3 and D guys around the league and maybe even cheap snipers from the Euro league.

[SurgeIblocka]

What's Fred's max anyways? Isn't he a lock at $20M + from some team?

Fred is definitely getting at least 20 M , but more likely 25 Mil.

NY and Detroit will offer him that no question.

There are a lot of teams who can create cap space easily this summer

[RaptorsNorth]

Masai and Bobby have their work cut out for them. That pascal contract along with that SJ contract are not looking good right now.

[Wo1verine]

What's Fred's max anyways? Isn't he a lock at $20M + from some team?

Fred is definitely getting at least 20 M , but more likely 25 Mil.

NY and Detroit will offer him that no question.

I say we match and he's back - This team never attracts good FAs so gotta keep your own IMO.

[YogurtProducer]

He’s made strides every year so I would want him back, but not at a max

[RaptorsNorth]

I can easily see Masai and Bobby looking at the international market for a cheap diamonds. We don’t have cap space like that to offer proven guys big money. I mean even if we get giannis who are we putting around him with no real cap space ?

[WeTheNorth123]

Offer him exactly what Brogdon got last year - 4/85 max. If Detorit or New York wants to offer him upwards of 100 mil then you pack his bags for him.

this.....i'm a big Van Vleet fan but still this!

[YogurtProducer]

You have to slightly overpay Fred, mostly because he is an asset. Obviously not the max.

Kyle IS old. I think that 1-year deal was designed to be traded. And I think Masai has already told him as much. We receive a couple decent players (x) and a pick.

You keep FVV at SG. Maybe you give TD a chance to start at PG and be patient until he proves or disproves himself or until the right trade can be made - I'd trade Powell for a TD upgrade at PG instantly if possible.

You let Marc go.

You try to get Serge back on a shorter deal at a lower number.

TD/or upgrade
Fred/Thomas
OG/x
Pascal/x/Boucher
Serge/x

This gives us much more cap flexibility, while getting younger, while retaining player assets.

Lowry will not be traded