PG System and Usage Angst again

[720]

Future Raptor goat.

Is this the 2021 version of tank for Wiggins?

It's the 2022 version of getting a blue chip prospect like how we got Barnes this past draft.

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I'm a FVV hater, but you have to give him some credit for keeping Steph Curry at 12 points in 37 mins. Who else in the NBA can do this to Steph, especially this year where he's averaging 30

Not sure if people were watching but this is the kind of misinformation and misinterpretation of ststs that perpetuates a lot of the fanboyism on this board.

I'm not denying fvv is a good defender. But if you watched the game it was obvious the raptors were running doubles st Curry all game to force it out of his hands.

Curry being the genius he is immediately finds the open man and a quick swing and boom open 3 after open 3... that's why the warriors killed us tonight. Thwir strategy ro double Curry just allowed them to carve up our defense all night long.

This is not fvv shutting him down 1 on 1. This was clearly nurses game plan. Of course we still got blown out.

Also something to note, the raptors do this to a lot of star players hence why eere known for keeping star numbers down while still losing games...

It's like a moral victory for nurse.

[Rapsfan07]

Honestly, it's the Warriors. We had no chance of winning so I'm not even mad at this loss.

But a few takeaways:

1. Defense looked horrible tonight. We made Wiggins and Poole look like Curry and Thompson out there.

2. Scottie - not sure what's going on with him. Was not good on the defensive end and looks so unsure of himself with the ball. Made a couple of good shots but passed up on open layups, missed a few really good looks at the rim. We all knew he was going to be a project on the offensive end but if he's not even going to be reliable on D...there's only so much blaming others that we can do.

3. FVV understood the assignment and took Curry completely out of the game. At times I forgot Curry was even playing. But was horrible offensively. He pounds the ball a LOT and often insists on taking difficult shots.

4. Pascal - see Scottie

5. Banton was really impressive. If that jumper ever gets consistent, look out.

This team DESPERATELY need a shot creator or an offensive scheme that can create easy buckets. Way too much one on one and ending possessions in bad shots.

I would really like to see Nurse send Trent to the bench. As I've said before, Trents game is much better suited to the bench. He reminds me a lot of Nick Young - great shooter and microwave scorer but when he's not scoring, he really isn't doing much else.

If Trent goes to the bench, we can run: FVV/Barnes/OG/Siakam/Birch. Have Scottie handle the PG duties.

Bench:
Banton/Trent/Svi/Boucher/Precious

[DelAbbot]

Barnes isn't going to get his touches playing alongside Pascal and FVV. Once OG is back, even less touches.
I never thought I'd say this but for the sake of Scottie's development, we need to move him to the bench so he can be our primary facilitator in our 2nd unit. We have enough of a sample size to see that Pascal and FVV have no intention to let Scottie playmake and just defer him to becoming a screener and dribble hand off man. A huge waste of his development time and potential.
We really saw Scottie's energy and confidence explode in the 2nd half, especially the 4th in garbage time where he was assertive. He looked lost on defense in the 1st half and became a passive floater on the offensive end. It was good to see that change in the 2nd half.

Don't forget Trent. This systemxand chemistry is atrocious.

Gary Trent Jr might be my least favourite player on the team. He just plays such an annoying brand of basketball. He's only able to look for his own shot. He's made like 3 swing passes the entire season. He is either unable or unwilling to playmake for others. He's the type of player you would absolutely hate playing with. All me and no we.

let GTJ jack up all the shots to pump his trade value up, and trade him asap. Get him off this team please.

I don't want to watch GTJ playing basketball, even when we become good.

[pingpongrac]

This game was lost early. That 27-9 run that the Warriors went on in the first 8 minutes was basically an insurmountable deficit. We actually played pretty well after that brutal start and went on numerous little runs to cut the lead to ~10, but then Kerr would call a timeout and the Warriors would instantly put together 5 or 6 straight points.

Obviously not pleased with a blowout loss, but there was a lot of fight and we finally got some really good bench production (38 points on 16/30 shooting). Siakam was also really solid after a brutal start and FVV/Barnes both had some good stretches in the 2nd half that ignited some runs. First bad game from GTJ in about 3 weeks, but can't complain about that because he had been extremely consistent the ~10 games prior on both ends.

Also, while the Warriors are an elite offensive team, we ran into some absurd shooting from role players again tonight. Poole was shooting 30% on 3FGA on the year and 35% on wide open threes; tonight he was 8/11 overall. Wiggins was shooting 33% on 3FGA on the year and was 40% on wide open threes; tonight he was 6/8 overall. Porter (39%) also went 5/9. Those three players that typically shoot a combined 37% on WIDE OPEN threes shot 68% tonight on extremely high volume. About the only thing that went right tonight defending the three-point line was holding Curry to 1/6 shooting because FVV was hounding him all night.

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[mdenny]

Scottie had his worst game of his season tonight. Since OG has been out he is missing multiple rotations. Tonight it was brutal bu7t GS is a team that will hilite missed rotations more than anyone else. He was a net negative on the floor and i'm not sure that's happened before. Wondering if nurse will mention it....probably not specifically name him. But it was clear as day. But hey....our defense (which even i am starting to question) has got to be the hardest to learn so it is what it is. In addition to the missed rotations....he was also getting blown by one on one. Also...draymond was making him look silly with vet tricks.

Fred was spectacular. Curry with 12 points and 4 TOs. Fred outplayed him on both ends of court.

Banton and precious both looked good tonight. Starting to get more optimistic about precious. Trent had an off night. It wasnt that bad a loss all things considered.

[links135]

I'm a FVV hater, but you have to give him some credit for keeping Steph Curry at 12 points in 37 mins. Who else in the NBA can do this to Steph, especially this year where he's averaging 30

We just let Poole and Wiggins go 14/19 from 3.

Who else let that happen? Sure we.held Curry to 12 points......and that was the price we paid. The point of trying to stop Curry is not turn everyone else into him.

Poole's next best game was 7-16 from 3. Although FVV does have pretty good perimeter defence.

Just this isn't the brag you make it out to be.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'm a FVV hater, but you have to give him some credit for keeping Steph Curry at 12 points in 37 mins. Who else in the NBA can do this to Steph, especially this year where he's averaging 30

don't have a problem with FVV's defense.

its the 18 shots he takes. or lack of creativity from a playmaking point of view. he's steady freddy. good role player. heck he might even be an all star this year - but this team's record and play is partially a product of FVV's ability and leadership.

[EFF3KT]

Poole is a heck of talent. What a system to develop in and mentored by the greatest shooter of all time. He's got a bright future.

[Starr1]

Barnes isn't going to get his touches playing alongside Pascal and FVV. Once OG is back, even less touches.
I never thought I'd say this but for the sake of Scottie's development, we need to move him to the bench so he can be our primary facilitator in our 2nd unit. We have enough of a sample size to see that Pascal and FVV have no intention to let Scottie playmake and just defer him to becoming a screener and dribble hand off man. A huge waste of his development time and potential.
We really saw Scottie's energy and confidence explode in the 2nd half, especially the 4th in garbage time where he was assertive. He looked lost on defense in the 1st half and became a passive floater on the offensive end. It was good to see that change in the 2nd half.

Don't forget Trent. This systemxand chemistry is atrocious.

Gary Trent Jr might be my least favourite player on the team. He just plays such an annoying brand of basketball. He's only able to look for his own shot. He's made like 3 swing passes the entire season. He is either unable or unwilling to playmake for others. He's the type of player you would absolutely hate playing with. All me and no we.

This is why i think Nurse is clueless as a coach. Just too many isos at this point. GTJ is allowed to shoot whenever he has the ball without cautioning him.

[LJKO]

Why do ppl want Barnes to shoot more. His iso numbers aren’t even that good.

It’s more realgm wanting him to get raw stats at this point for ROY

Scottie Barnes development is our only real play if we want to become contenders again. It aint gonna be Pascal or FVV that will carry us in the future. If there is a player on the roster that could maybe do that one day, its Scottie Barnes. So, why are we allowing players like Trent Jr to chucker his want into 16 shots?

I don't think anyone here has ever stated that Barnes need to shoot more but Nurse. Most of us what him to be the ball handler and with FVV being our PG it isn't gonna happen. Yes Barnes needs to develop a shot but he should do that in the offseason and not his 1st year as a rookie.

[bbalnation]

Future Raptor goat.

Is this the 2021 version of tank for Wiggins?

It's the 2022 version of getting a blue chip prospect like how we got Barnes this past draft.

We didn't choose to lose tank on game 16 last year.

We lost against the potential champion this season.

Onto the next.

[DelAbbot]

I know it was garbage time but Scottie just looks more alive and more energetic when we give him the ball and let him try to break down the defense. He was getting to the rim and drawing fouls in the late fourth there when he didn't have to defer to the vets. Its really frustrating to see him get iced out by chuckers like Gary Trent JR.

GTJ

3-16 for 11, 0 assists in 28mins, -31

Trent has played really well for us this season but it's inexcusable to have 0 assists while jacking up the amount of shots he did today.

It's ingrained in GTJ to get his shot first. GTJ is the opposite type of basketball player to Scottie Barnes.

Even when GTJ's shot is falling (like when Utah played bad defense on him), it's still bad style of basketball the way GTJ plays.

[gbball]

We came out with some nerves, missing good looks and freethrows. 1st quarter was the difference in the game.

Siakam and Barnes left a lot points at the rim and the freethrow line, maybe enough to make it competitive down the stretch. Another case of use beating ourselves.

Scottie has burnt himself out. Something to keep an eye on the rest of the year, at least until the All Star break. He's also a very emotional player. Still a lot to like. I want to see him as our primary playmaker...there's just as much of learning curve for him there as him being a forward. He's going to have to find ways to minimize his lows and maximize his highs. The grind of the NBA is something to keep an eye on for him.

Fred hasn't been that great running the point these last few.

We saw it for a bit down the stretch, but I want to see more Flynn, Banton, Barnes, Precious lineups...maybe put Trent in there too.

Overall, I'm encouraged by the potential our young guys showed.

[WaltFrazier]

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Seems like a broken record really but 20 more FG attempts than the Warriors and still lose by 15.

Something to be said for efficiency and ball movement...

They play (somewhat) small ball beautifully, with quick ball movement and lots of player movement. And lots of other shooters besides Steph, and an underrated big in Looney plus of course Draymond. We cannot aspire to play that kind of small ball, we don't remotely have the players to do it. Plus we are undersized, plus we are stuck in this concept of long guys who can't shoot.

We are stuck in a no man's land. Fred has his strengths but he's not a point guard for a top playoff team. Same with Gary as a shooting guard. And we're a bit small, lack chemistry, our best passer/playmaker is a rookie who doesn't get enough touches.

GSW can make you feel inadequate. We'll beat Memphis and things will look better.

[DelAbbot]

Barnes needs to be engaged more from the get go - he also needs to learn to play off the ball as well but then again, FVV controls the offense and Barnes' touches are a product of that system.

FVV and Siakam are role players with franchise player touches and minutes - I don't think there is a way to fix that or revert their mentality unless they are traded. they simply aren't those types of players. if they were - the Raptors wouldn't be 8-10. they'd be a lot better.

We are also hoovering around the luxury tax line - with this core.

[bakafool]

As long as Fred plays to get his more than gettin others involved and moving the ball, we will lose. Doesn't help that Nick's offensive and defensive systems are bad.

[Childs]

[ItsDanger]

I see progress in Achiuwa's game at least.

[seanbig]

Honestly, it's the Warriors. We had no chance of winning so I'm not even mad at this loss.

But a few takeaways:

1. Defense looked horrible tonight. We made Wiggins and Poole look like Curry and Thompson out there.

2. Scottie - not sure what's going on with him. Was not good on the defensive end and looks so unsure of himself with the ball. Made a couple of good shots but passed up on open layups, missed a few really good looks at the rim. We all knew he was going to be a project on the offensive end but if he's not even going to be reliable on D...there's only so much blaming others that we can do.

3. FVV understood the assignment and took Curry completely out of the game. At times I forgot Curry was even playing. But was horrible offensively. He pounds the ball a LOT and often insists on taking difficult shots.

4. Pascal - see Scottie

5. Banton was really impressive. If that jumper ever gets consistent, look out.

This team DESPERATELY need a shot creator or an offensive scheme that can create easy buckets. Way too much one on one and ending possessions in bad shots.

I would really like to see Nurse send Trent to the bench. As I've said before, Trents game is much better suited to the bench. He reminds me a lot of Nick Young - great shooter and microwave scorer but when he's not scoring, he really isn't doing much else.

If Trent goes to the bench, we can run: FVV/Barnes/OG/Siakam/Birch. Have Scottie handle the PG duties.

Bench:
Banton/Trent/Svi/Boucher/Precious

The problem with Trent is he has the norm “I gotta start or I suck balls” syndrome so if he goes to the bench he might as well be a dnp-cd