Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Duffman100]

Duff thanks for stickying this

It was niQ!

[ATLTimekeeper]

I get the idea behind wanting to move GTJ, but there is also the reality that he is our best shooter and shot creator, and we are already so low on that to begin with, just so hard to see us moving him for that reason, IDK

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

[Duffman100]

I get the idea behind wanting to move GTJ, but there is also the reality that he is our best shooter and shot creator, and we are already so low on that to begin with, just so hard to see us moving him for that reason, IDK

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

Fournier is just such hot garbage. He's really really bad defensively. Maybe the FRP and Quickley would make that more palatable.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I get the idea behind wanting to move GTJ, but there is also the reality that he is our best shooter and shot creator, and we are already so low on that to begin with, just so hard to see us moving him for that reason, IDK

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

Fournier is just such hot garbage. He's really really bad defensively. Maybe the FRP and Quickley would make that more palatable.

Fournier I think is better than what he’s shown with the Knicks. But the biggest thing is getting a maxey type player who can actually defend and pass in quickley. Also another frp to get a solid prospect doesn’t hurt. We lean into our strengths which is drafting. Fournier will also be an expiring which should be somewhat beneficial next year.

[WuTang_CMB]

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Even a 26-15 second half would still likely have them navigating the Play-In Tournament.

would give us a 44-38 record

[Raptors_128]

Apparently, Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe said they wouldn’t be shocked if Trae Young was traded in the next 4 weeks on Bill’s podcast.

If the Raps still want to win-now then this is the move to make. If you can keep OG and Siakam out of the deal then it makes a lot of sense.

[Jermaine OBosh]

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

Fournier is just such hot garbage. He's really really bad defensively. Maybe the FRP and Quickley would make that more palatable.

Fournier I think is better than what he’s shown with the Knicks. But the biggest thing is getting a maxey type player who can actually defend and pass in quickley. Also another frp to get a solid prospect doesn’t hurt. We lean into our strengths which is drafting. Fournier will also be an expiring which should be somewhat beneficial next year.

If we are getting Fournier, Birch should be added to the deal.

[WuTang_CMB]

only one that might have legs is this one for trent

To Knicks: Trent
To Raptors: Derrick Rose (one year, $14.52 million, plus team option for 2023-24), Immanuel Quickley (two years, $6.49 million, RFA in 2024), worse of Mavericks/Knicks 2023 first-round pick

The Knicks view: I don’t see the Knicks doing this one, especially with the way Quickley is starting to turn it on. He’s become New York’s best team defender on the perimeter. Trent is a quality scorer and shooter. He can get hot. But I’m not sure that’s what the Knicks need, especially considering there’s a chance he could end up a rental if he chooses not to pick up his player option this summer. Quickley, on the other hand, is still on a rookie contract for the next year and a half. — Fred Katz

[InfraRedshaw]

I get the idea behind wanting to move GTJ, but there is also the reality that he is our best shooter and shot creator, and we are already so low on that to begin with, just so hard to see us moving him for that reason, IDK

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

Sorry, I should have specified perimeter shot creator, which is needed because it's harder to team defend on the perimeter than it is in the paint

Outside of GTJ who do you trust to even be able to get a clean outside shot off vs a man defender?

I get the idea of Quickley and hopefully Fournier doing that job, but I just feel like maybe we are overlooking how crucial what GTJ provides us is

[ATLTimekeeper]

I get the idea behind wanting to move GTJ, but there is also the reality that he is our best shooter and shot creator, and we are already so low on that to begin with, just so hard to see us moving him for that reason, IDK

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

Fournier is just such hot garbage. He's really really bad defensively. Maybe the FRP and Quickley would make that more palatable.

If he can't play anymore it's a tough pill, but just 10 million more than Birch and 2 more seasons of term. But, we've seen a lot of reclamation projects like this that have panned out. Batum was pretty much retired on Charlotte's bench. I don't even care about Quickley, and don't see him as anything close to Maxey, but it's just about adding more live bodies and shooters to the team to free up the floor for guys like Siakam and Barnes to go to work.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Sorry, I should have specified perimeter shot creator, which is needed because it's harder to team defend on the perimeter than it is in the paint

Outside of GTJ who do you trust to even be able to get a clean outside shot off vs a man defender?

I get the idea of Quickley and hopefully Fournier doing that job, but I just feel like maybe we are overlooking how crucial what GTJ provides us is

It's good for stopping runs, but they still have that problem with Gary. The motive for me would be to set up the future better rather than pay Gary or risk losing him for nothing.

[tecumseh18]

Apparently, Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe said they wouldn’t be shocked if Trae Young was traded in the next 4 weeks on Bill’s podcast.

If the Raps still want to win-now then this is the move to make. If you can keep OG and Siakam out of the deal then it makes a lot of sense.

"If"?

Raps are one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league, and are having problems defending at the point of attack against fast athletic guards.

Trae and his 31% 3-point shooting (less than Scottie's) this season will fit this team like a glove - but not exactly The Glove.

[InfraRedshaw]

Sorry, I should have specified perimeter shot creator, which is needed because it's harder to team defend on the perimeter than it is in the paint

Outside of GTJ who do you trust to even be able to get a clean outside shot off vs a man defender?

I get the idea of Quickley and hopefully Fournier doing that job, but I just feel like maybe we are overlooking how crucial what GTJ provides us is

It's good for stopping runs, but they still have that problem with Gary. The motive for me would be to set up the future better rather than pay Gary or risk losing him for nothing.

good in late shot clocks, good against good defences, good when you're not getting whistles, his game is what we need in the playoffs (if we can even get there this season)

I understand not wanting to let him walk for nothing, but I also don't see why we can't go into offseason and look to S+T or match

[mintsa]

Any deal involving Trae has Scottie going the other way…..

Is that what we want ? Does that accomplish anything…

[Duffman100]

Pascal is the best shot creator. It's not even close. He's proven to be the driver of offense on the team, but without spacing he's just always working too hard to get into his shots. I think the idea with Gary for Fournier/Quickley is that you get a worse version of Gary but at a fixed cost, that can come off the bench without pouting, and then you make them pay a FRP to take Fournier's $ off their books.

Fournier is just such hot garbage. He's really really bad defensively. Maybe the FRP and Quickley would make that more palatable.

Fournier I think is better than what he’s shown with the Knicks. But the biggest thing is getting a maxey type player who can actually defend and pass in quickley. Also another frp to get a solid prospect doesn’t hurt. We lean into our strengths which is drafting. Fournier will also be an expiring which should be somewhat beneficial next year.

The difference is Maxey can shoot, Quickley can't. He's 23 and slashing 41/32/81. And that 3P% has declined year over year in the league.

I dont' hate the deal... Just want to ensure the expectations of quickley and fournier are on the table.

[Slim Charless]

Especially that Knicks deal. Real gross.

Out of curiosity, would you guys do the trade if we swapped out Ayton for CamJo? He's locked up and fills a need at center. I think the pick could be this year, but since we're in a tenuous spot that pick would need to be protected. Probably top 5 at least. We'd need filler as the caps don't match. I assume Boucher, Koloko and taking OPJ off your hands.

So you want O.G. - one of the best defenders in the league if not THE best, a better version of Mikal Bridges - plus Boucher, Koloko and OPJ, for Ayton (who looked terrible against us a few weeks ago)? No thanks!

But I may not be the best person to ask, because I don't even like Ayton. At least we know Koloko can hit 3s. At a max contract, DA's probably not what our management is looking for, or a sign and trade would have been consummated last summer.

We're not trading O.G. (unless someone offers a Gobert type deal). Of our core players, he matches Scottie's timeline the best.

Well i was framing it off the question from the article, which said CamJo originally. I'm asking if us changing out him makes it better......

[Spida888]

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Even a 26-15 second half would still likely have them navigating the Play-In Tournament.

would give us a 44-38 record

Some proposed trades from the article:

To Magic: VanVleet and Khem Birch (two years, $13.65 million remaining)
To Raptors: Cole Anthony (two years, $9.15 million remaining, likely RFA in 2024), Mo Bamba (two years, $20.6 million), Terrence Ross (one year, $11.5 million) and a top-8 protected 2023 first-round pick

To Lakers: VanVleet
To Raptors: Patrick Beverley (one year, $13 million), Kendrick Nunn (one year, $5.25 million), Max Christie (two years, $2.74 million, RFA in 2024) and a 2027 first-round pick

To Mavericks: VanVleet
To Raptors: Josh Green (two years, $7.86 million), Davis Bertans (three years, $49 million, including player option for 2024-25) and a 2025 first-round pick

To Knicks: Trent
To Raptors: Derrick Rose (one year, $14.52 million, plus team option for 2023-24), Immanuel Quickley (two years, $6.49 million, RFA in 2024), worse of Mavericks/Knicks 2023 first-round pick

To Clippers: Trent
To Raptors: Terance Mann (three years, $23.9 million), Luke Kennard (two years, $28.51 million, plus team option for 2024-25), 2028 first-round pick

To Lakers: Trent and Juancho Hernangomez (one year, $1.84 million)
To Raptors: Beverley, Nunn, Christie and a 2027 top-8 protected first-round pick

To Lakers: VanVleet, Trent and Chris Boucher (three years, $35.25 million)
To Raptors: Russell Westbrook (one year, $47.06 million), Christie, 2027 and 2029 first-round picks

[Rodrickle]

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Even a 26-15 second half would still likely have them navigating the Play-In Tournament.

would give us a 44-38 record

Some proposed trades from the article:

To Magic: VanVleet and Khem Birch (two years, $13.65 million remaining)
To Raptors: Cole Anthony (two years, $9.15 million remaining, likely RFA in 2024), Mo Bamba (two years, $20.6 million), Terrence Ross (one year, $11.5 million) and a top-8 protected 2023 first-round pick

To Lakers: VanVleet
To Raptors: Patrick Beverley (one year, $13 million), Kendrick Nunn (one year, $5.25 million), Max Christie (two years, $2.74 million, RFA in 2024) and a 2027 first-round pick

To Mavericks: VanVleet
To Raptors: Josh Green (two years, $7.86 million), Davis Bertans (three years, $49 million, including player option for 2024-25) and a 2025 first-round pick

To Knicks: Trent
To Raptors: Derrick Rose (one year, $14.52 million, plus team option for 2023-24), Immanuel Quickley (two years, $6.49 million, RFA in 2024), worse of Mavericks/Knicks 2023 first-round pick

To Clippers: Trent
To Raptors: Terance Mann (three years, $23.9 million), Luke Kennard (two years, $28.51 million, plus team option for 2024-25), 2028 first-round pick

To Lakers: Trent and Juancho Hernangomez (one year, $1.84 million)
To Raptors: Beverley, Nunn, Christie and a 2027 top-8 protected first-round pick

To Lakers: VanVleet, Trent and Chris Boucher (three years, $35.25 million)
To Raptors: Russell Westbrook (one year, $47.06 million), Christie, 2027 and 2029 first-round picks

The mavericks would be insane to turn down that deal. No way we would do that

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[Rodrickle]

Fournier is just such hot garbage. He's really really bad defensively. Maybe the FRP and Quickley would make that more palatable.

Fournier I think is better than what he’s shown with the Knicks. But the biggest thing is getting a maxey type player who can actually defend and pass in quickley. Also another frp to get a solid prospect doesn’t hurt. We lean into our strengths which is drafting. Fournier will also be an expiring which should be somewhat beneficial next year.

The difference is Maxey can shoot, Quickley can't. He's 23 and slashing 41/32/81. And that 3P% has declined year over year in the league.

I dont' hate the deal... Just want to ensure the expectations of quickley and fournier are on the table.

Quickley was a sharpshooter in college. Yes 3pt% has declined but its still not terrible. As a starter he's shooting similar to Trent this year. Not to mention he's a hell of a defender which Nurse will love. But of course he wouldn't start here.

But he would be good insurance if we don't want to pay Fred what he wants as well. Also when's the last time we had a competent backup guard? Maybe Fred needs some competition to up his play.

But I'm not convinced NY wants to include the pick and shed Fournier. Its not like they're in cap hell and they wouldnt get cap space from this. Could be wrong though and I would definitely take this deal with a pick even if Fournier rots on the bench.

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[Smalltown]

The mavericks would be insane to turn down that deal. No way we would do that

I don't think we'd do any of those deals. I think something around Trent to the Knicks is the most plausible.

To Knicks: Trent + Birch + (2nd)
To Raptors: Fournier, Immanuel Quickley, Cam Reddish + Pick(s)