Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[ATLTimekeeper]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

[Duffman100]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

[StopitLeo]

Just do OG for Turner

I wouldn't do a one for one like that. Also, OG has to be as close to untouchable as Raps get besides Scottie.

OG untouchable? OG is our best trade asset if we are trying to remain competitive. He has enough value that he could actually return a player that can help Pascal on the offensive end. There just isn’t a good trade partner at the moment.

[Tripod]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

7 footer
Still only 24 years old
Can hit a 3 pointer, so spaces the floor more than a Jakob P
Has a club option for next year so short commitment
That 1 year gives Koloko more time to develop...can play in 905 for bigger minutes
Cheap....costs half as much as Jakob

[fbalmeida]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

He's a young big with positive defensive metrics and can shoot the three. I'm sure there are drawbacks to his game, but well coached he can become a very impactful player.

[douggood]

bamba can be had on the cheap, banton + filler(thad expiring) for bamba should do it

dont waste the potential return of FVV from another team on him

[Duffman100]

This is horrendous.

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

7 footer
Still only 24 years old
Can hit a 3 pointer, so spaces the floor more than a Jakob P
Has a club option for next year so short commitment
That 1 year gives Koloko more time to develop...can play in 905 for bigger minutes
Cheap....costs half as much as Jakob

And it's not the least bit alarming the the Magic acquired CarterJr to take this role, reduced his minutes this year and didn't lock him up long term?

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/tbvscb/whats_the_matter_with_mo_bamba/

Just one of the many posts I've found that aligns with what I've seen when watching. When I see 'motor issues' mentioned consistently, I tend to get wary.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

This is horrendous.

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

7 footer
Still only 24 years old
Can hit a 3 pointer, so spaces the floor more than a Jakob P
Has a club option for next year so short commitment
That 1 year gives Koloko more time to develop...can play in 905 for bigger minutes
Cheap....costs half as much as Jakob

Don’t forget lazy.

[Madvillainy2004]

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

7 footer
Still only 24 years old
Can hit a 3 pointer, so spaces the floor more than a Jakob P
Has a club option for next year so short commitment
That 1 year gives Koloko more time to develop...can play in 905 for bigger minutes
Cheap....costs half as much as Jakob

Don’t forget lazy.

Don't forget he has a song as well.

[Fairview4Life]

When I see 'motor issues' mentioned consistently, I tend to get wary.

"Mohamed, welcome to the Raptors. There's someone we'd like you to meet."

[RapsFanInOhio]

They need to move VanVleet. Someone’s going to over a pretty good deal for him even if he is a free agent, and it’s an opportunity to get more assets than you’re going to get in a S&T over the summer.

I don’t think it’s a guarantee that he’s moved at the deadline (similar to Kyle) and I have moderate confidence that we can make a S&T work in some capacity but I would much rather move him now for two reasons:
- Someone is going to pay you more now.
- Whatever we get back is likely going to be a package of players. You give yourself a few months of evaluation with those guys and the rest of the core before the off-season.

[RapsFanInOhio]

There are better centers available in the draft than Bamba. He’s the piece you settle for in a S&T deal over the summer.

[sidsid]

Just do OG for Turner

I wouldn't do a one for one like that. Also, OG has to be as close to untouchable as Raps get besides Scottie.

OG untouchable? OG is our best trade asset if we are trying to remain competitive. He has enough value that he could actually return a player that can help Pascal on the offensive end. There just isn’t a good trade partner at the moment.

The player that can help Siakam will be a star/superstar. That's the trade that will be enticing for OG. That's the only type of trade in our current situation that you truly entertain for him (the KD rumours this summer), unless you know he's planning on leaving, then you can do these 4 quarters for a dollar trades that are likely floating around.

The cobbled together scraps trade packages are suitable for players like Fred and Gary, who don't carry anywhere near the trade value OG does, especially in a star trade.

[Fairview4Life]

I'm hopeful that the wide open nature of the standings and the overall parity of the league this year has some teams starting to dream big and the price of the brick continues to rise over before the deadline. A rental might not seem so outlandish to spend draft capital on if you think it puts you into contention.

[Ackshun]

Regardless of shortcomings, would much rather Bamba for a 2nd rounder and some end of bench type trade scenario, then give up Gary or Fred Poetl.

We are deep on the 6-9 lineup so this acquired big man is likely playing 20-22 mpg at best. It at least buys us some time.

Never mind giving up two first round picks

[StopitLeo]

I wouldn't do a one for one like that. Also, OG has to be as close to untouchable as Raps get besides Scottie.

OG untouchable? OG is our best trade asset if we are trying to remain competitive. He has enough value that he could actually return a player that can help Pascal on the offensive end. There just isn’t a good trade partner at the moment.

The player that can help Siakam will be a star/superstar. That's the trade that will be enticing for OG. That's the only type of trade in our current situation that you truly entertain for him (the KD rumours this summer), unless you know he's planning on leaving, then you can do these 4 quarters for a dollar trades that are likely floating around.

The cobbled together scraps trade packages are suitable for players like Fred and Gary, who don't carry anywhere near the trade value OG does, especially in a star trade.

I agree 100%.

[slicedbread2]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

Honestly the Raptors need a multiple team deal which is unlikely. The Magic wouldn't give up a CHI 23 1st however if you could get a DEN 25 1st(Orlando got it in the Aaron Gordon trade) that'd be more enticing and perhaps you could get Miami to join in and do a deal with San Antonio for the following:

Orlando: Fred VanVleet
Miami: Khem Birch, Moe Bamba
Toronto: Jakob Poeltl, Doug McDermott, Josh Richardson
San Antonio: Duncan Robinson, Terrence Ross, Thaddeus Young, R.J. Hampton, 3 1sts(MIA 23 1st, DEN 25 1st, TOR 23 1st(all lotto pro.)) maybe Miami throws in a prospect and a future pick swap as well due to Robinson's deal being toxic. Maybe throw in Jovic I dunno.

-Orlando has been rumoured to be interested in getting a 3+D guard in Fred and they have their eyes on him for whatever reason. Fred wants the bag and honestly the Raps should part with him if it comes down to this.
-This is very light for what Miami is giving up in terms of getting out of one of the worse contracts in the league but if it costs them a 1st then I think they do it not to mention that Birch and Bamba are extra bodies that can be thrown around even though they play the same position as Dedmon and Bam
-Toronto gets a much needed boost for their bench as 3pt shooting has been a major sore spot for them all year long while Jakob is a familiar face that'll work well with OG and Pascal. Getting a legit 7ft guy to play here will be better than what's happening in SA. They also get the bird rights of all 3 players and add depth to a team badly needing it.
-San Antonio eats a bad contract in Robinson but they cash in on him and get some draft capital in this year's draft+the future. Robinson's last year has a team option for $10M and the Spurs aren't going anywhere for the next few years. If they somehow get Wemby then Robinson's deal expires before Wemby's rookie deal ends.

Raps stay under the tax along with all the other teams. They may have to send out an additional player and that could very well be Flynn as he most likely needs a fresh start elsewhere.

Unlikely to happen of course but anything can change.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

I agree with you. I believe in a mix of known quantities and picks over straight picks. Even unprotected picks are overvalued in a way because people seem to treat them as definite top 10 picks when they could just as easily be late 1st round. You can guess at team's outlooks years down the line but really they are like an outside chance at getting a lottery ticket.

You can bet Masai feels the same way. I'm sure our FO have young guys they are comfortable with and have both draft and NBA data on, and then the picks are more high risk assets (or can be used in future trades).

I would also guess Masai places a much higher value on 2023-2025 FRPs because they present less risk and they're likely to have prospects in those drafts that they're already tracking.

That's why NO makes so much sense.

Daniels and Murphy are known, projectable prospects, and they have a 2023 FRP from the Lakers that should be in and around the lottery. Add in a NO's own pick from 2023-2025 and you have the basis of a deal.

I mean if it happened imo that would be a dream come true trade if you somehow pulled off Murphy, Daniels & LAL pick, that's just a homerrun. But if I'm brutally honest I'd think it would be more so Daniels/Jones OR Murphy + LAL pick with top 1 or 2 protection and to me, I'd still be more than happy with that as a return personally (maybe you push for NOP's pick too if you're picky). Because while neither guy is obviously as good as OG now, I can see a world with more development/opportunity where either COULD (not saying guaranteed) end up being even better than OG PLUS you get a pick, even if you don't get a shot at VIctor (or maybe not Scoot either), to me it's still pretty amazing if the picked jumped up to 3-4 where you ALSO drafted one of Amen or Miller, I think most likely Lakers fall short (Suns & GSW are 7-8th now, and both teams but especially PHX are just trying to get healthy again, same with MIN).

I know same can be said with the Lakers but I just flat out don't trust AD's health until proven otherwise. So I think most likely scenario that pick is somewhere between 10-14th, there's still likely guys like maybe Black, Wallace, who knows if we're lucky maybe Walker. But the worst case is 15-17, there's still gonna be guys like Howard, Ware, Sensabaugh, Whitehead, Lewis, Murray. Plenty of opportunity to drat another kid with some decent potential and that's WORST case and it's basically a free EXTRA opportunity because we'd still have our own high pick which who's to say you can't package to move up?! lol there's just such little downside to the move.

So yeah the dream trade is getting all of those things but even if there's some "modifications", the result could still turn out pretty damn good.

Agreed completely.

I was actually just giving examples of assets Masai would covet as part of a deal - and there are lots of good ones in NO! Not sure what the eventual blend becomes, but I also see very little downside, unless we're assuming Masai/Bobby are dead wrong about Murphy, a lottery pick, and a future lottery pick (as an example). I trust them to do their homework enough that'd they'd hit on Murphy (or one of Daniels/Jones if they go that route), and at least one of the two lottery picks. In my mind, it's a no-brainer given the skillset of our FO.

Masai/Bobby/Nick built a championship winning team with scraps from other organizations and late picks... imagine what they could do with high lottery picks and other lottery talents!

[whatisacenter]

Warriors fan here. Do you guys think your team would entertain a Wiseman, Moody and Rollins/PBJ package as matching salary for OG. I'm assuming there would be pick compensation from GS included as well.

This poo poo platter is suitable for the trades/transaction board, not the Raptors forum where we have serious and insightful conversations.

That’s cool, I actually like the Warriors players in the package I mentioned but thought they would at least be salary ballast and would include pick compensation. Good luck the rest of the season after tonight.

[Pointgod]

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

7 footer
Still only 24 years old
Can hit a 3 pointer, so spaces the floor more than a Jakob P
Has a club option for next year so short commitment
That 1 year gives Koloko more time to develop...can play in 905 for bigger minutes
Cheap....costs half as much as Jakob

And it's not the least bit alarming the the Magic acquired CarterJr to take this role, reduced his minutes this year and didn't lock him up long term?

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/tbvscb/whats_the_matter_with_mo_bamba/

Just one of the many posts I've found that aligns with what I've seen when watching. When I see 'motor issues' mentioned consistently, I tend to get wary.

I think it’s unfair to say the Magic brought in WCJ to replace a 3rd year player. Bamba and WCJ played together last season and Bamba put up 11,8, 2 blocks and 1.5 3’s on 48/38/78 shooting splits in 25 minutes as a starter beside WCJ. He also had a plus DPM. Magic traded for WCJ because they got a pretty insane amount of assets for a guy who was never leading them past the first round.

Magic not resigning Bamba to a long term contract has more to do with Magic’s incompetence than anything else. At the end of the day Bamba fits everything we’re doing here (length, athleticism, plus defensive player) and addresses a need (size, rebounding, 3 point shooting). Concerns with his motor and focus are legit but I’d like to see him outside of a mediocre organization like the Magic before passing judgement. Not to make a one for one comparison but people said the same thing about Andrew Wiggins until he was in a winning organization.