NN's "genius" is overrated

[bluerap23]

People on here think Kawhi won the chip by himself.
How did that work out last year?

[Fairview4Life]

All that said, OP got his wish. Yuta got playing time and to OP's credit, he did some good things out there. Although, OP pushing Yuta so hard will probably turn people against Watanabe.

OP's wish wasn't just to play Yuta more though. No one would actually care about that. I'm sure we're all fine with him getting like Stanley's minutes or whatever, or stealing some from our bigs. His wish was to bench FVV for him. And to stop playing FVV and Lowry together. Which was an absurd wish given the numbers. He, of course, had his own numbers that said otherwise. Much more complex numbers than just basic "is the team good offensively and defensively with FVV and Lowry on the floor together" that everyone else looks at.

[newsletter]

Waiting for OP's advanced stats to prove this thesis

[brownbobcat]

Waiting for OP's advanced stats to prove this thesis

Peons like us wouldn't understand it - better to just take his word for it, play Yuta 30 mins a night and banish Fred to the bench.

[MavCarter]

You have to be absolutely miserable to turn on nurse already with the roster we have. These same posters will tell you it was all kawhi when we won a championship but now talent doesn’t matter and its all nurses fault. This is probably the weakest team weve had since the rudy gay era

[Clay Davis]

Yuta sucked last game lol screwed up two straight possessions on a row for us

[Kevin Willis]

This guy throws **** against the wall and see's if it sticks.

Why doesn't he look at the numbers and experiment by those merits? He got gifted a lot more than DC did (also a bad coach).

If we want to experiment get an asssitant coach that can provide experimental ideas backed by metrics.

Try OG at the 5. Boucher at the 5. Start Powell. Make Yuta the permanent back up 3, let him get comfortable and he will be a proven starter.

All of those ideas are backed by logical or strong statistics.

When NN starts Len instead of Baynes what the heck is that based off of?

He is overrated.

I would take your post seriously and address it each point in my opinion.

"This guy throws **** against the wall and see's if it sticks."

Agree. That's his reputation to try new things and see what sticks. He's very instinctual, for example the Box-and-1. So if you're dealing with a mad scientist, you have to expect some things to just not work.

"Why doesn't he look at the numbers and experiment by those merits? He got gifted a lot more than DC did (also a bad coach)."

I haven't been paying attention to his interviews this year. I know last year he said he would try things in the regular season with an eye to the playoffs. He also does look at numbers but he experiments by both merit and feel. He does discuss statistics with regards how he would like to play but during the game he does go by feel which is sometimes contrary to numbers. Usually he is better at making in-game adjustments. I would say neither DC or NN were bad coaches but different coaches. DC defined a culture and structure. NN is more creative and relies on certain people. Both are coach of the year candidates, I would never call them bad coaches. What's Bud then or Derek Fisher or Jason Kidd?

"If we want to experiment get an asssitant coach that can provide experimental ideas backed by metrics."

We've had a couple of coaches like that but they left. Scariolo is not bad. That's the price for success and we have to work with what we have - don't blame Nick for that.

"Try OG at the 5. Boucher at the 5. Start Powell. Make Yuta the permanent back up 3, let him get comfortable and he will be a proven starter."

You're asking NN to experiment here but complain about his experimenting earlier. DC would be more traditional in contrast and force the C's to play. Let's ignore the contradiction. OG at the 5 would work depending on match-up. Boucher at 5 has been tried. Powell has been tried. Yuta plays balls to the wall and has been rewarded as part of the rotation. Yuta will never be a starter by the way. He will need to improve his skill.

The starting line-up of

Lowry
FVV
Powell
OG
Pascal

With bench of Malachi, Boucher, Yuta, TD can be effective in the regular season. He got there through experimentation.

"When NN starts Len instead of Baynes what the heck is that based off of?"

Neither are even playing now. He should get credit for that.

"He is overrated."

He never said he's a genious. He a mad scientist. He experiments. He's more Steve Kerr than Bud. He's more Spo than Pops. However he's been able to get a lot out of his players and he should get respect for his accomplishments. For example he's better than Luke Walton who has a history of working well with young players. Or a Gentry who is more old school with old school codes. It's a hyperbole to say he's overrated because every coach can be called that when their team is losing. He has two years of success, if they have just a horrible year then sure go from there. My guess is that when they start playing losing teams and get a firmer identity they will go on a winning streak. The start of the season has been odd that way where they play either winning teas or good team. At some point that will turn and some people might be pissed when we contend for a playoff spot. I won't - I have become addicted to winning.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Waiting for OP's advanced stats to prove this thesis

Peons like us wouldn't understand it - better to just take his word for it, play Yuta 30 mins a night and banish Fred to the bench.

although this logic sounds pretty fair to me. I'd say let Pr0gram have all-access pass to Nurse's ear. nothing to lose right?

[brownbobcat]

You're asking NN to experiment here but complain about his experimenting earlier.

You just don't understand - it's because NN didn't experiment exactly according to OP's super secret revolutionary analytics AI.

On a serious note, there's also a limit to experimentation. It could simply be that this year's group doesn't have it and it's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you're constantly making big changes throughout the whole year without a foundational base, you'll start to lose the room. Players are only humans and fans forget that the coach's job is about relationships as much as tactics. For all of Casey's faults, he consistently found a way to motivate the team to play above their talent. The same was true of Nurse so far. Criticisms are fair and fine, but I'm going to afford Nurse (and Masai) a long leash over the rest of 2021and not worry about the "oversight" of not handing the reins over to Yuta.

[djsunyc]

this thread is another exhibit in a long list of exhibits on why many of you dont deserve the 2019 chip.

[pr0gr4m]

I would take your post seriously and address it each point in my opinion.

"This guy throws **** against the wall and see's if it sticks."

Agree. That's his reputation to try new things and see what sticks. He's very instinctual, for example the Box-and-1. So if you're dealing with a mad scientist, you have to expect some things to just not work.

Experiementing with a hypothesis is a good idea. That means you have data backing up the experiment and why it may succeed. There is limited data and unfortunately that means you gotta compare different players who came from different settings. It's hard to account for every variable. The more the variables the higher the complexity and the larger room for error.

"Why doesn't he look at the numbers and experiment by those merits? He got gifted a lot more than DC did (also a bad coach)."

I haven't been paying attention to his interviews this year. I know last year he said he would try things in the regular season with an eye to the playoffs. He also does look at numbers but he experiments by both merit and feel. He does discuss statistics with regards how he would like to play but during the game he does go by feel which is sometimes contrary to numbers. Usually he is better at making in-game adjustments. I would say neither DC or NN were bad coaches but different coaches. DC defined a culture and structure. NN is more creative and relies on certain people. Both are coach of the year candidates, I would never call them bad coaches. What's Bud then or Derek Fisher or Jason Kidd?

Watch on YouTube

"If we want to experiment get an asssitant coach that can provide experimental ideas backed by metrics."

We've had a couple of coaches like that but they left. Scariolo is not bad. That's the price for success and we have to work with what we have - don't blame Nick for that.

When you have had multiple failed relationships. It's time you look at yourself and question where the real problems are. No doubt the issue is the roster. But there is a combination of players, rotation that would output something better than we currently have.

"Try OG at the 5. Boucher at the 5. Start Powell. Make Yuta the permanent back up 3, let him get comfortable and he will be a proven starter."

You're asking NN to experiment here but complain about his experimenting earlier. DC would be more traditional in contrast and force the C's to play. Let's ignore the contradiction. OG at the 5 would work depending on match-up. Boucher at 5 has been tried. Powell has been tried. Yuta plays balls to the wall and has been rewarded as part of the rotation. Yuta will never be a starter by the way. He will need to improve his skill.

What skill does Yuta need to improve? Defense? Rebounding? We literally are playing him to his weaknesses and he is still putting up great plus-minus stats. That is great hard evidence to go by to support an increase in his minutes. I would make him the permanent back up 3 and throw at min. 20 minutes his way. He will gain comfort and his shot, shot creation, etc will show as he further adjusts.

The starting line-up of

Lowry
FVV
Powell
OG
Pascal

With bench of Malachi, Boucher, Yuta, TD can be effective in the regular season. He got there through experimentation.

Powell is horrible at SF. He is great at SG. Lowry won't be here next season. I'll place my bets now if you want to? We aren't winning this year. I would tank with FVV/Powell/Yuta/OG/Siakam if needed. Hell, Houston starts Tucker at the 5 before Christian Wood (Hmm, recall me saying we should dump multiple players for him that aged pretty well).

At the end of the day my track record, predictions, and the parts I vouched for are showing to have worked out. Why keep doubting me? Keep doubting my evaluating skills. It'll age well.

"When NN starts Len instead of Baynes what the heck is that based off of?"

Neither are even playing now. He should get credit for that.

Maybe if we JUST MAYBE signed Wood instead of Len and Baynes we would be in a much better position than we are in now. In what parallel universe does signing a C in his mid 30s do well for a team planning to rebuild/retool? Considering how history and having Hedo as the biggest FA we signed. Why in the blue hell would we be able to get Giannis? Does he spend his off-season here or in Cali, Florida, Greece, etc? We mean nothing to him. I called that out a while ago and no matter how we sliced it. It would be a losing situation. Giannis and Siakam would be brutal together. We would have absolute 0 shot creation.

"He is overrated."

He never said he's a genious. He a mad scientist. He experiments. He's more Steve Kerr than Bud. He's more Spo than Pops. However he's been able to get a lot out of his players and he should get respect for his accomplishments. For example he's better than Luke Walton who has a history of working well with young players. Or a Gentry who is more old school with old school codes. It's a hyperbole to say he's overrated because every coach can be called that when their team is losing. He has two years of success, if they have just a horrible year then sure go from there. My guess is that when they start playing losing teams and get a firmer identity they will go on a winning streak. The start of the season has been odd that way where they play either winning teas or good team. At some point that will turn and some people might be pissed when we contend for a playoff spot. I won't - I have become addicted to winning.

He experiements by guessing and checking dude. Do you understand how dumb that is? It is a waste of time, brings down team morale. We are going to be having a locker room meeting PLAYERS ONLY very soon. Buckle the **** up. I predict a massive **** storm.

I responded to all your individual points above. Thank you for your detailed response. Although we disagree I appreciate the time and effort you placed in your post. Best, pr0gr4m.

[Johnny Bball]

"... backed up by strong stats... I'll give you none though...because that would require effort and I prefer throwing **** and see if it sticks"

[pr0gr4m]

OP is feeling the stress!!! Someone help him!!

I think you are. It's like telling a kid Santa Claus isn't real or their hero is actually a loser.

Santa?!
Relax bro. Don't let the pressure get to you.

OP needs a break from Realgm

Totally

Which predictions have I made that fell short?

My predictions for crypto, stocks pre/post COVID made me bank. This is my leisurely time educating sheeply goofs on how and when to question the status quo.

Sure ban me from RealGM there's plenty of great forums on the internet.

I'm telling you your hero NN is another goof with nerdy shades on. It got you so shook you're starting a cyber cabal against me. I love it.

[libertyYYZ]

As head coach:

NBA champion (2019)

NBA Coach of the Year (2020)

NBA All-Star Game head coach (2020)

2× NBA D-League champion (2011, 2013)

NBA D-League Coach of the Year (2011)

2× BBL champion (1996, 2000)

2× BBL Coach of the Year (2000, 2004)

4× BBL All-Star Game head coach (1995,1997, 1999, 2001)

English Cup winner (2003)

Uni-Ball Trophy winner (1999)

Belgian Cup champion (1998)

Belgian Supercup champion (1998)

Uni-Ball Trophy winner -- OK, I had to look that one up! Very nice! Free pens for everyone!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBL_Trophy
A change in sponsorship saw the competition rebranded as the uni-ball Trophy in 1997 after a naming rights agreement was made with the Mitsubishi Pencil Company.[5]

[kj_]

Without the Uni-ball then I’d be agreeing with the Pro-gram on this one. It was that title that pushed him from over-rated to genius in my mind.


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[YogurtProducer]

This thread has to be a troll lmao no one is this big of a douche

[Steelo Green]

I thought NN was the one thing everyone on here agreed about.

Guess not.

NN is one of the leagues best.

[junot111]

I think you are. It's like telling a kid Santa Claus isn't real or their hero is actually a loser.

Santa?!
Relax bro. Don't let the pressure get to you.

OP needs a break from Realgm

Totally

Which predictions have I made that fell short?

My predictions for crypto, stocks pre/post COVID made me bank. This is my leisurely time educating sheeply goofs on how and when to question the status quo.

Sure ban me from RealGM there's plenty of great forums on the internet.

I'm telling you your hero NN is another goof with nerdy shades on. It got you so shook you're starting a cyber cabal against me. I love it.

Dude it took no special skills or knowledge to make money this year. If you had any money in the stock market chances are you made money. And I'm not sure how that translates to basketball knowledge lol

[Def Leppard]

Simple. He is not over rated as he has one of the best records for any coach after 2 seasons, makes great adjustments over the course of games and seasons. Took Boston to 7 games last year who I felt were much stronger on paper, while our highest scoring player played very poorly. I think he is a great coach, motivator and tactician. Would you prefer he was fired and replaced? If so, by who?

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[NBJ13]

Pascal looking confident and assertive

Edit: meant for game time