2023 Draft Discussion Part III

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I have a feeling Masai would take Coulibaly before he would take Keyonte George.

[Yallbecrazy]

How do you guys feel about gg Jackson?

He has some warts in his game (decision making, inefficient, tunnel vision) but still only 18 and shows some real nice ball skills at 6'8-6'9.



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He’s gonna be like a 3-4 year project but if he pans out he’ll be amazing. His physicals are ideal for the modern superstar and he kept showing these offensive flashes that makes you think what if.

People are making a big deal about his “character issues” (he complained about not getting more touches in a specific game on social media). To me that indicates he’s hungry and wants to contribute/help. That combined with his awful stats might make him a late 1st rounder.

It’s a very risky pick. He could easily not become anything but imo it might be worth the risk, I’d rather we go for the home run pick if there isn’t anyone intriguing at the range we’re at.

He's really bad at basketball right now, sure he's young and athletic, so I guess there's potential. Way more often than not he won't be in the league in 4 years so he's a hard pass.

[720]

I have a feeling Masai would take Coulibaly before he would take Keyonte George.

Keyonte for sure isn’t a Masai type pick. If we did pick him I would be happy because that means he must have had an EPIC workout for the team prior to the draft.

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How do you guys feel about gg Jackson?

He has some warts in his game (decision making, inefficient, tunnel vision) but still only 18 and shows some real nice ball skills at 6'8-6'9.



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He’s gonna be like a 3-4 year project but if he pans out he’ll be amazing. His physicals are ideal for the modern superstar and he kept showing these offensive flashes that makes you think what if.

People are making a big deal about his “character issues” (he complained about not getting more touches in a specific game on social media). To me that indicates he’s hungry and wants to contribute/help. That combined with his awful stats might make him a late 1st rounder.

It’s a very risky pick. He could easily not become anything but imo it might be worth the risk, I’d rather we go for the home run pick if there isn’t anyone intriguing at the range we’re at.

He's really bad at basketball right now, sure he's young and athletic, so I guess there's potential. Way more often than not he won't be in the league in 4 years so he's a hard pass.

We’re a risk averse franchise so he won’t be our pick. We’ll probably pick a 22 year old or someone that’s good at defense. But about his skill as a player.

For me, it’s more about the fact that he reclassified. He was literally 17 years old for a part of the season. Giving a 17 year old 31 percent usage at a division 1 program can set him up for failure. His role was too big. Despite that, he showed promise multiple moments throughout the season as a potential future prospect.

He’s a risk and odds are he won’t pan out. But if I’m one of those teams picking at the bottom of the 1st round, I’d rather have 7 years of control over a prospect like him than say a low ceiling safe pick.

[Yallbecrazy]

He’s gonna be like a 3-4 year project but if he pans out he’ll be amazing. His physicals are ideal for the modern superstar and he kept showing these offensive flashes that makes you think what if.

People are making a big deal about his “character issues” (he complained about not getting more touches in a specific game on social media). To me that indicates he’s hungry and wants to contribute/help. That combined with his awful stats might make him a late 1st rounder.

It’s a very risky pick. He could easily not become anything but imo it might be worth the risk, I’d rather we go for the home run pick if there isn’t anyone intriguing at the range we’re at.

He's really bad at basketball right now, sure he's young and athletic, so I guess there's potential. Way more often than not he won't be in the league in 4 years so he's a hard pass.

We’re a risk averse franchise so he won’t be our pick. We’ll probably pick a 22 year old or someone that’s good at defense. But about his skill as a player.

For me, it’s more about the fact that he reclassified. He was literally 17 years old for a part of the season. Giving a 17 year old 31 percent usage at a division 1 program can set him up for failure. His role was too big. Despite that, he showed promise multiple moments throughout the season as future prospect.

He’s a risk and odds are he won’t pan out. But if I’m one of those teams picking at the bottom of the 1st round, I’d rather have 7 years of control over a prospect like him than say a low ceiling safe pick.

He had over 3x the turnovers as assists, his bpm was negative. I want to at least see that someone is a top 1-3% college player depending on age and tools before I put them on a pro team, let alone a bottom 50% player.

edit: there are 358 divison 1 college teams, conservatively 8 players per team get playing time. That means of the 2800 players that played this past year GG Jackson ranked below average. I understand that the top players bring up the average so the majority of college players will have a negative bpm, I just don't think it's wise to draft anyone outside the top 100, let alone around 1000 even if they are really young.

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He's really bad at basketball right now, sure he's young and athletic, so I guess there's potential. Way more often than not he won't be in the league in 4 years so he's a hard pass.

We’re a risk averse franchise so he won’t be our pick. We’ll probably pick a 22 year old or someone that’s good at defense. But about his skill as a player.

For me, it’s more about the fact that he reclassified. He was literally 17 years old for a part of the season. Giving a 17 year old 31 percent usage at a division 1 program can set him up for failure. His role was too big. Despite that, he showed promise multiple moments throughout the season as future prospect.

He’s a risk and odds are he won’t pan out. But if I’m one of those teams picking at the bottom of the 1st round, I’d rather have 7 years of control over a prospect like him than say a low ceiling safe pick.

He had over 3x the turnovers as assists, his bpm was negative. I want to at least see that someone is a top 1-3% college player depending on age and tools before I put them on a pro team, let alone a bottom 50% player.

Obviously when you’re such a huge focal point of a team’s program your numbers are going to get effected heavily if the team doesn’t perform.

In the league I can see him being a G League player for a couple seasons. But the tools are there.

I think he’ll go late 1st round early 2nd round.

[Dalek]

I have a feeling Masai would take Coulibaly before he would take Keyonte George.

Those are my two top picks for where we are at. George for me is the shotmaker / shotcreator that is going to be great with NBA spacing. I just can't see too many holes, he even competes on defense and has a better passing game than the raw numbers suggest. To me, he could be James Harden like.

Coulibaly is special but he will take time. More of the Masai pick and they are more likely to lean unconventional and non American. He fits the type while George fits the need.

[Mark_83]

1) DET - WEMBY
2) HOU - SCOOT
3) SAS - BRANDON MILLER
4) CHA - AMEN THOMPSON
5) ORL - JARACE WALKER
6) POR - ANTHONY BLACK
7) IND - CAM WHITMORE
8) WAS - CASON WALLACE
9) UTA - AUSAR THOMPSON
10) DAL - GRADEY DICK
11) ORL - TAYLOR HENDRICKS
12) NOP - NICK SMITH JR
13) OKC - JETT HOWARD
14) TOR - ???

That’s just a quick mock I laid out trying to think who we’d pick if we were in this position. All the favourites like Walker, Wallace, Black, Dick, and Hendricks are off the board. I’d strongly consider Podz, Sasser, Bufkin, Hawkins, or Filipowski at this spot.

If that's how the board falls I'm taking Coulibaly and calling it a day. I would also consider Riley Kugel if he enters the draft, Bufkin, Lively, or Murray. If we trade down a bit Hawkins, Jones, Podziemski, Whitehead, or Cissoko enter my consideration.

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Interesting. Proctor can declare while keeping his college eligibility intact.

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Raptor Mgmt should consider inviting Jordan Miller to summer league. 3D potential.

[WuTang_CMB]

If all of the top 15 go, I'd probably look to trade back and draft Colby Jones. Intelligent guard with size and can get to his spots. 3 years in a good Xavier program who really improved this season.

[YogurtProducer]

He’s gonna be like a 3-4 year project but if he pans out he’ll be amazing. His physicals are ideal for the modern superstar and he kept showing these offensive flashes that makes you think what if.

People are making a big deal about his “character issues” (he complained about not getting more touches in a specific game on social media). To me that indicates he’s hungry and wants to contribute/help. That combined with his awful stats might make him a late 1st rounder.

It’s a very risky pick. He could easily not become anything but imo it might be worth the risk, I’d rather we go for the home run pick if there isn’t anyone intriguing at the range we’re at.

He's really bad at basketball right now, sure he's young and athletic, so I guess there's potential. Way more often than not he won't be in the league in 4 years so he's a hard pass.

We’re a risk averse franchise

Are we?

Drafted Bruno Caboclo at 20 who was a massive project. Drafted OG who had injury concerns at 23. Drafted Siakam at 27 who was way off the board. Traded Demar, a 1st, and Yak for Kawhi which was one of the biggest risks in franchise history. Held onto Lowry at the deadline which was a risk to lose him for nothing. Took Barnes which was the "off the board" pick.

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He's really bad at basketball right now, sure he's young and athletic, so I guess there's potential. Way more often than not he won't be in the league in 4 years so he's a hard pass.

We’re a risk averse franchise

Are we?

Drafted Bruno Caboclo at 20 who was a massive project. Drafted OG who had injury concerns at 23. Drafted Siakam at 27 who was way off the board. Traded Demar, a 1st, and Yak for Kawhi which was one of the biggest risks in franchise history. Held onto Lowry at the deadline which was a risk to lose him for nothing. Took Barnes which was the "off the board" pick.

Drafting anyone down at the bottom of the 1st round isn’t risky imo. Especially the OG pick (he was a projected lotto pick most of the year).

The Kawhi trade is no risk at all. Demar was clearly flawed, it was obvious a core with him as the top guy wasn’t going to get it done. We trade him and only one of our prospects in Poeltl (at the time people were speculating one of Siakam or OG was going to have to get moved but we didn’t even have to do that). If the trade works then great, if it doesn’t then we’re off Demar’s contract and move on to the next phase of the retool.

We had already built a sold supporting group, trading a top 30 guy for a top 5 to see if it works was smart(if not you rebuild after getting embarrassed for years by the cavs and wizards that one year). We were up against the wall, Masai had to do it and see if it could work, that’s not risk.

[YogurtProducer]

We’re a risk averse franchise

Are we?

Drafted Bruno Caboclo at 20 who was a massive project. Drafted OG who had injury concerns at 23. Drafted Siakam at 27 who was way off the board. Traded Demar, a 1st, and Yak for Kawhi which was one of the biggest risks in franchise history. Held onto Lowry at the deadline which was a risk to lose him for nothing. Took Barnes which was the "off the board" pick.

Drafting anyone down at the bottom of the 1st round isn’t risky imo. Especially the OG pick (he was a projected lotto pick most of the year).

The Kawhi trade is no risk at all. Demar was clearly flawed, it was obvious a core with him as the top guy wasn’t going to get it done. We trade him and only one of our prospects in Poeltl (at the time people were speculating one of Siakam or OG was going to have to get moved but we didn’t even have to do that). If the trade works then great, if it doesn’t then we’re off Demar’s contract and move on to the next phase of the retool.

It is still a pretty big risk for a guy to make a trade for a dude, give up multiple assets, and actually have no guarantee the guy was even going to report which was a legitimate concern at the time as far as I remember. To say that is not risky is not true.

Either way, I don't think it necessarily accurate to say we are risk averse.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Bruno was something they've never attempted again. There's good risks and dumb ones. GG looks like a dumb risk because he's in that statistical range of non-NBA player.

We're too far away from the high school era where that risk/reward concept had more merit. Late draft hits no longer look like that. Hits outside the lottery are almost all upperclassmen (productive) NCAA players or from outside the NCAA.

I'd probably pass on Jones, although I do like him as a player. I just think he's not much of a scorer and the upside isn't there for me.

[OakleyDokely]

Some of the Raps best picks were because they didn't go with consensus and they weren't afraid of the backlash. There is risk in that.

Barnes wasn't a consensus pick. Suggs would be a Raptor right now if they went with consensus. They took Siakam over consensus guys like Davis and Skal as well.

The Raps are pretty unpredictable when it comes to the draft, other than they're going to draft a high character guy.

[720]

Are we?

Drafted Bruno Caboclo at 20 who was a massive project. Drafted OG who had injury concerns at 23. Drafted Siakam at 27 who was way off the board. Traded Demar, a 1st, and Yak for Kawhi which was one of the biggest risks in franchise history. Held onto Lowry at the deadline which was a risk to lose him for nothing. Took Barnes which was the "off the board" pick.

Drafting anyone down at the bottom of the 1st round isn’t risky imo. Especially the OG pick (he was a projected lotto pick most of the year).

The Kawhi trade is no risk at all. Demar was clearly flawed, it was obvious a core with him as the top guy wasn’t going to get it done. We trade him and only one of our prospects in Poeltl (at the time people were speculating one of Siakam or OG was going to have to get moved but we didn’t even have to do that). If the trade works then great, if it doesn’t then we’re off Demar’s contract and move on to the next phase of the retool.

It is still a pretty big risk for a guy to make a trade for a dude, give up multiple assets, and actually have no guarantee the guy was even going to report which was a legitimate concern at the time as far as I remember. To say that is not risky is not true.

Either way, I don't think it necessarily accurate to say we are risk averse.

It really wasn’t at all. Lol

We gave away a top 30 player (who routinely choked and embarrassed himself and this franchise in the playoffs) and a role player level prospect (not multiple picks, not a blue chip prospect like OG or Siakam) for Kawhi freaking Leonard (top 3/5 player in the league).

All 29 other teams would have done that deal.

You take the shot, if it works you come out of it with a championship. If it doesn’t work you get to move on from a big contract and a flawed player in Demar.

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Some of the Raps best picks were because they didn't go with consensus and they weren't afraid of the backlash. There is risk in that.

Barnes wasn't a consensus pick. Suggs would be a Raptor right now if they went with consensus. They took Siakam over consensus guys like Davis and Skal as well.

The Raps are pretty unpredictable when it comes to the draft, other than they're going to draft a high character guy.

Barnes was a great pick. But picking Siakam with the third last pick in the 1st round isn’t a risk.

At that range you take who you like. You’re paying the guy a million or two a year and you don’t extend him after a couple years of developing if it doesn’t work out.

[OakleyDokely]

Anyone could've trade for Kawhi but they didn't.

The risk averse option was to stick to piling up 50+ win seasons, which they would've done with Lowry/DD as the core. Masai went with the nuclear option because if Kawhi didn't work out, you're rebuilding or re-tooling.