Imagine if Precious/Banton had been a top 10 pick...

[Spates]

Someone needs to figure out how to quantify basketball IQ. It's the most glaring distinction between these 3.

[ConSarnit]

If we're still saying this after year 3 or 4, you're right. But he was a 2nd round rookie who didn't play consistently.

His gleague stats last year were very encouraging, especially when it comes to shooting.

I agree his G league stats are encouraging but he didn’t put any of that into practice in the pre-season (limited sample size). He hit zero 3’s. I honestly don’t know if he hit a shot outside of the paint.

Pre season scoring: 11ppg

PITP: 7.2
FT points: 2.2

If we are going by pre-season as a reason to get excited I don’t get what people are watching out there.

The preseason is such a small sample though. He only took 42 shots overall and only 6 3s total. Not the environment to draw any firm conclusions.

I agree. I'm on the same page with most posters here. Obviously the disagreements is with the completely inane premise of "imagine these guys were top 10 picks!" which means absolutely nothing in terms of how good they currently are or will be (Banton would in no way be a top 10 pick given what he's shown so far).

[Boogie_Smooth]

I get that you want them to be viewed with a different perspective but they're definitely not on Scottie's level as a prospect and it's not based on where each of them were selected respectively. Scottie is just clearly a more talented prospect with better feel for the game and rare physical traits. Not to mention he's younger than either of them and has had multiple much better games than either of them where he's looked like he is entirely taking over for periods of a game.

Also thinking a franchise (or fanbase) is judging their players based on draft position who's 2 best players are a guy who we drafted at the end of the 1st round (who most analysts & fans thought was too early at the time) in Siakam & an undrafted player in Fred really doesn't hold water. Draft position won't/doesn't hold back actual great players for long see Jokic.

Precious & Dalano have had their MOMENTS but they'll need to show a lot more consistency (as Pascal & Fred had to), to change the way people look at them as a players and quite frankly I wouldn't be that thrilled if I did view them through that lens (as top 10 picks), in fact it's the opposite, it's because they weren't that I'm more excited that they COULD & look like they'll end up proving to be better than their draft position.

I think that's it, consistency is what differentiates good players from great. Can you affect the game every night even if you are having an off-night, Scottie seems to have more skills to be able to be impactful on both ends of the floor and Dalano/Precious will need to work harder so they are not a liability on the offensive side of the court.

[Los_29]

Yes it's crazy lol.

Banton has made ton of strides but the jury is still out on him playing legitimate back up PG minutes with us.

Precious while is amazing on defence, is still one of the least efficient centers in nba history.

They're not in the same tier as Barnes and never will be but that's okay.

Not trying to be a jerk, but is this actually true? I feel like my eye test can name much worse offensive centers in NBA history?

The average true shooting percentage for a center is 61%.

Precious before his 3-point explosion, which I don't think was sustainable at all was 46%, almost 20% below the average.

He's among the worst finishers in the league as his position. For some context at how bad he was, he was shooting 55% at the rim, Westbrook was more efficient at the rim than Precious was.

If he was even league average for a center, he'd be a top 10 center right now due to how elite his defence is.

People are asking where you got that stat from though. I’d be genuinely surprised if a 52% career TS% is among the worst in NBA history at his position. That just can’t be. I genuinely want to see where you got this from.

[bluerap23]

Someone needs to figure out how to quantify basketball IQ. It's the most glaring distinction between these 3.

Dalano has a high BBIQ. Precious has the physical tools. Scottie has both.

[HumbleRen]

Not trying to be a jerk, but is this actually true? I feel like my eye test can name much worse offensive centers in NBA history?

The average true shooting percentage for a center is 61%.

Precious before his 3-point explosion, which I don't think was sustainable at all was 46%, almost 20% below the average.

He's among the worst finishers in the league as his position. For some context at how bad he was, he was shooting 55% at the rim, Westbrook was more efficient at the rim than Precious was.

If he was even league average for a center, he'd be a top 10 center right now due to how elite his defence is.

People are asking where you got that stat from though. I’d be genuinely surprised if a 52% career TS% is among the worst in NBA history at his position. That just can’t be. I genuinely want to see where you got this from.

We'll compare with Kendrick Perkins, who's considered to be the worst starting center of the 2010's.

Precious was still less efficient than him lol.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/achiupr01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

Was literally the worst in the league finishing around the rim at one point during the season, virtually impossible for a center.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=FGA*GE*6&DateFrom=10/30/2021&DateTo=11/11/2021&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=1&sort=FG_PCT

The improvements he made to go from one of the worst shooting centers in the league to becoming just simply "below average" is truly nuts. Hopefully he can keep up the trajectory.

[Los_29]

The average true shooting percentage for a center is 61%.

Precious before his 3-point explosion, which I don't think was sustainable at all was 46%, almost 20% below the average.

He's among the worst finishers in the league as his position. For some context at how bad he was, he was shooting 55% at the rim, Westbrook was more efficient at the rim than Precious was.

If he was even league average for a center, he'd be a top 10 center right now due to how elite his defence is.

People are asking where you got that stat from though. I’d be genuinely surprised if a 52% career TS% is among the worst in NBA history at his position. That just can’t be. I genuinely want to see where you got this from.

We'll compare with Kendrick Perkins, who's considered to be the worst starting center of the 2010's.

Precious was still less efficient than him lol.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/achiupr01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

Was literally the worst in the league finishing around the rim at one point during the season, virtually impossible for a center.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=FGA*GE*6&DateFrom=10/30/2021&DateTo=11/11/2021&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=1&sort=FG_PCT

The improvements he made to go from one of the worst shooting centers in the league to becoming just simply "below average" is truly nuts. Hopefully he can keep up the trajectory.

You’re still not answering the question. You said he was one of the least efficient centers in NBA history. People are asking where you got that from. We aren’t asking for a comparison between him and Kendrick Perkins.

The dates you’re looking at are from October 30th to November 11th of the SAME year. A sample size of 7 games. What is that supposed to prove?

The first center I googled was Antonio Davis and his TS%’s were in the mid 40s some years. I’m sure there are a lot of others out there as well.

[HumbleRen]

People are asking where you got that stat from though. I’d be genuinely surprised if a 52% career TS% is among the worst in NBA history at his position. That just can’t be. I genuinely want to see where you got this from.

We'll compare with Kendrick Perkins, who's considered to be the worst starting center of the 2010's.

Precious was still less efficient than him lol.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/achiupr01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

Was literally the worst in the league finishing around the rim at one point during the season, virtually impossible for a center.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=FGA*GE*6&DateFrom=10/30/2021&DateTo=11/11/2021&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=1&sort=FG_PCT

The improvements he made to go from one of the worst shooting centers in the league to becoming just simply "below average" is truly nuts. Hopefully he can keep up the trajectory.

You’re still not answering the question. You said he was one of the least efficient centers in NBA history. People are asking where you got that from. We aren’t asking for a comparison between him and Kendrick Perkins.

The dates you’re looking at are from October 30th to November 11th of the SAME year. A sample size of 7 games. What is that supposed to prove?

Bro, his TS% was worse than Cade's. You know how bad that is as a center ? Again, I'm not trying to lay it on Precious. I think he's the future 5 of our team but do you know how inefficient you have to be as a big to have a worse TS% than Cade ?

So yes, if you judge Precious against the field of every single center in NBA history, he's going to be among the bottom.

[Los_29]

We'll compare with Kendrick Perkins, who's considered to be the worst starting center of the 2010's.

Precious was still less efficient than him lol.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/achiupr01.html#all_shooting-playoffs_shooting

Was literally the worst in the league finishing around the rim at one point during the season, virtually impossible for a center.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=FGA*GE*6&DateFrom=10/30/2021&DateTo=11/11/2021&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=1&sort=FG_PCT

The improvements he made to go from one of the worst shooting centers in the league to becoming just simply "below average" is truly nuts. Hopefully he can keep up the trajectory.

You’re still not answering the question. You said he was one of the least efficient centers in NBA history. People are asking where you got that from. We aren’t asking for a comparison between him and Kendrick Perkins.

The dates you’re looking at are from October 30th to November 11th of the SAME year. A sample size of 7 games. What is that supposed to prove?

Bro, his TS% was worse than Cade's. You know how bad that is as a center ? Again, I'm not trying to lay it on Precious. I think he's the future 5 of our team but do you know how inefficient you have to be as a big to have a worse TS% than Cade ?

So yes, if you judge Precious against the field of every single center in NBA history, he's going to be among the bottom.

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

[HumbleRen]

You’re still not answering the question. You said he was one of the least efficient centers in NBA history. People are asking where you got that from. We aren’t asking for a comparison between him and Kendrick Perkins.

The dates you’re looking at are from October 30th to November 11th of the SAME year. A sample size of 7 games. What is that supposed to prove?

Bro, his TS% was worse than Cade's. You know how bad that is as a center ? Again, I'm not trying to lay it on Precious. I think he's the future 5 of our team but do you know how inefficient you have to be as a big to have a worse TS% than Cade ?

So yes, if you judge Precious against the field of every single center in NBA history, he's going to be among the bottom.

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Yes it's crazy lol.

Banton has made ton of strides but the jury is still out on him playing legitimate back up PG minutes with us.

Precious while is amazing on defence, is still one of the least efficient centers in nba history.

They're not in the same tier as Barnes and never will be but that's okay.

Not trying to be a jerk, but is this actually true? I feel like my eye test can name much worse offensive centers in NBA history?

it's hyperbole and completely fails to reflect the growth in precious' offensive game in his first and only season playing significant NBA minutes.

pre-all-star game his shooting splits were abysmal: 42/30/58 but after the break he made major strides, improving to 46/39/62 and improving his TS% from .467 to .552, which is basically league average

he's young and obviously still raw but also obviously improving. saying stuff like he's "still one of the least efficient centers in nba history" is just straight up hating

to the OP's point I do think draft spot impacts expectations and perceptions a lot, but scottie is still in a league of his own. at least at present. if either Precious or Banton could become a reliable 39% 3 point shooter then they would turn into extremely valuable players given their other significant strengths.

Certain people will always take a young players numbers, excuse half of them due to injuries or "improvement" or whatever and then say his post whatever, certain mumber of games only, inclusive numbers are true indicators of how he can play. Maybe it's true. Let's see. As will might say: Precious SZN.

[Los_29]

Bro, his TS% was worse than Cade's. You know how bad that is as a center ? Again, I'm not trying to lay it on Precious. I think he's the future 5 of our team but do you know how inefficient you have to be as a big to have a worse TS% than Cade ?

So yes, if you judge Precious against the field of every single center in NBA history, he's going to be among the bottom.

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Now you’re making assumptions based on his TS%. That’s still not evidence. Neither is focusing in on 7 game sample sizes over a span of 12 days lol.

[Johnny Bball]

What Banton has going for him is being a very tall PG and a good ball handler who can slash and score well.

He can’t score well though. Almost all his points/efficiency come from scoring in the paint off of transition or turnovers. He can’t shoot at all. He’s near useless in any half court setting.

If we're still saying this after year 3 or 4, you're right. But he was a 2nd round rookie who didn't play consistently.

His gleague stats last year were very encouraging, especially when it comes to shooting.

My guess is Banton settles this debate for everyone by midyear and then its obvious he's staying in this league a long time. I think he's made strides in distance shoointg and scoring and those are evident in the summer/preseason.

[lobosloboslobos]

Certain people will always take a young players numbers, excuse half of them due to injuries or "improvement" or whatever and then say his post whatever, certain mumber of games only, inclusive numbers are true indicators of how he can play. Maybe it's true. Let's see. As will might say: Precious SZN.

well, i think young players are filled with potential and what matters is their trajectory towards unlocking that potential, which is why significant improvement from the beginning to the end of a very young player's season is never just a 'whatever'. a poor beginning and an a solid end to a season don't cancel each other out for a 21 year old. the whole goal is being able to learn and improve under optimal coaching. precious did that. now it's about the next step in his trajectory. will he take it? how big will it be?

either way i agree that only time will tell, but making legit progress last year is a big deal. lots of players never take those steps.

[Spates]

Someone needs to figure out how to quantify basketball IQ. It's the most glaring distinction between these 3.

Dalano has a high BBIQ. Precious has the physical tools. Scottie has both.

Let's not under sell Banton's tools. He's 6'9 without a neck and he's lighting quick. The discrepancy between his g league impact and NBA production is in part because of his physical advantage in the development league.

[Young Moosehead]

Someone needs to figure out how to quantify basketball IQ. It's the most glaring distinction between these 3.

Dalano has a high BBIQ. Precious has the physical tools. Scottie has both.

Let's not under sell Banton's tools. He's 6'9 without a neck and he's lighting quick. The discrepancy between his g league impact and NBA production is in part because of his physical advantage in the development league.

Jesus. I hadn't noticed. He is like the anti-Bosh.

[Johnny Bball]

Bro, his TS% was worse than Cade's. You know how bad that is as a center ? Again, I'm not trying to lay it on Precious. I think he's the future 5 of our team but do you know how inefficient you have to be as a big to have a worse TS% than Cade ?

So yes, if you judge Precious against the field of every single center in NBA history, he's going to be among the bottom.

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

[Los_29]

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

We’ll have to look at some 7 game sample sizes to find out.

Draymond is a good example. Numerous years with a TS% under 50%.

[Spates]

Dalano has a high BBIQ. Precious has the physical tools. Scottie has both.

Let's not under sell Banton's tools. He's 6'9 without a neck and he's lighting quick. The discrepancy between his g league impact and NBA production is in part because of his physical advantage in the development league.

Jesus. I hadn't noticed. He is like the anti-Bosh.

He's permashrugged. Used to think he needed deep tissue shoulder work until I realized he's Dracula's natural nemesis.

[Wannabe MEP]

You STILL have yet to provide any evidence to support your claim that he’s one of the least efficient centers in NBA history.

You just can’t make statements as if they are facts when you have no idea if they are or not. That’s not how it works. Lol.

He's 10% below the average TS for centers my guy, it's simple math.

That makes him one of the least efficient centers in nba history if you compare him to the field. It's not like I'm saying he's in the bottom 10 or something. Is it a loaded statement ? Absolutely.

Is he right up there with Draymond Green in TS%?

Good point.

Precious TS% first two seasons:

• 55.0
• 50.3

Draymond TS% first two seasons:

• 40.4
• 49.8