GT: Raptors @ Warriors - Fri Jan 27 - 10pm TSN

[Fairview4Life]

Fred’s fga should be a lot lower. lol

Why? lol.

Hes one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

Not anymore. And using FGA/FG% to indicate too many shots ignores fouls and threes, etc.

[Mikistan]

Yet as fans we do it anyway, what is your point?

As a fan of the Toronto Raptors, you feel sick because you for some reason feel forced to cheer for a team that you aren't a fan of?

FFS, just watch the game and cheer for the team you profess to be a fan of. Then celebrate the outcome (or don't) afterwards.

Honestly this season has been fun.

When we win, most of the time its because Scottie has played really well. Hes the most important piece going forward.

When we lose, we improve our chances at a top 5 pick in a stacked draft.

Not sure why everyone is so salty all the time. Your expectations should have been low at the beginning of the season anyways.

Maybe it's because people don't like being told how to be a fan.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Fred’s fga should be a lot lower. lol

Why? lol.

Hes one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

Depends how u look at it. The numbers may say that sure, but it’s purely due to the shot decision. He is taking curry-like attempts and only curry can make those shots work more times than not. Maybe lillard too. If he takes better shots I guarantee the % would be drastically different

[Duffman100]

As a fan of the Toronto Raptors, you feel sick because you for some reason feel forced to cheer for a team that you aren't a fan of?

FFS, just watch the game and cheer for the team you profess to be a fan of. Then celebrate the outcome (or don't) afterwards.

Honestly this season has been fun.

When we win, most of the time its because Scottie has played really well. Hes the most important piece going forward.

When we lose, we improve our chances at a top 5 pick in a stacked draft.

Not sure why everyone is so salty all the time. Your expectations should have been low at the beginning of the season anyways.

Maybe it's because people don't like being told how to be a fan.

Last time I checked, not cheering for the other team was pretty much table stakes for being a fan.

[tripa]

As a fan of the Toronto Raptors, you feel sick because you for some reason feel forced to cheer for a team that you aren't a fan of?

FFS, just watch the game and cheer for the team you profess to be a fan of. Then celebrate the outcome (or don't) afterwards.

Honestly this season has been fun.

When we win, most of the time its because Scottie has played really well. Hes the most important piece going forward.

When we lose, we improve our chances at a top 5 pick in a stacked draft.

Not sure why everyone is so salty all the time. Your expectations should have been low at the beginning of the season anyways.

Maybe it's because people don't like being told how to be a fan.

Thats also true.

[tripa]

Why? lol.

Hes one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

Depends how u look at it. The numbers may say that sure, but it’s purely due to the shot decision. He is taking curry-like attempts and only curry can make those shots work more times than not. Maybe lillard too. If he takes better shots I guarantee the % would be drastically different

Who cares? We live in reality and in reality hes taking those shots. I genuinely dont get what your point is.

This is like Duffman and others pointing out that he sometimes takes buzzer beaters from fullcourt so his shooting numbers should be higher. Nobody held a gun to his head and told him to shoot. You guys sound crazy.

[tripa]

Tonight Steph will hit a 3 and then Fred will immediately race back up the court to shoot a brick from 40 feet. Somehow people here wont see it as a bad shot because our expectations for him are that low.

[Fairview4Life]

Hes one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

Depends how u look at it. The numbers may say that sure, but it’s purely due to the shot decision. He is taking curry-like attempts and only curry can make those shots work more times than not. Maybe lillard too. If he takes better shots I guarantee the % would be drastically different

Who cares? We live in reality and in reality hes taking those shots. I genuinely dont get what your point is.

This is like Duffman and others pointing out that he sometimes takes buzzer beaters from fullcourt so his shooting numbers should be higher. Nobody held a gun to his head and told him to shoot. You guys sound crazy.

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

[Duffman100]

Hes one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

Depends how u look at it. The numbers may say that sure, but it’s purely due to the shot decision. He is taking curry-like attempts and only curry can make those shots work more times than not. Maybe lillard too. If he takes better shots I guarantee the % would be drastically different

Who cares? We live in reality and in reality hes taking those shots. I genuinely dont get what your point is.

This is like Duffman and others pointing out that he sometimes takes buzzer beaters from fullcourt so his shooting numbers should be higher. Nobody held a gun to his head and told him to shoot. You guys sound crazy.

It is relevant though. As I pointed out, Fred is the only player that goes through a granular play-by-play breakdown of his game. Let's be consistent about that.

So if Fred is 6-14 from the field, but 1 shot was an inbound with .8 on the clock and two others were half court end of the quarter heaves, it's relevant.

In all reality, Fred is then 6-11 in shooting. And in a way we should applaud him for launching shots that have an incredibly low % in going in with no time left, because he clearly cares about it MAYBE going in than preserving his shooting % (aka Lebron).

[will]

Shots fired!

[tripa]

Depends how u look at it. The numbers may say that sure, but it’s purely due to the shot decision. He is taking curry-like attempts and only curry can make those shots work more times than not. Maybe lillard too. If he takes better shots I guarantee the % would be drastically different

Who cares? We live in reality and in reality hes taking those shots. I genuinely dont get what your point is.

This is like Duffman and others pointing out that he sometimes takes buzzer beaters from fullcourt so his shooting numbers should be higher. Nobody held a gun to his head and told him to shoot. You guys sound crazy.

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

[tdotrep2]

Who cares? We live in reality and in reality hes taking those shots. I genuinely dont get what your point is.

This is like Duffman and others pointing out that he sometimes takes buzzer beaters from fullcourt so his shooting numbers should be higher. Nobody held a gun to his head and told him to shoot. You guys sound crazy.

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

its clock work after every first quarter dudes shot the most shots in the game, every time. And if he has a decent shooting percentage after the first he'll keep shooting, if not he'll taper off a bit and wait for his opportunity to try and take over the game again. Its the same story every game.

[will]

The Golden State Warriors look to get back on track with the recent return of Wardell Stephen Curry II, as they make a push towards the playoffs. Playoffs? Playoffs?!?!?!?!?!


(My attempt to keep this thread on track. Yes, backseat moderations)

[will]

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

its clock work after every first quarter dudes shot the most shots in the game, every time. And if he has a decent shooting percentage after the first he'll keep shooting, if not he'll taper off a bit and wait for his opportunity to try and take over the game again. Its the same story every game.

Watch on YouTube

[tdotrep2]

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

its clock work after every first quarter dudes shot the most shots in the game, every time. And if he has a decent shooting percentage after the first he'll keep shooting, if not he'll taper off a bit and wait for his opportunity to try and take over the game again. Its the same story every game.

Watch on YouTube

the dude gets curry/dame treatment here... even tho we **** clearly have a better player than him in siakam, but some how every game starts off with seeing if its a fred show are not.

[Fairview4Life]

Who cares? We live in reality and in reality hes taking those shots. I genuinely dont get what your point is.

This is like Duffman and others pointing out that he sometimes takes buzzer beaters from fullcourt so his shooting numbers should be higher. Nobody held a gun to his head and told him to shoot. You guys sound crazy.

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

He isn't leading the team in shot attempts. He's second on the team in USG% (significantly below Pascal), but only 0.3% above GTJ and a whole bunch of guys like Scottie, OG and Precious clustered a few % below them. And that usage has been decreasing every month with Siakam healthy and other guys shooting better now.

[tripa]

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

He isn't leading the team in shot attempts. He's second on the team in USG% (significantly below Pascal), but only 0.3% above GTJ and a whole bunch of guys like Scottie, OG and Precious clustered a few % below them. And that usage has been decreasing every month with Siakam healthy and other guys shooting better now.

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Did you miss the last page? Or are you trying to rewrite the definition of a “shot” just to troll? Either way please stop quoting me, thanks.

[tdotrep2]

His shooting recovered in December and has been fine all January. He started the year terribly from 3 but is no longer one of the worst shooters in the league.

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

He isn't leading the team in shot attempts. He's second on the team in USG% (significantly below Pascal), but only 0.3% above GTJ and a whole bunch of guys like Scottie, OG and Precious clustered a few % below them. And that usage has been decreasing every month with Siakam healthy and other guys shooting better now.

now the next step is to have someone other than him being the primary ballhandler, we dont need him at the top of the 3pt line getting 2 or 3 touchers every possession. Its much better if hes the one getting the kick out then the other way around. He doesn't do anything particularly with the ball and the stuff he actually does a lot of guys on our team can do. He doesnt set up an offence, he doesnt break down his defender and if he gets in the paint by some miracle the options he has on the kick out are not the best. He really doesnt need to be on the ball... like at all, ever.

[Fairview4Life]

its clock work after every first quarter dudes shot the most shots in the game, every time. And if he has a decent shooting percentage after the first he'll keep shooting, if not he'll taper off a bit and wait for his opportunity to try and take over the game again. Its the same story every game.

First quarter FGA's/Game:
Fred: 4.7
Pascal: 5.4
Scottie: 3.7
GTJ: 3.8
OG 3.6

That's fairly well distributed, and also ignores when players get fouled, which the other guys do a little more than Fred, hiding some of their FGA's, but probably not enough to worry about.

[Fairview4Life]

Again, who cares? He shouldnt be leading the team in shot attempts in a season like this.

He isn't leading the team in shot attempts. He's second on the team in USG% (significantly below Pascal), but only 0.3% above GTJ and a whole bunch of guys like Scottie, OG and Precious clustered a few % below them. And that usage has been decreasing every month with Siakam healthy and other guys shooting better now.

?????????????????

Did you miss the last page? Or are you trying to rewrite the definition of a “shot” just to troll? Either way please stop quoting me, thanks.

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...even if we just looked at FGA's, he isn't leading the team. Did you miss the last page? But beyond that, FGA's do not register shots that miss when a player is fouled. Other dudes get fouled more than Fred and have their FGA's hidden in that way. For example, Pascal shoots a foul shot for ~43% of his field goal attempts. Fred's at ~27%. Using a combined stat like usg% is generally a better way to figure out who is actually ending up with the most offensive possessions for a team. It also includes turnovers etc. that FGA's also don't account for.